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[bull]

Have you already gotten the one in the upper right of F1 in the room full of spikes and the invisible chest?

Spoiler

There's a room with a lens symbol in the upper right of F1. You can walk through one of the tapestry thingies on the wall to the north. Inside is a spiky floor, and you need to hit an invisible moving torch in the left wall to reveal the chest.

yes got this one
(sorry i dont know how to post a screenshot and for my bad english)
the one i want is in the screenshot of the post 87. I'm stuck at the same place.i presume that the next step will to find the wallet and then the red candle.
Thanks.

[Evan20000]

You have to go around for that one. Once you've opened up the bridge area on B1 to go to the northern section of the dungeon, you can explore that section to find the key relatively quickly if you hit the trigger from the other side.

[Air Luigi]

I don't like how theres no direction in this quest xD

 

Funny. I think the overworld is pretty easy to navigate and is always clear where to go, is a matter of using the appropriate items. Directions kills quests, IMO. Part of my dislike with the second half of this quest, is that there isn't much to explore after L6-L7

Edited by Air Luigi, 22 February 2014 - 06:12 PM.

[Air Luigi]

I arrived to the boss in level 10.

Various suggestions:
*The metal pols voice should receive damage in the air. Or at least reduce the jump frequency. Damage those things with the wand is a luck question.
*Don't you think that Castlevania music doesn't fit well this level? For a techno level, it's a bit strange. I'm a lover of Castlevania music, but here is a bit out of place.
*I have a bit of slowdown with the fire, maybe you can improve the script. Nothing unplayable, but a bit annoying.

I enjoyed this level a bit more than 8-9, probably by his unique theme. Great design, but is too convoluted. I'm glad you use at last a clear palette in this level, the previous levels depressed me a lot.

[Moosh]

*I have a bit of slowdown with the fire, maybe you can improve the script. Nothing unplayable, but a bit annoying.

There are a lot of scripts in this quest that cause slowdown but apparently can't be optimized any further. So the only real solution is to get a better computer apparently. Chances are if you're getting slowdown from this script, the final battle will be crazy slow for you too.

[Air Luigi]

The desert area was pretty fun! The best minidungeon in the game, IMO. I'm starting to recover the faith after the weird but interesting Level 10. I arrived to Level 11.

 

Probably Prismatic Gate wasn't that bad... but 2-3 hours in that level with gray, gray, gray... is very tiresome. Maybe can you improve the pallette to do level 9 a bit more better to the eyes?

 

I hope the quest will finish strong and with good taste. Man, I had a lot of fun with this thing in the first 15 hours, it's a great quest, with his flaws and shortcomings. I was expecting too much, sorry to be annoying the past days.

Edited by Air Luigi, 22 February 2014 - 11:57 PM.

[Moosh]

So I'm going to strongly advise you against doing the bonus dungeon, Air Luigi. It seems like your opinions of quests as a whole are most influenced by whatever dungeon you played last and judging by your feedback on levels 8 and 9, I don't think you'd enjoy IoR's bonus dungeon. It would be a shame if your opinions of the quest were forever soured because you finished it on a bad note.

[Air Luigi]

Lol, I'm not that bad =( I know the bonus dungeon was prepared to be annoying, so don't worry. I will try it, but if I don't like the bonus dungeon I won't judge the entire quest by that, lol. I will see the ending before trying that inferno... My real main gripe is Sunken Basin and the overworld.

Edited by Air Luigi, 23 February 2014 - 12:14 AM.

[HylianGlaceon]

So my thoughts on the Post-Level 9 main levels. 

 

Dunno if spoiler tags matter anymore, but I figured it was best to do it.

 

Level 10

So the gimmick of this place are those moving pads that were used in the RBY generation of pokemon games. At first it was really cool to see them, but after having most of the dungeon filled with them, it made it extremely difficult to get anywhere or even remember how to get to a certain spot. Honestly they were a bit overused and weren't really needed to cover most of the place. It made me rely more on the spacebar map than I should have because it was extremely difficult to remember what goes where. The other gimmick of this place were the Oil rooms which catch on fire if the Metal Pols Voice comes by, the fire torrents on the wall fire at you or if you light it with the Candle. The issue with the oil rooms to me is that some of them you always have to be seen and the oil catches fire and you have to wait or tank through it. (ZC lags to around 20-30 fps when lit and it takes a fairly long time for it to go out. I'm not sure how long they are supposed to stay lit on a 60fps playthrough, if they're actually tedious or not) One room is in the northeast corner on the first floor that is extremely tedious to do each time. I assumed the block was going to stay permanently down but it always required me to hit the various star switches each time to lower it to go through. Add in the confusion and how difficult it is to get there and you're looking at quite a few trips through that room. The music I felt was really good, probably my favorite track in the game, but I can't say I like the design of the place. This dungeon probably took me a good 4-6 hours to complete. I didn't pay too much attention to it and uncapped to speed up the moving pads, so not positive on the exact time. The boss of this place is fine, fairly simple where I was kinda expecting more complex after some of the ones with their crazy attack patterns.. It seems the Wand is the best tool to use on about every boss in this game.

