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[Light_Warrior]

My dreams usually start while I'm still awake, and as I fall deeper asleep, the dream becomes less realistic. Its strange, because I can still hear what is being said in the waking world, and technically, I'm still awake. I can also alter what occurs in these dreams, usually playing the same part over and over again, but everything I change makes the ending worse...

And then there are the dreams that start when I'm about to wake up, but they are usually nightmares, like exploding ducks...

And all of te things that CastChaos said earlier work too

[Nerd-Man]

Bonegolem - Don't be so cranky.

Sharon Daniel - I don't think that was sarcasm... well, you probably shouldn't say whether someone's opinion is utterly true or distrue. Due to the rules of logic, it is impossible to prove that something is right or wrong.

Keeping dream journals help a lot, like, very much.
They really improve dream recall.

Or... as my theory on dreams goes... the dream world is structured so humans forget it easily!

[Takuya]

You may just not be getting enough sleep. The most plausible theory of dreams indicates that the body dreams in REM sleep, the so called Stage 5 of sleeping. Stage 1-4 are non REM (Rapid Eye Movement), and they comprise about 75-80% of all sleep. REM sleep is only for about 2 hours, and rememberable dreams last for even less. It may be that you just need more sleep. Also, drugs such as alcohol supress certain sleep phases, so don't do drugs and expect a good night's sleep. The cycle of sleeping and waking goes in turns, so about 90-110 minutes of non REM / REM and then back to non REM / REM, etc. until you awake.

An important thing to remember is sleep patterns can be affected by lifestyle changes! My best advice for you is to be healthy, eat right, don't do drugs, and get enough sleep time in. (Teens need about 9.5, older people need about 7-8 )

Edited by Takuya, 19 June 2007 - 08:04 PM.

[CastChaos]

Due to the rules of logic, it is impossible to prove that something is right or wrong.

It's not the rules of logic... logic isn't coded in the universe, it was made up by humans through ignorance. The more you know the more existing but not logical things you find. Proving comes down from logic, so, same story. If you want to know the part of the truth, use emotions. You can't know the full truth, though. Every being has access to only a pat of the big Truth. It's similar like looking up to a column. No matter where are you looking at from, you see only one part of it. Of course you can walk around it, but you would still see only one part at a time. To make the comparison valid, the Truth is a gigantic column with hard to read letters and signs, plus the are near it is fenced, so hard to walk around.

One philosopher said that logic applies only for very simple material things and phisycal laws. The more we go into the direction of spiritual things, the less it works. Well, I think almost everything is somewhat spiritual... Furthermore, see Herakleitos and Hegel.

Oh, and the thing I wanted to say with it: dreams, "ghosts through mirrors" and such are far out from the territory of ignorancelogic.

[Limzo]

It's not the rules of logic... logic isn't coded in the universe, it was made up by humans through ignorance. The more you know the more existing but not logical things you find. Proving comes down from logic, so, same story. If you want to know the part of the truth, use emotions. You can't know the full truth, though. Every being has access to only a pat of the big Truth. It's similar like looking up to a column. No matter where are you looking at from, you see only one part of it. Of course you can walk around it, but you would still see only one part at a time. To make the comparison valid, the Truth is a gigantic column with hard to read letters and signs, plus the are near it is fenced, so hard to walk around.

One philosopher said that logic applies only for very simple material things and phisycal laws. The more we go into the direction of spiritual things, the less it works. Well, I think almost everything is somewhat spiritual... Furthermore, see Herakleitos and Hegel.

Oh, and the thing I wanted to say with it: dreams, "ghosts through mirrors" and such are far out from the territory of ignorancelogic.

So anyway, how does a thing I do at church help me to have dreams?

[CastChaos]

So anyway, how does a thing I do at church help me to have dreams?

?????????

What do you mean????

You ask how does praying help you dream? I never realized such thing that religion has anything to do with what dreams you have. Not better than anything else life experience.
My religious grandmother almost always dreams what happens next day, but my mother is religious too, however she almost never remembers her dreams.


Oh, yes, NineLives, now I remember that nor my mother, neither my grandfather usually remembers their dreams. So, it's not a so so so rare experience.

[Limzo]

Well, you said that doing an important spiritual thing would help Ninelives to dream, so...

