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#1 FireStorm

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 08:23 PM

Okay, I have recently heard two bits of information that have infuriated me...the American Criminal Liberties Union (I mean Civil) has chosen to go after things like the Boy Scouts and churches around Christmas time (I'm not 100% positive if they're behind the San Diego cross incident, but it's either them or goons like them) for no better reason at all than that they might contain religious innuendo, if you will. The ACLU wants the government to stop supporting the Boy Scouts because their oath has the word God in it. That's it! God! One word! So an institution that has been around for decades is under fire because some jerks in California don't like God and religion.

Another example is from San Diego. Atop Mount Soledad there can be seen a majestic cross that has been there for decades as part of a memorial of some sort. Now some want it removed because of its religious implications. How stupid is this?

But the Christmas one may be worse. Shops and stores are under pressure to be politically correct and say "Happy Holidays" instead of Merry Christmas to accomodate every 500 religions in America, including Islam... And nativity scenes at revered churches are under fire (not literal fire, at least not yet, anyway) because they show God and Christ. I am so tired of everybody making a big deal out of nativity scenes and Christ, the reason behind Christmas, while everybody remains silent on the growing number of Islamic and Buddhist temples going up. The Muslims bombed us on 9/11, yet no one from the ACLU wants to have their "Christmas" (or whatever the heck else they celebrate) memorabilia removed.

Please don't mistake the intent of this topic; it is not an attempt to smear anybody as far as liberal and conservative go...

These attacks and countless others seem illogical and unfair. They are always pointed at God and Christ, and never at Allah or Buddha. It is always the Bibles that are being removed from schools, but NO, we wouldn't dare remove the Korans. icon_aggravated.gif icon_evil.gif

And how about that teacher who used the Declaration of Independence in his classroom, yet was persecuted for using it because of its mentioning of God and a Creator and so forth. What kind of country is this where we can't even use an important document in our history lessons?

And some of these same nuts buy into the moral relativist garbage that says one cannot impose their views on others, and what's that key word? Tolerance. Yet what are they doing? They are imposing their viewpoints on the God-fearers by saying we cannot have God in school. If you believe in moral relativism, I call you to arms. Defend your beliefs here.

I am just upset at these attacks because they don't seem logical, constituional, or for the good of America. How does this better serve the public? Oh, can't have that cross there. Yay, now my taxes are lower! Yippee! The ACLU should be going into inner cities and examining the horrible schools and terrible conditions all around. Yet as far as I know they have not done so.

I am a religious, God-fearing American Christian, and I am getting fed up with these ridiculous attacks that are based around the ACLU's secular humanist viewpoints. I am going to be a leader one day, fighting against such ridiculous things. I will fight back for America.

And for the record, the seperation of church and state does not mean the word God can never appear in the Pledge of Allegiance. I am no politician, but I know of people who believe in God but do not go to church. The seperation of church and state was made to keep situations like Rome's Catholic control over Europe in mind, not the mentioning of God or the display of the Ten Commandments.

I think these nuts have gone too far, and they are not working for the good of Americans. I guarantee you, the majority of Americans would not have a problem with crosses and God and the Ten Commandments. I GUARANTEE it. The ACLU is supposed to help Americans...They are helping America to an early grave. The Founding Fathers would be appalled at their atrocious actions...

#2 OMEG

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 08:44 PM

Allah is God. :P It's just how people over in the middle-east say it. I hate how media tries to make it seem like they're two different things..

But yeah, these people suck. I'm probably just going to Japan in ten years or so, because I really don't want to live here in the US anymore.

#3 Mad Dog

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 08:54 PM

Allah and God are not one and the same. At first glance, they appear to be so, but no, they aren't.

And yeah, I find these same attacks absolutely disgusting. How much do want to bet that these same people probably have necklaces with crosses on them?

The next thing you know, math classes will be under attack for using +.

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 09:03 PM

Oh, I thought they were considered "people of the book", just like Jews.. eh, I need to get into researching the Muslim religion.

America was founded by people who were Christian (I...think, feel free to shoot me for sleeping through History) but they obviously didn't mind people not being Christian. (/whatever they were)

It makes me sick to see America just turning into nothing but the media. They want people to be soulless robots and to get money from them.

#5 Mad Dog

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 09:06 PM

Sorry, OMEG, one more correction. They were a lot harder on non-Christians then than they are now. Unjustified, but harder on them.

ie: the famous sermon Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.

I would like to take the time to formally apologise for the man who wrote this sermon. True Christianity does not promote such anger.