 

On another note, the Candle enemies sometimes take multiple hits with even the Arsonist's Candle to light, is this normal or some sort of bug? The ones in Level 5 seemed to light just fine on the other hand.

 

Level 11

Now I technically started this one first and decided to go do 10 first and come back. First, Dusty Caverns was a great minidungeon with it's music and overall design. It was fairly simple, yet complex. It also gave good use to the Hammer which was also nice to see. Level 11 itself was I don't know. It kinda felt like it was missing something. The big gimmick of this place was the Red Bubbles which disable all of your items including your Sword. (Although it's quite possible to get by the Red Bubbles with a little effort) It felt as though it needed another gimmick or needed something to push the whole no items thing. The item here was the Mirror Shield and it introduced some neat puzzles with reflecting light like in Ocarina of Time. Unfortunately I can't really understand how to do them. Like the triggers I saw on the wall sometimes needed constant light and some were fine a few seconds without it as far as I can tell. Most of the puzzles didn't have a solution where you simply get light on all triggers but something else like pushing a mirror a certain way while the light was reflecting under it which didn't make total sense to me. I still don't quite understand how I solved them to this day. I'm fine with some tricky solutions, but I don't really understand the exact rules of the Mirror Shield light puzzles.

 

Anyhow, one of my negative experiences here was getting grabbed by a Gibdo and having a bubble hover over me the entire time which I had to F6 out of. I lost over 20 hearts due to that idiotic bubble. The boss of this place also spawned gibdos and it's main attacks all cause you to be jinxed so I feel it's a little cheap if it can happen there. I didn't experience it in the boss room, but I assume it's possible to happen. Like if you get grabbed by a Gibdo there where you aren't in the light, isn't that essentially instant death since you can't move and the boss jinxes you with the projectiles it fires? The whole fight with the boss I was kinda spazzy due to that. It took a few tries to finally beat it.

 

This dungeon itself wasn't tedious which was good, but I kinda feel it was missing another element or something to make it stand out like Prismatic Gate and some of the other dungeons did.

 

Level 12

So finally the twelfth dungeon. I figured it would be one of those complex ones like Prismatic Gate. It was indeed like that, but the flow was a little weird. Like it felt as though you have to switch between the two states far more times than Prismatic Gate needed. And usually for just like a small switch or too. (It's possible I could've been doing it wrong, but it wasn't exactly clear where to go unlike Prismatic Gate was the first time.) While Prismatic Gate was a bit tedious, it was quite more enjoyable since there were a bunch of mini puzzles here and there, plus enemies weren't too much of a nuisance beyond the Bombrobes and Firerobes. This one while not exactly terribly difficult with the enemies added to the tediousness to this level. Teleporting Mirrorobes? I was kinda like "Really?" Not that they're absolutely a terrible idea, but they're very tedious to deal with, especially with 5+ of them with the other enemies. We also had the return of the Charging Darknuts from Prismatic Gate. I didn't mind them there, but here they're placed in the Maze path that you have to go through quite a few times. I know it's splitting enemy behavior to respawn every time you re-enter a room, but couldn't you put something else in the Maze room that doesn't respawn? I'm not taking more time to kill 8 of them each time I need to go through that room. While it's no Level 10 in confusing and tediousness, it's fairly difficult to get to where you need to be. Prismatic Gate was like this too, but the enemies generally let you by. Here you'll be bombed by Lakitus until you just wanna Super Bomb the idiots and pushed off ledges by Mirrorobes if you don't take the time to kill them every time you need to go a certain path. There's also a certain bubble that spawns in the rotating square of giant traps that has knocked me off the ledges countless times. Another note of hatred goes out to the Windrobes who love to combo you into permanent drunkenness. Even more fun when Link decides to go left and right on the edge of the screen during it.

 

There were some neat things here, like the Sphere block puzzle which I somehow overlooked the solution for a while and the next day got it on my second attempt. There's also another ice block puzzle that was kinda neat although a tad easier than the previous ones. Atmosphere of this place was somewhat here and somewhat missing. I was kinda expecting a little bit more like Lost Isle's Sky Garden with a bit more of a world up there than strictly a dungeon that's more or less simply in the sky. The nighttime with ice idea was kinda neat, although it could've used a few more instances of it. Having it snow up there and some more ice related things would've been cool.

 

With the boss, well I didn't use the sphere and you could probably see why I felt it was unfair. I'm not really sure how the player is supposed to know to use that still. Last fight with her, the dungeon item wasn't really the key to beating her. I had 7 attempts with no luck, I go to mess around and I kill her with just the Wand.    I can't help but feel a little bad for her. I take it her original role was to be evil but was changed post expo build.

