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[Arthas]

Our current president did possibly one of the best jobs that any president has done, and in time, people will nominate him as one of the top presidents of the united states.

99.99% unlikely.

First off, people think that this whole war in Iraq was the wrong choice. I think that it was a good choice, since the country was full of terrorists that wanted us dead.

Completely false. All 9-11 terrorists were from saudi arabia. Iraq was one of the few secular non-fundamentalist countries in the middle east. Bush simply found an excuse to finish daddy's job in iraq, by turning the country into a resource colony.

For the main point I am making, I am not congratulating Obama, but our current President, for making this one of the best 8 years in American history.

Laughable.

No offense meant but try putting in more effort when trying to pass off opinion as some kind of fact.

Edited by Arthas, 05 November 2008 - 12:38 AM.

[Lemon]

Heyyyy guys.


Let's stop getting derailed here. This thread is about the aftermath of the election, not Bush, not Socialism.

Is it to much to ask to just post funny election pictures or make a short comment of congrats/acknowledgment/acceptance?

Edited by Lemon, 05 November 2008 - 12:57 AM.

[Blue Link 2007]

Alright, fine.

First off, the whole "Finishing off what daddy started" is just flat out wrong and not even the presidents idea. It was the U.N. that wanted to go in there since Saddam Hussein was bluffing about his WMD's. There are also other countries besides ours that is in Iraq right now.

[ElLibertador]

Grats to him. Really awesome.

Sorry

Edited by LinkMystro, 05 November 2008 - 12:56 AM.

[Lemon]

Can a mod just delete the posts here that are debating and PM the members to just continue these debates in the debate room or via PM? They have no place here, and the more people who keep doing it will undoubtedly just attract others. Thanks mod.


Another impressive landmark made today was California voting yes on not banning gay marriage with California's Prop 8. I could try to get more specific about it, but it's confusing as all ****. Just google California Prop 8 and educate yourself. Hopefully other states will follow suit


CaliforniaProp8

Edited by Lemon, 05 November 2008 - 12:55 AM.

[Arthas]

Alright, fine.

First off, the whole "Finishing off what daddy started" is just flat out wrong and not even the presidents idea. It was the U.N. that wanted to go in there since Saddam Hussein was bluffing about his WMD's. There are also other countries besides ours that is in Iraq right now.

Sorry but this is blatantly false and cannot go unanswered. The UN found that the invasion of iraq was illegal and uncalled for. You may be mistaking afghanistan with iraq.

As for other countries, britain and a few token non-combat troops from various countries. 99% of troops are US.

And once again congrats to Obama.

Can a mod just delete the posts here that are debating and PM the members to just continue these debates in the debate room or via PM? They have no place here, and the more people who keep doing it will undoubtedly just attract others. Thanks mod.

Mods are asleep it seems. And if this is a celebratory thread why not state so in the title? If all were can type in here is 'congrats obama' then whats the point of a discussion thread.

Edited by Arthas, 05 November 2008 - 01:02 AM.

[Silver]

Obama has promised change, and now the American people will have to see if he will bring it to this country. He's got a lot on his plate, such as the economy, the Iraq War, immigration, education, ect. The way that he deals with these issues will be the topic of much debate and discussion during the time he's in office.

[nicklegends]

This is one of the best things that have ever happened to me. Say what you want about communism and whatever--this is positive change, and you'll know it when you see it.

[DashSim]

This is the first time I've felt proud of this country.

Well done, America.

Edited by JoshSim, 05 November 2008 - 08:48 AM.

[Mitchfork]

Mods are asleep it seems. And if this is a celebratory thread why not state so in the title? If all were can type in here is 'congrats obama' then whats the point of a discussion thread.

Well put. This is a discussion about Obama winning and what is next. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) nobody can control what people say, so just roll with it.

I'm just kind of glad it's over, to be honest. I'm tired of folks making an issue out of nothing to support their candidate. And, looking on a more personal note, this is really the first presidential race I've followed, so seeing how everything plays out will be full of political education, for better or for worse.