#6 Anthus

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 09:36 PM

I'm glad they are cracking down! We need to get rid of all of these things out in the open. I don't want to go outside and have a bibble shoved down my throat. You have the right to practive any religion, whatever, but you do not need to "advertise" it, especially if you don't care. I never ever said the line including God in the pledge of Alliegance... I always left it out...

I wish we could keep something as trivial as religion confined to those who wish to practice it, and leave those who don't care out. Look at it this way. I don't want to see the 10 commandments in front of you country's capital... But I doubt you would like to see a flaming cross staue there either... or a pentagram, or somehting from another religious book...

Again just becuase a certain religion doesn't get its way, it must cry about it. As far as I'm concerned, they should say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas"... Christians wouldn't like it if holliday signs said something else like "Happy Hanukha", or something like that...

I also think that it is stupid that people can't believe what they want without being atacked for it... whats happneing here? But hey. I'll admit, I'm not helping, but I'm sick and tired of having the bibble shoved down my throat!

So... for the most part, I (try) ignore it...

#7 Mad Dog

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 09:42 PM

Umm... well I for one wish to walk outside my dorr wearing a cross necklace and holding my Bible without being reprimanded. Just as you don't want Christianity forced on you, I will fight to the death to keep Atheism from being forced on anyone.

And for those who will accuse me of being a Christian who threatens with violence: Fighting is not only done in the ring, it can also be done in the courtrooms.

And I have never heard of any Christians having problems with "Happy Hannukah."

And you said that just because a certain belief does not get it's way, it must cry about it. What the heck do you think you are doing? Your faith (or lack thereof) is not being followed, and you are thus complaining about it.

Edited by Hapkido Master, 30 July 2005 - 09:46 PM.


#8 Ben

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 09:46 PM

It's all to make stupid people who like causing huge problems and headaches feel better. I hate it. Stop bashing us when our whole belief is about spreading it to you. If you don't like it, we're not going to stop. And so far, I see no laws preventing us from doing what our beliefs may ask us to do.

#9 Jaivaz

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 09:47 PM

Just to clear up any thoughts that the founding fathers were Christians.. They were all either Deists or FreeMasons... Though a few were Christians.

I don't really care about what they do to the crosses or those stupid 10 commandments. The only thing I care about is myself and my life. Instead of getting rid of all these torture-t's we should take all Jehovah Witnesses and lock them in prison. I hate them with a full heart.

And don't start whining about not being able to pray. You guys can pray to whatever gods you have on your own time. We don't want to hear your prayers and ****.

Also, Allah is the same god as the ones Christian worship. Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Catholics all worship the same god. Like it or not, that's the truth. And, also, Buddhists don't worship Buddha.. before anybody says that they do.

EDIT: Let me show you what your "duty" sounds to people who don't care:

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Et al.

EDIT2: A Muslim's belief tells them that if they kill infidels they get to heaven. The more they kill, the better they are in the eyes of their gods. With your logic they should have the right to kill Atheists, Christians, Catholics, and everyone else who isn't Muslim. That is, after all, what their belief system ASKS them to do.

Edited by Jaivaz, 30 July 2005 - 09:52 PM.


#10 Anthus

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 09:54 PM

If your talking to me then I will tell you flat out that I will ignore all of this "pressing". You people are so hypocritical. If you saw the things I mentioned before in front of the white house, you would try to get rid of it icon_shrug.gif

Quit trying to spread your lies!!!

I am sick of people telling me all this crap about something I don't worship, believe in, or even care about... I will ignore all of these lies, so your pressing is all in vain! But go ahead and have fun trying to change me. I really enjoy proving people wrong. icon_biggrin.gif

This is what I mean... something as subjective as religion can't even be talked about... Honestly, I think it should all be kept private... No religious content from any religion or creed should apply to any form government... That is why these "morals" are all ****ed up...They are not my "practicle Christain morals" so **** them! I won't listen to them...

#11 Mad Dog

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 09:55 PM

QUOTE(Jaivaz @ Jul 30 2005, 08:47 PM)
Also, Allah is the same god as the ones Christian worship. Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Catholics all worship the same god. Like it or not, that's the truth. And, also, Buddhists don't worship Buddha.. before anybody says that they do.

Exactly how many Christians (and that includes Catholics) and Jews have you seen in public with dynamite strapped onto them?

And Catholics worship the Virgin Mary first. Last time I checked, she wasn't God.

#12 Ben

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 09:58 PM

I've had enough of this bashing --- if all you do on PureZC is bash religious or political or any kind of affiliations, leave PZC entirely and do not come back. We do NOT want to hear it.


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