 

It took me around 6 hours to do this dungeon if you need a timeframe as well. I was kinda tired of the place by the end. Between this and 10, that's probably a good 10-12 hours there with just those two dungeons.

 

Not to end this on too much of a negative note but I also took a look at that arena with the boss refights and yeah I'm done with this officially now. This is just too crazy hard of an arena for me. Don't even wanna imagine trying that on Hero Mode. Good luck to whoever is trying that. Gonna pass on the bonus dungeon too.

[Avaro]

It's in the northern part of the overworld. You have to find something to destroy the wall (should be easy to figure out).

Jamian, I had already destroyed the wall and explored everything of the upper part of the overworld I could, with no sign of Level 4. And after some more exploring, I found a heart piece and a magic container, by tanking through some spikes without having a lens of truth that would normally be needed :0

[justin]

Any idea where I can find Level 4? Explored all parts of the world I can access and haven't found any indicators as to where to go next. I don't like how theres no direction in this quest xD

 

i also find that the quest gives little direction as to where to go next.  but funny enough, i did find that lvl4 was one of the clearest objectives in the game.  the level locations after that start getting more and more unclear, lvl7 for example, even though you are told where to go it took me probably an hour figuring out where i actually needed to go to progress.  the candle thing for lvl5 was really vague as well.

 

lvl4 is in the graveyard in the destroyed town to your left just as you enter northern part of overworld.  you'll need a key, the guy in the house next to the graveyard tells you where to find it.

[Eddy]

Finally downloaded this quest and I'M READY TO GO! YEAAAAAA! Now let's hope this turns out to be an excellent quest. Also, how many dungeons are even in this quest? I'm seeing Level 10, 11 and 12 further up in this page.

[bigboylink]

I could use some help on level 5.  I just opened the way to the central F2 area, but need a key to progress.  I'm assuming you get the hookshot in this level, but I don't yet have it.  I've backtracked through all of the rooms I've visited but can't seem to find the next key.  Tried pushing blocks, killing enemies, etc.  Are there any bomb-able walls that don't show cracks (such as in level 4)?

[Gendof]

Great quest.

But I have been wandering around L4 for hours and cannot find the lens.

Help, please!

[Evan20000]

So my thoughts on the Post-Level 9 main levels. 

 

Dunno if spoiler tags matter anymore, but I figured it was best to do it.

 

Level 10

So the gimmick of this place are those moving pads that were used in the RBY generation of pokemon games. At first it was really cool to see them, but after having most of the dungeon filled with them, it made it extremely difficult to get anywhere or even remember how to get to a certain spot. Honestly they were a bit overused and weren't really needed to cover most of the place. It made me rely more on the spacebar map than I should have because it was extremely difficult to remember what goes where. The other gimmick of this place were the Oil rooms which catch on fire if the Metal Pols Voice comes by, the fire torrents on the wall fire at you or if you light it with the Candle. The issue with the oil rooms to me is that some of them you always have to be seen and the oil catches fire and you have to wait or tank through it. (ZC lags to around 20-30 fps when lit and it takes a fairly long time for it to go out. I'm not sure how long they are supposed to stay lit on a 60fps playthrough, if they're actually tedious or not) One room is in the northeast corner on the first floor that is extremely tedious to do each time. I assumed the block was going to stay permanently down but it always required me to hit the various star switches each time to lower it to go through. Add in the confusion and how difficult it is to get there and you're looking at quite a few trips through that room. The music I felt was really good, probably my favorite track in the game, but I can't say I like the design of the place. This dungeon probably took me a good 4-6 hours to complete. I didn't pay too much attention to it and uncapped to speed up the moving pads, so not positive on the exact time. The boss of this place is fine, fairly simple where I was kinda expecting more complex after some of the ones with their crazy attack patterns.. It seems the Wand is the best tool to use on about every boss in this game.

 

On another note, the Candle enemies sometimes take multiple hits with even the Arsonist's Candle to light, is this normal or some sort of bug? The ones in Level 5 seemed to light just fine on the other hand.

 

Level 11

Now I technically started this one first and decided to go do 10 first and come back. First, Dusty Caverns was a great minidungeon with it's music and overall design. It was fairly simple, yet complex. It also gave good use to the Hammer which was also nice to see. Level 11 itself was I don't know. It kinda felt like it was missing something. The big gimmick of this place was the Red Bubbles which disable all of your items including your Sword. (Although it's quite possible to get by the Red Bubbles with a little effort) It felt as though it needed another gimmick or needed something to push the whole no items thing. The item here was the Mirror Shield and it introduced some neat puzzles with reflecting light like in Ocarina of Time. Unfortunately I can't really understand how to do them. Like the triggers I saw on the wall sometimes needed constant light and some were fine a few seconds without it as far as I can tell. Most of the puzzles didn't have a solution where you simply get light on all triggers but something else like pushing a mirror a certain way while the light was reflecting under it which didn't make total sense to me. I still don't quite understand how I solved them to this day. I'm fine with some tricky solutions, but I don't really understand the exact rules of the Mirror Shield light puzzles.