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[Radien]

I am very relieved. I'm sorta happy, but more relieved. I'll be happy after the inauguration. Heh, yeah, Gobama.

And as far as how Obama will govern, his background isn't socialist... it isn't black... it's international.

Many people have believed the McCain campaign when he told them "we don't know enough about Barack Obama." McCain, I feel, was trying to convince people it's Obama's fault that they haven't earnestly tried to find anything out about him. But isn't it our own responsibility to at least try to review our candidates thoroughly?

Personally, I did. Now, I didn't always think of him as the most promising candidate. But then I went out and did some research, read both his books, and carefully scrutinized his speeches and debates. And you know what? The more I found out about him, the more I liked him. Not as a Democrat... but as a person, a community organizer, a leader, and a potential President. I'm very happy to have the chance, now, to see more and more of Obama and watch him show America -- and the world -- what he stands for.

For the main point I am making, I am not congratulating Obama, but our current President, for making this one of the best 8 years in American history.

I'm sorry, Blue Link, but just a hunch... how old are you?

If nothing else, when I hear you saying that you think that these have been the best 8 years in American history, you really sound sheltered, especially from the economy. To anyone who has to go out on their own and find a job with a living wage, they quickly realize how bad it is out there. These are bad times, and they weren't terribly good before the economic crisis, either. Besides which, Bush's approval rating is so low that not even most Republicans support him anymore. There's a reason for that: we've had eight years to sort out what exactly is his fault and what isn't...what initiatives succeeded, and which didn't...and the results don't look good.

And congratulation to America for this historic win of a Black, muslim raised man. A definite sign of changing times.

I echo your congratulations, but I'm sorry, Arthas, even you've been affected a little by inaccurate rumors... Obama wasn't raised by a Muslim. His father was Muslim, but he very rarely visited his son due to complicated circumstances that led him to go back to Kenya. His mother wasn't religious, but she educated him very well, including about multiple religions; whatever he needed to know to understand the people around him.

Besides, as Colin Powell said, if it had turned out that a Muslim was running for President, so what?




For those of you who think negatively of Obama and have predicted that he will fail miserably as President, I have something I want to ask you to do:

Watch.

I don't mean sit and watch. Continue to stand for what you believe in and participate and vote, even if you don't agree. But don't stand ready to spin his every action into something negative. Be patient, take a look at your life and what's happening around you, and watch things change in one way or another. Barack Obama just gave a speech tonight vowing to stand before Republicans with a spirit of humility and cooperation, and to stand up to the same problems that both parties are worried about, such as the economic crisis and international conflict. As of tonight, he's just earned the chance to make a difference, and he deserves to be judged on his results just as much as his methods.

[Koopa]

I've only just heard the news - and I love it. Congratulations, Obama. I can't of course vote in the US but I'd have voted for him (my first choice was Hillary, but Obama a close second).

I think we're going to see the economy improve over the next four years. And if my home or job were at risk, I would prefer state intervention to being out on the street.

I won't form an opinion of whether a president is good or bad until his term has ended and I see how he handled it - but I have high hopes for Obama.

[Christian]

Well said radien. Your post is probably the most reasonable one here. Other than people shooting off negative comments towards obama. That'll show people and make them relax over the results that has taken. Think positive people.

[Majora]

oops, nevermind.

Edited by Majora, 05 November 2008 - 06:35 AM.

[Moonbread]

First off, I'd like to explain THAT communism NOR socialism ARE BAD, just depends on the person leading it. To label it like that is disrespectful, especially since Marx did not want socialism to end up like it did. The only reasons both are viewed so poorly is because the USSR, China, North Korea, etc. were bad examples of it being used.

In other news. I did not really like either candidate, but good luck to the ol' United States for whatever happens, and I do hope safety on Obama, because... yea, it's understood.