I don't understand. Why is this fun?
#31
Posted 18 October 2011 - 01:50 AM
#32
Posted 18 October 2011 - 02:19 AM
#33
Posted 18 October 2011 - 02:26 AM
Also, drinking in moderation doesn't "f up [your] body". Your body can handle the occasional bender - it's only when you drink so often your body doesn't have the time to get back to normal that problems arise, like liver failure. Even cocaine - that big scary drug everyone warned you about - is harmless in moderation. It has no long-term side effects, making it even LESS dangerous than alcohol in that respect (though it's much easier to overdose on it, making it riskier to take recreationally).
Edited by NoeL, 18 October 2011 - 02:28 AM.
#34
Posted 18 October 2011 - 02:59 AM
When I'm drunk I can stumble around, talk loudly, slur my words, and enjoy myself doing so. Because I no longer care. Those little things that would normally piss me off, like someone talking loudly, no longer bother me. I'm having fun.
I believe it's only fun only because your not getting annoyed. That wouldn't, in my opinion, be qualified as "fun" more like "I'm not getting annoyed". I don't understand how talking loud, slur words make you happy and have "fun" but I do understand that not being annoyed makes you happy and have "fun".
Edited by Shane, 18 October 2011 - 03:04 AM.
#35
Posted 18 October 2011 - 03:16 AM
Let me use an example you might be able to relate to: exercise. Let's say, for the sake of analogy, exhausted people are annoying - they're sweaty, they're smelly, they breathe loudly, they're hard to talk to because of the heavy breathing, etc. Now let's say you verse your friend in laser tag, or DDR, or basketball, or some activity that is both fun and exhausting. At the end of it all, you don't care that your friend is sweaty and smelly and breathing heavily, because you're having fun doing whatever fun thing you were doing. It's not fun because these things are no longer annoying, they're no longer annoying because you're having fun.
Edited by NoeL, 18 October 2011 - 03:16 AM.
#36
Posted 18 October 2011 - 03:24 AM
Wouldn't it be wiser, then, to not make such a promise until after you've experienced the effects of alcohol?
That idea may be certainly wise, I'll admit but, I'm not taking alcohol knowing it could potentially kill someone if you at the wrong time, place and people even if you drink it once, it could happen. I think promising before drinking is wise.
It's not that talking loud and slurring my words is giving me joy, they're just things that accompany the joy.
Let me use an example you might be able to relate to: exercise. Let's say, for the sake of analogy, exhausted people are annoying - they're sweaty, they're smelly, they breathe loudly, they're hard to talk to because of the heavy breathing, etc. Now let's say you verse your friend in laser tag, or DDR, or basketball, or some activity that is both fun and exhausting. At the end of it all, you don't care that your friend is sweaty and smelly and breathing heavily, because you're having fun doing whatever fun thing you were doing. It's not fun because these things are no longer annoying, they're no longer annoying because you're having fun.
Well that is pretty much a nice example but I'll still find it annoying if their breathing loudly etc. while trying to have fun because this still doesn't change the fact that you can't talk to them as said in your example.
Edited by Shane, 18 October 2011 - 03:24 AM.
#37
Posted 18 October 2011 - 03:45 AM
You're seriously worried about killing someone? Really? To me it sounds like you've bought into a lot of crazy propaganda and now have this expectation of an unreasonably high degree of risk associated with drinking alcohol. If you're in a safe environment, at home with your friends or something, you're not going to wake up covered in your best friend's blood with no recollection of the night before. The only "bad" things that will happen is you'll be a bit "laggy" and unbalanced - that's it. You'll probably be more f***ed up after spinning around ten times than you'll ever be after drinking. You're not going to turn into Mr. Hyde or something ridiculous.
Edited by NoeL, 18 October 2011 - 03:48 AM.
#38
Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:18 AM
Better safe then sorry.
With the exception of my fear with heights, yes.
Again with the exception with my fear with heights, yes.
I will drive for useful reasons and not just for the sake of just doing it such as the first two examples. But besides that yes I am scared that I might kill someone whether outside and inside the car but if I injure myself it won't be as bad as falling off a roller coaster high up or splat onto the ground if the bungee cord snapped, but this depends on the accident.
That one is a little far fetched no offense but I would rather eat then starve. And the only way I could see someone choking is if you scoff my food down as soon as there is food on the plate, in witch I don't do that, so yeah I'm not afraid of chocking.
Edited by Shane, 18 October 2011 - 04:27 AM.
#39
Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:37 AM
So is genocide, taxation, and the bagpipe. Something being old doesn't mean it's good.
As for those (mostly NoeL I think) saying "You can't knock it until you've tried it!"
I have a big problem with that argument: I've never slashed my wrists either, does that mean I'm not allowed to have an opinion over how much fun it is to do such a thing?
I have watched others get drunk/high and I have imagined myself getting drunk/high and I don't like what I see one bit. "Trying" them to see what they're like seems only slightly more intelligent than jumping in front of a bus to confirm whether or not hell exists. My problem is you're saying I should ignore my judgment on this matter because "you can't know until you've tried!"
#40
Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:34 AM
#41
Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:52 AM
I have a big problem with that argument: I've never slashed my wrists either, does that mean I'm not allowed to have an opinion over how much fun it is to do such a thing?
I have watched others get drunk/high and I have imagined myself getting drunk/high and I don't like what I see one bit. "Trying" them to see what they're like seems only slightly more intelligent than jumping in front of a bus to confirm whether or not hell exists. My problem is you're saying I should ignore my judgment on this matter because "you can't know until you've tried!"