 

Anyhow, one of my negative experiences here was getting grabbed by a Gibdo and having a bubble hover over me the entire time which I had to F6 out of. I lost over 20 hearts due to that idiotic bubble. The boss of this place also spawned gibdos and it's main attacks all cause you to be jinxed so I feel it's a little cheap if it can happen there. I didn't experience it in the boss room, but I assume it's possible to happen. Like if you get grabbed by a Gibdo there where you aren't in the light, isn't that essentially instant death since you can't move and the boss jinxes you with the projectiles it fires? The whole fight with the boss I was kinda spazzy due to that. It took a few tries to finally beat it.

 

This dungeon itself wasn't tedious which was good, but I kinda feel it was missing another element or something to make it stand out like Prismatic Gate and some of the other dungeons did.

 

Level 12

So finally the twelfth dungeon. I figured it would be one of those complex ones like Prismatic Gate. It was indeed like that, but the flow was a little weird. Like it felt as though you have to switch between the two states far more times than Prismatic Gate needed. And usually for just like a small switch or too. (It's possible I could've been doing it wrong, but it wasn't exactly clear where to go unlike Prismatic Gate was the first time.) While Prismatic Gate was a bit tedious, it was quite more enjoyable since there were a bunch of mini puzzles here and there, plus enemies weren't too much of a nuisance beyond the Bombrobes and Firerobes. This one while not exactly terribly difficult with the enemies added to the tediousness to this level. Teleporting Mirrorobes? I was kinda like "Really?" Not that they're absolutely a terrible idea, but they're very tedious to deal with, especially with 5+ of them with the other enemies. We also had the return of the Charging Darknuts from Prismatic Gate. I didn't mind them there, but here they're placed in the Maze path that you have to go through quite a few times. I know it's splitting enemy behavior to respawn every time you re-enter a room, but couldn't you put something else in the Maze room that doesn't respawn? I'm not taking more time to kill 8 of them each time I need to go through that room. While it's no Level 10 in confusing and tediousness, it's fairly difficult to get to where you need to be. Prismatic Gate was like this too, but the enemies generally let you by. Here you'll be bombed by Lakitus until you just wanna Super Bomb the idiots and pushed off ledges by Mirrorobes if you don't take the time to kill them every time you need to go a certain path. There's also a certain bubble that spawns in the rotating square of giant traps that has knocked me off the ledges countless times. Another note of hatred goes out to the Windrobes who love to combo you into permanent drunkenness. Even more fun when Link decides to go left and right on the edge of the screen during it.

 

There were some neat things here, like the Sphere block puzzle which I somehow overlooked the solution for a while and the next day got it on my second attempt. There's also another ice block puzzle that was kinda neat although a tad easier than the previous ones. Atmosphere of this place was somewhat here and somewhat missing. I was kinda expecting a little bit more like Lost Isle's Sky Garden with a bit more of a world up there than strictly a dungeon that's more or less simply in the sky. The nighttime with ice idea was kinda neat, although it could've used a few more instances of it. Having it snow up there and some more ice related things would've been cool.

 

With the boss, well I didn't use the sphere and you could probably see why I felt it was unfair. I'm not really sure how the player is supposed to know to use that still. Last fight with her, the dungeon item wasn't really the key to beating her. I had 7 attempts with no luck, I go to mess around and I kill her with just the Wand.    I can't help but feel a little bad for her. I take it her original role was to be evil but was changed post expo build.

 

It took me around 6 hours to do this dungeon if you need a timeframe as well. I was kinda tired of the place by the end. Between this and 10, that's probably a good 10-12 hours there with just those two dungeons.

 

Not to end this on too much of a negative note but I also took a look at that arena with the boss refights and yeah I'm done with this officially now. This is just too crazy hard of an arena for me. Don't even wanna imagine trying that on Hero Mode. Good luck to whoever is trying that. Gonna pass on the bonus dungeon too.

I really appreciate you taking the time to type all of this out. Regarding the 12th boss, the hint was in the red text of both the dungeon item pickup string and the text in the boss fight. You also would be outright told what you had to do if you went to the boss hint shop, but at the time that is currently broken, so I understand your frustration. I'm planning on fixing that in the next (and hopefully final) build.

 

As for the 11th boss, the lights moving around the room can free you if you get grabbed. Additionally, there's a bit of a cooldown between a boss-jinx ending and the next one starting. If you're finding there's not, please try and recreate it for me as it's likely a bug. Same with the windrobes, too.