Need testers for Dreams of Yesterday 2013.
#31
Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:15 AM
One is right below the boss key
One is found after falling down hole on right side of 1F. Go up, right, and then down. There's a walk through wall to find another key.
#32
Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:17 AM
#33
Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:48 AM
One is just past the guy who talks about the train and switches. From there, go right and then up.
One is right below the boss key
One is found after falling down hole on right side of 1F. Go up, right, and then down. There's a walk through wall to find another key.
Thanks! pixcalibur for your help
Good News!
I always save my progress as I go on better quest that may have bugs. So I had a save from when I was in the Mines. So I used that one and finished the Mines and then went to the Train Station. I did find 5 keys before and I had used the last one on that lock block. So it did make me short a key. BUT NOW! since I went from that previous save all is well. I can finish the Train Station now.
#34
Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:55 AM
Hmm, saw some new changes in Enigma Castle. Great, that's going to throw my whole route off given I get the Relic Stone from there fairly early on. Not sure if I can find other ways to block the keys and main route and still keep the Relic Stone path open.
I can undo those, if you'd like. My rationale (I won't say it was a good one) is that you only need to kill the enemies once to get the key to open that door. Then you can just walk right by the enemies through the now-open door.
I can make them level-specific keys, so they can only be used on that floor. I don't think there are any dungeon-wide triggers that happen on one floor and make something happen on another. So it should be fine if all three floors have their own level-specific keys that only work on that floor. It's a slightly linear dungeon too, yes?
Oh, by the way, pixcalibur, in Enigma F-1, in 28:62, there's a key locked away in a chest surrounded by blocks. Do you know how to get that? Because there's absolutely no way that I can see to get it. No warp arrivals anywhere, no screen that warps to that screen, none of the blocks are walkable or pushable, they're all the same blocks, no enemies, no special screen flags, ... absolutely nothing.
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Another thing. I'm kinda stumped in Enigma (Go figure) by the key placement. From the moment you get up to the second floor, there is exactly one key available to us, yet we have two locked doors. One leads to the boss key and no regular key to replenish it, while the other door, on 28:34, lets us continue with the dungeon.
#35
Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:53 AM
It's ok to have a little exploration, even if one manages to get the Magic Book without getting the ladder, still can't finish the level since you don't have the wand, which requires the ladder to reach. 3F also requires the ladder in some rooms.
If you want to still require the ladder earlier on, can put holes at 28:24 around the 2nd row from the top, blocking the paths to the door. Getting squished only sends you back a room with a little life damage, so you won't be trapped. I don't think you'll need level-specific keys if you block up 28:24 with holes as noted above since keys and locks are still even.
28:62 - from the hint at 28:25, you have to pound the blocks with the axe multiple times, 3 in this case, to flatten the blocks. So you have two keys on 1F and one on 2F for the 3 available locks, keeping numbers even. No need for extra keys.
Capitol Port
14:5F – can remove the hole on the left. All it blocks is a bomb upgrade and a potion. One could go to 14:4F and see the holes blocking the way anyway, so no real extra value from that hole at 14:5F. Can't even access Hotel without the ladder as well.
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G'haa, sorry for the inconvenience. Again, more than happy to solve any little key dilemma, though rest assured, your diligence and tenacity is truly a treasure. ^.^
I can undo those, if you'd like. My rationale (I won't say it was a good one) is that you only need to kill the enemies once to get the key to open that door. Then you can just walk right by the enemies through the now-open door.
I can make them level-specific keys, so they can only be used on that floor. I don't think there are any dungeon-wide triggers that happen on one floor and make something happen on another. So it should be fine if all three floors have their own level-specific keys that only work on that floor. It's a slightly linear dungeon too, yes?
Oh, by the way, pixcalibur, in Enigma F-1, in 28:62, there's a key locked away in a chest surrounded by blocks. Do you know how to get that? Because there's absolutely no way that I can see to get it. No warp arrivals anywhere, no screen that warps to that screen, none of the blocks are walkable or pushable, they're all the same blocks, no enemies, no special screen flags, ... absolutely nothing.
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Another thing. I'm kinda stumped in Enigma (Go figure) by the key placement. From the moment you get up to the second floor, there is exactly one key available to us, yet we have two locked doors. One leads to the boss key and no regular key to replenish it, while the other door, on 28:34, lets us continue with the dungeon.
#36
Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:25 PM
Oh, by the way, pixcalibur, in Enigma F-1, in 28:62, there's a key locked away in a chest surrounded by blocks. Do you know how to get that? Because there's absolutely no way that I can see to get it. No warp arrivals anywhere, no screen that warps to that screen, none of the blocks are walkable or pushable, they're all the same blocks, no enemies, no special screen flags, ... absolutely nothing.
If you're referring to what I think you are, I get to that chest in part 41 of my LP. Remember where there was a clue talking about blocks that require multiple axe/hammer shots to get rid of?
#37
Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:06 PM
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I slashed a flower here fell in the hole and ended up stuck in the wall in the bottom picture. I F6 Continue and started in that same room. I hadn't been in the Crypt yet.
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This green flower has a square around it. Thought that might of meant to burn it. But, alas no.
#38
Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:16 PM
Edited by Mister Snooze, 31 January 2013 - 04:17 PM.
#39
Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:02 PM
It's ok to have a little exploration, even if one manages to get the Magic Book without getting the ladder, still can't finish the level since you don't have the wand, which requires the ladder to reach. 3F also requires the ladder in some rooms.
I'm a bit reluctant to remove the holes in Enigma for that reason. If they don't have the ladder yet, without that hole, they could go in and grab a key, find a ladder hole or something, and leave without using that key, but still have that key and accidentally use it elsewhere.
#40
Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:19 PM
int dmapLevel[] = { 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3 };
int levelKeys[numLevels+1];
int prevLevel;
global script LevelKeys
{
void run()
{
while(true)
{
Waitdraw();
DoLevelKeys();
Waitframe();
}
}
void DoLevelKeys()
{
int level=dmapLevel[Game->GetCurrDmap()];
if(level==prevLevel)
{
levelKeys[level]=Game->Counter[CR_KEYS];
}
else
{
Game->Counter[CR_KEYS]=levelKeys[level];
level=prevLevel
}
}
}
That might work. Or it might not.
#41
Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:33 PM
#42
Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:56 PM
The other keys can be blocked by ladder holes (can try holes blocking the "1" and "3" doors and one next to the key on 2F)
Unfortunately the easy sure way to prevent transfer of keys is to make them specific to each level.
Edited by pixcalibur, 31 January 2013 - 05:57 PM.
#43
Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:19 PM
Hmm, well, at this point at 28:63, the two black columns to the right are actually walkable spaces, so you can walk right around the hole and still get the key without the ladder.
So the only way to skip that room is by already having a key, and having a ladder.
Unfortunately the easy sure way to prevent transfer of keys is to make them specific to each level.
This is one of those times where I'm not 100% sure that a script can be as useful as it ought to be. If anything, we need to know why C-Dawg made those level numbers they way they are. For example, F-1 of the Volcano is level 82. F-2 is 81. F-3 is 7. (Likely due to Triforce piece #7.)
So I tell y'what. I'm going to set all Volcano floors to Level Number 7. We'll see what happens. That's our little experiment.
Until this happens, this will be an interesting couple of months, I'm sure.
Another update.
#44
Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:29 PM
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Slash some pots. You might want to change the undercombo.
#45
Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:46 PM
You can hookshot over to the headstone then go left and then up to the the main Crypt. You go there before finishing the first part of the Crypt but then you can't do much without the hammer. ! can by pass some of the Crypt after getting the hammer.
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