This. I totally agree.
I feel that people who say "you CAN'T judge until you've tried it" are just making excuses for the existence of people who don't share the same tastes as them. While it's true that trying new things is sometimes good, often, dismissing people who don't want to try things you enjoy is merely a way of pretending that they "don't understand."
My sister avoids drink. Do I encourage her to try drinks now and then? Yes. She complains about the taste and not liking being "drunk," but I think with the right mild drink she can have something quite tasty, in careful moderation, and *avoid* getting drunk.
But do I PRESSURE her to do it, or say she "doesn't understand?" No. Not only is that extremely rude, but it ultimately DISCOURAGE some people from trying things because you actively are insulting their judgment.
Let me speak further on that point by replying to an earlier post of Dawnlight's....
That is, quite simply and plainly, an attempt on your cousin's part to use peer pressure to push you into doing something purely so that he (she?) could feel validated.
I get sick of this kind of peer pressure and self-validation. Everybody out there seems to feel this need to dub their favorite activities as the epitome of all things recreational, and "if they'd only try it, they'd love it too." But who is "they"? Some people are so broad in their definition of "they," that apparently the idea is that everyone in the world should share this enjoyment.
In case you don't get what I'm alluding to, I'm talking about sports fans. I have repeatedly run into people who will try to cajole me into "trying" various sports fan activities. I have "tried" countless different ones -- including Super Bowl parties, watching school football games, watching pro wrestling, and so on. I am NOT a sports fan, I never will be, and I think most people (or at least a HUGE chunk of them) who enjoy sporting events are more fans of the alcohol, junk food, loud parties, and social element. They just lump it all into the category of "sports" and convince themselves that it's the game they love most.
I'm a big geek. I go to anime conventions. I play video games. I have won at least two Soul Calibur 2 tournaments, and a couple of awards for my Link cosplay. But I don't repeatedly nag people to try anime or games (especially if they've already taken my best recommendations and didn't like them), and I DON'T hold the belief that everybody in the world would like it as much as me "if they'd only try it just once." The world's people are not all the same, and I'm fine with that.
That said, I enjoy a Mike's Hard Cranberry Lemonade or two, and a plate of parmesan garlic BBQ wings. But I'll pass on the football/pot/raves/whatever else you're trying to get me to try that I already know I won't enjoy. Peer pressure is never right if you're mostly doing it for your OWN interests and self-verification.
#42
Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:01 AM
Yes, I'm sure am worried about killing someone. Why should I drink something that could potentially kill someone and could (probably will) haunt you for the rest of your life just because you want to make a "proper judgement"? If you ask me alcohol is something you need to judge before you try it because I could see it possibly becoming a life problem. And as I said it depends if your in the wrong time, place and with the wrong people.
I would like to quote something from a friend of mine: "It's all fun and games, until someone gets hurt."
Edited by Shane, 18 October 2011 - 06:10 AM.
#43
Posted 18 October 2011 - 07:00 AM
Yes, some people get addicted. Yes, some people do stupid things. But these are the exceptions - not the rule. The people that get drunk and do stupid things are the people that would be doing stupid things even without the alcohol. The guys that get wasted and get into brawls are asshole f***wits that probably got beaten by their dad. They were messed in the head before they got on the piss. The people in this community (bar a couple) aren't those kinds of people.
Last year a new bar opened up in town - a bar for gamers, called Mana Bar. It has Xboxes, Wiis and PS3s set up, and it's a place for people very much like those at PZC to come and have a drink, play some games, and hang out. The bouncer there had previously worked at other bars in the area, and he was saying that if he had to throw less than five people out for being drunken rowdy dickheads it was a quiet night. I was talking to him about a month after Mana Bar opened, and he said he hadn't had to throw a single person out of Mana Bar since it opened. The patrons of Mana Bar - which are gamer nerds, just like the people here - aren't aggressive douchebags that cause trouble when mixed with booze. We're friendly types, and alcohol just makes us more friendly.
Now, I know most people here are way too young to drink anyway, and they should wait til they're at least 17 or so before experimenting (some people mature faster, some slower, but 17-18 is probably a fair benchmark), and again whether or not they want to try alcohol is their choice - I don't care either way. I'll I'm trying to do is dispel these ridiculous beliefs many of you seem to have. Alcohol (and drugs in general) aren't these evil scary things authorities make them out to be, but you do need to be mature and responsible if you're going to use them. If you think you're too immature to be sensible with them, then don't use them. Practically all the problems society has with substance abuse (outside of slums) are from idiots that use it without thinking, or have used it as a stress reliever and become dependent (so don't do that). If you're a sensible, responsible kid, you're not going to have any problems with alcohol.
Edited by NoeL, 18 October 2011 - 07:04 AM.
#45
Posted 18 October 2011 - 07:40 AM
I think what the authorities are trying to express about alchoholism is know your limits and don't be immature with them. For example, don't drink and drive. Just so you know, I'm not promoting Prohibition here. Like you said, some people are just flat out idiots for the misuse of alcohol. It's like playing with fire. If you don't handle it properly, you will get burned. For me, I chug down regular beverages. I drink non-alcoholic beverages excessively. This is why I avoid alcohol because I'm afraid that I will be an addict and will abuse it. Just to clear it up for you. I agree with the statement that "don't let the alcohol control you, rather you control the alcohol."
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