[CastChaos]

Well, you said that doing an important spiritual thing would help Ninelives to dream, so...

Oh, you refer to going to church regularly is an "important spiritual thing". No, no, I referred to something else. I referred to NineLives can have something important task to do in life not neccessarily for others, rather for himself.
Example: He is a mountain climber and his father was also a mountain climber who died on Mount Everest. In this case, NineLives' important spiritual deed is to climb the Mount Everest to the top, mount a flag there and come back alive.
Since I'm not religious (but never would deny the power of faith or prayer) when I say "spiritual", it means either the very essence of a human's soul (without any godly being being there) or Wizardry itself (occult things, etc.).

[Limzo]

Oh, you refer to going to church regularly is an "important spiritual thing". No, no, I referred to something else. I referred to NineLives can have something important task to do in life not neccessarily for others, rather for himself.
Example: He is a mountain climber and his father was also a mountain climber who died on Mount Everest. In this case, NineLives' important spiritual deed is to climb the Mount Everest to the top, mount a flag there and come back alive.
Since I'm not religious (but never would deny the power of faith or prayer) when I say "spiritual", it means either the very essence of a human's soul (without any godly being being there) or Wizardry itself (occult things, etc.).

Oh, now I understand. "Spiritual" isn't a word I use often, so I often confuse it's meaning.

[Red Phazon]

The only time I dream, or know that I dream is after waking up at some point and going back to sleep. That usually gets a dream going. Otherwise I don't even have a slight feeling that I've had a dream after waking up in the morning, just that I've been away for a few hours. I also can't really control what I'm doing in my dreams or even see or think super clearly. Guess I'm a really deep sleeper.

About your logic and spiritual idea now Castchaos. Do you think it's possible that everything is logical, but just so complicated that we humans can't figure it all out (or at least not yet)? If a prehistoric man or someone from a couple thousand years ago was given a computer or something else he wouldn't understand it. Ok, well that's not at all a very good example, but maybe you understand. What I mean is, what if we just don't have any way to see any logic in what's going on yet? Just a thought. I do like your ideas and thoughts though, very interesting.

[CastChaos]

About your logic and spiritual idea now Castchaos. Do you think it's possible that everything is logical, but just so complicated that we humans can't figure it all out (or at least not yet)? If a prehistoric man or someone from a couple thousand years ago was given a computer or something else he wouldn't understand it. Ok, well that's not at all a very good example, but maybe you understand. What I mean is, what if we just don't have any way to see any logic in what's going on yet? Just a thought. I do like your ideas and thoughts though, very interesting.

What I said is the further going of your thought. Nevertheless, sensible human beings shouldn't deal with "logic" because it either doesn't exist, or it the full logic is too complicated. Remember that humans aren't the centerpoint of the universe no matter what christians and modern scientists say. Humans can understand only little part of it. So, let's take that the full Truth/Logic is so insanely complicated that we don't understand it: we grow smarter, but still don't understand (but now understand more) then we grow smarter, but our knowledge is still no absolute. And this continues to eternity, we never earn full Truth/Logic. No matter what you say, there will be always exceptation, no matter what relations you find, there stil remain some illogical things. It's not possible to know the whole universe. It's like a cube: if you are on a side of it, you can understand that side fully (with extreme insane high IQ) but can't even get a little grasp of the other sides (you can tell something about the neighboring sides with being totally incorrect, but can't even speak about the opposite side). So, those whos say "Prove that!", "There isn't any provement for that.", "That can't be because that's not logical." then he/she fails. Materialists, atheists, etc. They fail. And die. The world is so complicated that everything is true, but not everything is true. You can say that there is logic, you can say that there isn't, no matter which you say, you will be partially wrong. You aren't wrong only when you say that the world isn't simple and absolutely no full logic. Or at least there are only better interpretations. So... there aren't any provement that we need provements!!!

Link75 you are good with this thinking, too. I'm happy. I was thinking just today that nobody is even close to agree me on this. But Chaos wins!

[Red Phazon]

Hmm, I do agree with you on a lot/most of your point/view. In my head my thoughts are all mixed up and I'm not good at expressing or explaining anything, so it's hard to get my thoughts out sometimes. Your idea is similar but different than what I thought of. Ok, I can't come up with anything to reply with at the moment so I'll just keep this in mind.