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[SpikeReynolds]

I'm no expert at scripting, so I don't have an idea whether or not it's feasible to do this. To help me, I have a couple of illustrations to show what I'm going for.

Imagine we have, say, some octorocks. Now naturally, these guys want nothing other than to chew on a nice big piece of Link. Time for the trusty wooden sword.

Now, there isn't a whole lot of killing power to a wooden sword, but octorocks are squishy, so...

Ouch! Now let's say we up the ante a little. Let's imagine link got a couple of heart containers before coming over here, and managed to get his hands on a better weapon. A sharper blade means a cleaner kill, right?

Nope! That white sword popped that octorock like a bag of hamburger. Notice the nice spray of giblets? He hit that sucker pretty hard. Now Link wants to shoot a couple of arrows at that one up top.

Eh, looks like one arrow was more than enough for that...Oh nice! that octorock dropped a bomb! Let's say we let Link have a little fun with that last one...

...to some fairly predictable effect.

What I'm trying to figure out is whether or not there is a way to script an over the top messy kill system into ZC without some huge sort of setback. Anyone with some scripting experience care to share some wisdom?

[Orithan]

It is possible to have that scripted, but I doubt that anybody's going to do it since it sounds so complicated. At least I'm not doing that. I am not into gory deaths like this.
Honestly, I don't believe that Zelda will be the same with said gore effects. Reminds me of that creepy-as-heck level from LQftH that I do not want to remeber . I, admittedly, put in blood in one of the cutscenes of Atoment of Time while I was working on it, but that was about it.

Edit: Am I sensitive to gore or are these illustrations slightly NSFW?

Edited by Orin XD, 21 July 2012 - 05:07 AM.

[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

It is possible to have that scripted, but I doubt that anybody's going to do it since it sounds so complicated. At least I'm not doing that. I am not into gory deaths like this.
Honestly, I don't believe that Zelda will be the same with said gore effects. Reminds me of that creepy-as-heck level from LQftH that I do not want to remeber . I, admittedly, put in blood in one of the cutscenes of Atoment of Time while I was working on it, but that was about it.

Edit: Am I sensitive to gore or are these illustrations slightly NSFW?

Honestly? You're way oversensitive if you find this bothersome. I look away when doctors start cutting into people in movies, but no games have been able to make guts that realistic-looking yet, and a little red color shouldn't bother anyone

As for this idea, I applaud it. Not because it's gory, but because it's new. It adds a whole new visual element to a quest, and ideas like that I think is worth striving for. I hope someone does this.

[SpikeReynolds]

Honestly, I don't believe that Zelda will be the same with said gore effects. Reminds me of that creepy-as-heck level from LQftH that I do not want to remeber icon_frown.gif. I, admittedly, put in blood in one of the cutscenes of Atoment of Time while I was working on it, but that was about it.

Go play VEL's quest 'Mario's Insane Rampage.' You'll have a heart attack.

[Orithan]

Honestly? You're way oversensitive if you find this bothersome. I look away when doctors start cutting into people in movies, but no games have been able to make guts that realistic-looking yet, and a little red color shouldn't bother anyone

As for this idea, I applaud it. Not because it's gory, but because it's new. It adds a whole new visual element to a quest, and ideas like that I think is worth striving for. I hope someone does this.

Yeah, I overracted to that. Its just that I can't stand excessive blood and gore (Halo's level I can stand, TF2 and Gears' level I can't tolerate well), swearing (ie. f***, s***, and other words like that) and innuendo.
... I was actually guessing you would respond to that comment while I was playing Metroid II just then.

Go play VEL's quest 'Mario's Insane Rampage.' You'll have a heart attack.

That's why I specifically avoid quests like that. It's not that I would have a heart attack, but more for the fact that I would never see the Mario series (or any Nintendo one for that matter) in the same way again. Same as the Link's Bad Hair Day series.

[Evan20000]

Woah, this thread pops up after we were discussing this concept on skype last night. O_O

Anyway, a game with this in it would certainly be unique, but the effectiveness of something like this depends entirely on execution.

