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[Air Luigi]

Ok, I have enough... I'm not a fan of James quest, sorry. It's the first time ever that a quest crushed my nerves in difficulty terms.

 

Edited by Air Luigi, 30 November 2013 - 10:41 PM.

[Ben]

Okay, it's not that hard.

 

But it's up to you if you don't like it and want to rate a zero.

[Air Luigi]

Don't get me wrong. I was liking this quest a lot until level 6, but your enemies are awful >.> They aren't fair. The quest is beatable, but fighting this kind of enemies is unfair and boring. Maybe fans of "pure challenging quests" will find this game worthwile. Do you really think that these enemies are good? I don't find these enemies in ALTTP.

The real problem is the lack of shorcuts in the dungeons, that makes the quest tedious.

[Ben]

...this is not Link to the Past in ZC. It's similar in many ways, but it's still not A Link to the Past.

[Shane]

I don't know what equipment you have, but if it's hard wouldn't you think you need to get better equipment and more health? Again, this is just a assumption/suggestion.

 

BTW started this quest, I just finished the second dungeon of the game.

Edited by Shane, 30 November 2013 - 11:06 PM.

[Air Luigi]

My review:

 

Spoiler

I have full faith in Evan and Moosh, so I started this quest with good expectations.

The overworld design has lots of bland screens, and feels rushed and uninspired overall. Kakariko Village is only a bunch of useless npcs. It wasn't the best way to start a quest. Hooking the players at the start is very important. The Light World dungeons are short and easy, but the scripted enemies from ALTTP were interesting. The amazing music, sfxs and scripts took me to the Dark World.

In the Dark World, things started to get more interesting. The mirror is an amazing feature, and I loved finding the right spots to use it. When I understood the interaction between worlds, I started to appreciate the overworlds.

I loved how Lake Hylia is dry in the Dark World. I liked how the pyramid is in the Light World. There are many cool details.

The dungeon design improved a lot in the Dark World. Skull Woods and Ice Palace in special, were pretty amazing and nostalgic. I liked features like the real ice and the scripted enemies.

However, all the dungeons in the quest have the same flaw. There aren't shorcuts before getting the big key. This is incredibly annoying in the latest dungeons, when the difficulty reach to the peak. Prepare to traverse lots of screens and be punished with every dead.

The custom enemies were bad choices in general. "Running like likes"... well, like likes were always slow for something... and the shields are overpriced. Splitting and summoning overpowered enemies... Maybe others can like them, but I feel these enemies totally unfair. And they appeared in big quantities. Bosses are a mixed bag. The ALTTP throwback bosses, the Big Tektite, the Helmasaur.... are great. Others like the level 7 boss are just painful and doesn't have sense. These enemies ruined my immersion in the game.

I'm an skilled player, but at level 8, the difficulty was just dumb and I give up in this thing.

PROS:
-Music
-Sfx
-The Mirror (very well implemented)
-Skull Woods and Ice Palace were fun nostalgic dungeons.
-ALTTP nostalgia
-Enemies from ALTTP (I would have loved to see more)

CONS:
-Very slow start
-Lack of detail and secrets in screens (overworld)
-Ridiculous custom enemies. Unfair callers, running like likes, splitting enemies...
-The ZC enemies clashes with the ALTTP enemies.

Dungeon cons:
-Lots of shutters rooms.
-If you die, you will have to repeat lots of rooms (with shutters).
-Abuse of the darkness gimmick. Gets old too fast.
-Repetitive and uninspired design (after Level 5, before, was right).
-"Troll rooms" with nothing inside.
-Lots of enemies per screen.
-There are very few rooms with refilling pots, there isn't rest.

Until level 6, the quest had an ALTTP feel and was tolerable and decently balanced. But these two last levels... I don't have any fun or satisfaction beating them. The last levels don't have any resemblance with ALTTP. It's only about beating unbalanced enemies.

This quest has lot of potential, but maybe is too ambitious for his own good. Overall, I'm not satisfied with the quest, but the quest gave me some good moments until level 6 (Dark World). So for that, 3 stars. I know there are a lot of effort in this thing.

But seriously, be cautious designing dungeons (shorcuts), and rethink about your enemies. You can make a great quest next time, if you work in these flaws.

I apologize in advance for my bad english. Hope than all is understandable.

 

I hope you take my feedback into consideration, it's for your own good.

[vravelo]

and...where's the second entrance to level-6 ?? got the big key see the big trunk but, can't get any closer

thanks in advance!!

[MermaidCim]

Level 6 wasn't that tough. If any level is tough, it's the secret tunnel.

[Ventus]

I picked up the enhanced soundtrack and I'll see about starting this quest up in a few days. Seems like its going to be good.

 

(The music is awesome :3)

[Air Luigi]

I don't know what equipment you have, but if it's hard wouldn't you think you need to get better equipment and more health? Again, this is just a assumption/suggestion.

 

BTW started this quest, I just finished the second dungeon of the game.

 

Nah. As you see, I have lot of hearts, L4 sword and Blue mail. I suppose that the Red Mail is in a dungeon, so i'm very sure that I am well prepared.

 

I'm a bit masochistic today, so maybe then I'll go to try level 8. I hate to leave things halfway, It isn't my style. I have never discontinued a quest when I'm so near the end. I'm expecting flawed dungeons this time, I hope that I can deal with the enemies.

[Moosh]

Something worth noting is that a lot of enemies in this quest are strong against the sword compared to other weapons. So when you find a new enemy, always try everything available. The last two dungeons have scripted bosses, so you won't have to worry about anything as bad as levels 6 and 7's bosses.

[Air Luigi]

Something worth noting is that a lot of enemies in this quest are strong against the sword compared to other weapons. So when you find a new enemy, always try everything available. The last two dungeons have scripted bosses, so you won't have to worry about anything as bad as levels 6 and 7's bosses.

 

 

But, is there any logic about it? How can I figure the weakness (without trial and error)? The ice enemies are very obvious for example, but others...

Looks like the quest recovers his quality in level 8. And I'm glad that I give it another chance (Still, annoying enemies, but at least I feel enought powerful now and the level looks interesting).

Levels 6 and 7 needs HEAVY improvements. They are hard as balls, and that boss is just... >.> Believe me, I'm not a guy that like complaining about difficulty. Very few people would like this game with this difficulty.

Edited by Air Luigi, 01 December 2013 - 02:53 PM.

[Moosh]

But, is there any logic about it? How can I figure the weakness (without trial and error)? The ice enemies are very obvious for example, but others...

Ice and undead enemies are generally weak to fire. Some undead enemies are also apparently weak to the silver arrows, not sure how that works. Bombs are pretty effective against a lot of enemies so I've heard, but then again what isn't weak to a good old explosion logically? A lot of enemies are also weak to the boomerang in the sense that it can stunlock them. This is helpful against the new enemies in level 9. And I'm sure you knew this already, but the various bubbles you've encountered so far are weak to the magic boomerang.

[Air Luigi]

Yes, I know it. I doubt the game is beatable without the long boomerang xD

Sorry if I was annoying yesterday, these two levels crushed my nerves totally. And the level 7 boss was the cherry >.>

 

[Evan20000]

While I'm sure I hold the unpopular opinion of enjoying level 6 (laziness of the old boss notwithstanding), I agree that level 7 just outstays its welcome. Not for its difficulty for me, but the fact that 70% of the dungeon can be summed up as "Stay still while your mirror shield slowly kills the entire room for you. Emphasis on slowly." and that the boss clearly was beyond uninspired.

The bosses of levels 8 and 9 are loads better, as Moosh said.