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[Norzan]

If it is that one, then i already have it. I'm missing one and i have no clue where it is. This is one of the things that i hate when it happens to me in any zelda game, missing a single piece of heart and having no clue where it is.

Edited by Norzan, 05 December 2015 - 10:29 PM.

[Evan20000]

If I had any degree of foresight, I would have made some sort of completion map marker thingy that opens up during the postgame.

[KingPridenia]

How do you dodge the final boss AOE attack? The one that sends a wave of energy everywhere.

 

 

Edit: Nevermid. You are supposed to hit him with the sword to stop him from charging.

 

Does the Hookshot exploit work against that (you normally can't be hit by anything while the Hookshot is being fired, although some scripted attacks can ignore it)? I know it works on Stan's "Murder Beam", but not so sure about that. And IIRC, one sword hit or two beams do it. Kind of nice the beams never go away, although they're only half (?) damage.

[Bill Nye the Russian Spy]

From the start screen of Southern Remdra, I'm guessing.

That's right - how did I mess that up? Fixed.

@RedmageAdam: It doesn't ignore the invincibility, to my knowledge, but it lasts too long for that to work.

Edited by Bill Nye the Russian Spy, 05 December 2015 - 11:29 PM.

[Norzan]

Searched through the whole overworld twice and didn't find the heart piece. Also, i can't beat the boss rush.

[Bill Nye the Russian Spy]

Do you have all the Pieces mentioned in the other walkthrough? It's missing three, two of which were identified while I was drawing up my own guide (so try going back a few pages in this thread).

As for the Boss Rush: most of the bosses will crumble to the Cane. In particular, don't be afraid to bum-rush the second and sixth bosses with it. Also, the Sphere can one-shot the fourth boss and expose Medusa, so take advantage of that. Finally, it's made somewhat easier by the fact that

Spoiler

Venser and Lumen

aren't in it, so don't give up.

Edited by Bill Nye the Russian Spy, 06 December 2015 - 11:56 AM.

[Deedee]

I don't get why Venser and Lumen aren't in it. Maybe I want to refight those versons of the bosses? Hell, Lumen isn't even re-fightable!

[Evan20000]

They already got their rematches in the main game.
 

Does the Hookshot exploit work against that (you normally can't be hit by anything while the Hookshot is being fired, although some scripted attacks can ignore it)? I know it works on Stan's "Murder Beam", but not so sure about that. And IIRC, one sword hit or two beams do it. Kind of nice the beams never go away, although they're only half (?) damage.

Yes, it does avoid it, but the boss has a creative way of swindling you if you do. You have to time it perfectly so that you avoid the death rainbow AND the glyph that immediately follows. Still possible, but much harder than just avoiding one or the other.

[Norzan]

Still can't find the heart piece and can't beat the boss rush. I pretty much give up now and not gonna even bother with the Blighted Abyss.

[Evan20000]

Fair enough. Congrats on finishing the main game!

[Bill Nye the Russian Spy]

I don't get why Venser and Lumen aren't in it. Maybe I want to refight those versons of the bosses? Hell, Lumen isn't even re-fightable!

I always figured it was because the Hall of Memories doesn't recreate sapient (EDIT: and non-undead) beings for ethical reasons, but Evan's explanation also works.

Edited by Bill Nye the Russian Spy, 06 December 2015 - 02:58 PM.

[Russ]

That's a pretty good theory, but it runs into a pretty big problem. Molderm is sapient. For further reading, please confront the short drama, A Hug for Moldorm:

Spoiler

As night began to wrap it's cold fingers across the grey sky, Derm stared up at the last filtered rays of daylight. A single tear traced its way down his cheek, lost among the myriad of raindrops coursing down him. How? How had it come to this? He was cold. He was lonely. He was scared.
***
"DERM!" Dad's shrill voice rang out through the den. No, not tonight. Not again. The bruises from last time hadn't healed yet. The smashing of glass came from the next room. He'd been drinking again. Derm shut himself in the closet, trying to hide as far back in the corner as he could. Oh god, please, not again.
***
Derm shut his eyes, trying to shift his focus to the sound of the rain falling around him. He couldn't keep going like this. He couldn't remain a slave to his memories. But how could he forget. The scars he wore served as a constant reminder. A reminder to stay vigilant. What if he came back? What if he were here right now? What if he were hiding in the shadows, waiting to lash out!?
Get a grip on yourself! Yes, that was right. Dad was dead. He had to be. He couldn't be here now. Not now, not ever...
***
"Mom, where are you going? Mom?"
"Far away."
As she slithered her way to the door, Derm ran after her. "Wait, Mom, don't go! Mom, please! I'm scared! What about Dad?" But his cries fell on deaf ears. She was gone. Derm stood at the doorway for an hour, as if she might turn around and come back to him if he simply waited. But nothing came back through that doorway. Nothing but emptiness.
***
"Mom..." He found himself whispering aloud. He missed her. He missed her so much. Back in the good days, back before Father started drinking, when she would wrap her body around his, tenderly embracing him. How he missed those days. He would do anything to get them back. "Mom... please..."
***
"Dad, no, stop it!" Derm's vision was blurry, his screams weak. He tried to move away, but the pain was too great. Another flash of color erupted into being in front of him; he was only vaguely aware of the cracking noise coming from his skull. He stumbled to the ground, gasping for breath. Something had rolled up against him. A broken beer bottle.
Dad was standing above him now. Reading for another strike. Somewhere, deep down inside, some primal instinct kicked in. Derm grabbed the broken bottle, and, only half-aware of what was he was doing, struck forward. There was a moment of stunned silence. Again. The bottle thrust its way through skin. Again. The glass was cracked as it pushed in. AGAIN! Crimson blood was dripping down the sides of the bottle.
Derm could only stare in horror at the site before him for a few moments before his vision blackened out. A pool of blood was forming around the body. But all he could think was "I'm safe."
***
But that wasn't true. Derm knew he wasn't safe. He could never be safe. Dad was out there right now. Lurking in the shadows, waiting for the right moment to strike. Any moment now, he'd leap out at him, and the endless torment would begin anew.
No, Dad is dead. I killed him. But Derm knew that wasn't true. Dad couldn't be dead. He wouldn't die. He wouldn't stop. Derm could never be free of that monster. Nothing could save him. He was alone, cold, frightened. "Mom... please..."
The door creaked open behind him. Derm turned, straining to face the figure. The daylight's final rays of light were illuminating the figure of a young man in green. But Derm's eyes saw no such figure. For there was his mother, standing in the doorway. Come to save him from Dad. "Mom..."
He rushed forward, anticipating the warmth of her embrace. "Mom... you came back..." Nothing else mattered in that moment. All that mattered was she was here now. He couldn't wait. He wanted to tell her how much he missed her. How much he loved her. How happy he was to know she cared for him. But first, he wanted to hug her. To hug her tighter than he ever had before.
An overwhelming peace came over him. This was the end. Dad couldn't hurt him anymore. Nothing would ever hurt him again. His endless suffering was coming to an end. He couldn't be any happier if he tried. It was all going to be over...

(This is why you don't make jokes about Moldorm hugging you while you're streaming. I will take any opportunity to be horrible.)

[Norzan]

Disregard my last post. Decided to give the boss rush another try and beat it. Barely though. I had to heal myself with heart drops from the ghinis that are summoned by the Medusa boss. That meant a good 5 to 10 minutes just running around killing ghinis with the portal sphere.

 

I might try the Blighted Abyss after all. Still haven't found the last heart piece though.

[Russ]

That meant a good 5 to 10 minutes just running around killing ghinis with the portal sphere.

I think dodging Medusa for 10 minutes while grinding for health is more impressive than just flat out killing her. Congrats!

Good luck with Blighted Abyss! You'll need it. if you ever do find that last heart piece, there's a new bonus boss to fight if you return to the boss rematch arena and walk left. The reward helps a bit with Blighted Abyss's boss, though Blighted Abyss's boss's reward helps a lot with this boss too, so it's a trade off. Most people find the boss arena one easier, but I think it's up to personal preference.

[Norzan]

Wait, i need all 30 hearts to fight the new bonus boss? I'm so screwed because i can't honestly find the heart piece. Welp, time to search the entire overworld, again.