[Sheik]

Hm. I'm not saying that it's a bad idea but I believe this unnecessarily moves away from what a Zelda game, by heart, is. Which is not "gory". I agree that it looks harmless but I don't believe it suits a Zelda game much. That is all.

[Ventus]

Now this is something I would like to see. This would make killing enemies feel quite satisfying.

Note: I don't always like blood and gore, But I would love to see something like this in ZC, I have to say though this is a nice new fresh Idea and I like this.

[MoscowModder]

This is very basic compared to what you described, but it's a start (for the gore-haters, I definitely don't plan to use this in my quest just so you know).

Note: This requires that every screen have a layer 1. As a bonus, the remains stay there when you leave the screen.

CODE

const int bloodCombo = 1;
global script messyKills{
    void run(){
        while(true){
            for(int i = Screen->NumNPCs(); i > 0; i--){
                npc enem = Screen->LoadNPC(i);
                if ( enem->HP <= 0 && GetLayerComboD(1, ComboAt(enem->X+8, enem->Y+8)) == 0 ){
                    SetLayerComboD(1, ComboAt(enem->X+8, enem->Y+8), bloodCombo);
                }
            }
            Waitframe();
        }
    }
}

[SpikeReynolds]

This is very basic compared to what you described, but it's a start (for the gore-haters, I definitely don't plan to use this in my quest just so you know).

Note: This requires that every screen have a layer 1. As a bonus, the remains stay there when you leave the screen.

CODE

const int bloodCombo = 1;
global script messyKills{
    void run(){
        while(true){
            for(int i = Screen->NumNPCs(); i > 0; i--){
                npc enem = Screen->LoadNPC(i);
                if ( enem->HP <= 0 && GetLayerComboD(1, ComboAt(enem->X+8, enem->Y+8)) == 0 ){
                    SetLayerComboD(1, ComboAt(enem->X+8, enem->Y+8), bloodCombo);
                }
            }
            Waitframe();
        }
    }
}

I'm gonna have to learn some scripting. I'd like to carry this to the level of my mockups up there. Kudos, though, for actually doing it.

Hm. I'm not saying that it's a bad idea but I believe this unnecessarily moves away from what a Zelda game, by heart, is. Which is not "gory". I agree that it looks harmless but I don't believe it suits a Zelda game much. That is all.

Eh, to each, his own. I always craved a darker Zelda. I grew up with it, and I just don't feel like playing a cartoon anymore.

[Koh]

I'm gonna have to learn some scripting. I'd like to carry this to the level of my mockups up there. Kudos, though, for actually doing it.
Eh, to each, his own. I always craved a darker Zelda. I grew up with it, and I just don't feel like playing a cartoon anymore.

Hmm...the way I see this is...it definitely does NOT fit a Zelda game, or anything Nintendo related. HOWEVER, what you COOOOOOULD do is make your own graphics and stuff for your own kind of game with this stuff in it; then it'd make your quest that much more unique .

[TheLegend_njf]

Those octorocks got what was coming to them.

The blood scripts would be perfect if somebody wanted to make a survival horror game using the zquest.

[Tree]

Honestly? You're way oversensitive if you find this bothersome. I look away when doctors start cutting into people in movies, but no games have been able to make guts that realistic-looking yet, and a little red color shouldn't bother anyone

But it's Zelda. The happy-go-lucky Nintendo game with "Cartoon Violence". Seeing everybody's favorite elf go on a gory massacre with blood and GORE, it could be a little unsettling for some fans.

To me, NAH. They're just 16-bit sprites

Edited by Keiichi123, 21 July 2012 - 12:32 PM.

[Cukeman]

I think it's his quest and he can do as he likes.
Just think about the premise objectively if you don't like blood: Different death animations for different attacks.
That's a pretty cool idea in itself.

[Artistic]

I really wouldn't like to see gore in a Zelda quest. Instead of the color red for the blood use blue for the Octorocks because they are blue. Maybe it wouldn't be so shocking.

Edited by Artistic, 22 July 2012 - 01:01 AM.