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[William]

How 'bout we just smack the crap out of each other with chairs? That should settle the question.

Added to signature. In fact, because of this statement, I just realized how off topic we've been this whole time. I'm going to save my responses for another time and another place, such as the Debate Room.

[Isdrakthül]

It really depends on your point of view. Sure, we're not saying things like "aliens should turn us all into spare ribs because [insert reason here]", but what we're debating does relate to the topic and, if we arrive at a conclusion one way or another, it will affect our conclusions about whether aliens should kill us. Personally, I think that this falls within the topic, but it's up to the staff to judge.

[Sheik]

It's not "beyond logic" at all, it's just not well understood. There's only one kind of logic, so saying "evolutionary logic" doesn't make much sense, unless you're just talking about logic applied to evolutionary theory. Again, there's nothing illogical about homosexuality, it's just not well understood.

If evolution was to make sense, than homosexuality was not to happen. That's my point. Also, it is not useful, but it's not harmful either way. While, yes, sense is not equal with logic those two happen to be connected quite tightly.

Yeah, that's true. Homosexuality isn't illogical; in fact, there are plenty of animals that have sex with both genders. Take monkeys, for instance. Homosexuality isn't beyond logic, because we can use logic to see what causes it.

That's bi- or maybe even pansexuality. Homosexualitly is when you feel attracted to the same gender you happen to be. But yes, there are about 450 known species that participate in homosexual acts or live in homosexual relationships (and only one known species that shows homophobia, by the way).
If you know what causes homosexuality, than you win at life. And please, explain it to me. I've been looking for satisfying answers the better part of my life and all I find are theories that might or might not be right. But it sounds you have the answer, and even a logical one. I am eager to hear it.

Because this is admittingly off-topic (why do all our debates end in questions about homosexuality or are about christianity?) you could as well PM me.

[Moosh]

So let me get this straight, we started with aliens and 4 pages of text walls later, we end up with stuff like the existence of the color blue, quantum physics, and homosexuality. Yeah, I pretty much skimmed, but whoa. This sure has gone off topic...

[NoeL]

If evolution was to make sense, than homosexuality was not to happen. That's my point.

Then your point is incredibly flawed You're making an argument from incredulity - you can't figure out how the two can coexist so you simply assert they can't (in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I might add). For homosexuality to be illogical we'd have to grant the premises:

1) Evolution is responsible for every facet of life, including sexual preference.
2) The existence of homosexuality cannot be explained by evolution.
3) Homosexuality exists.

Now we have something illogical. If we grant any two of those premises, the third cannot be true. The problems, however, are with premises 1 and 2 (more so 2). No one has demonstrated that the existence of homosexuality defies any known mechanism of evolution, it just appears counter intuitive. Appearing counter intuitive is not a violation of logic.