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[Ventus]

Agreed. Instead of an Xbox ONE, I plan to just build a nice PC and rely on Sony and Nintendo for exclusive games. Microsoft clearly does not care about gamers. They just want to think of dirty tactics to get your money.

Me too, thats why I just put a lot of money into building a new computer since it seems Computers, Sony and Nintendo.

Are the only things left for gamer's really. I mean so far from what Microsoft has let out in info that really shows,

that they don't really care about gamer's no more its more about the money and nothing else.

 

At least so far Sony has stated "PS4 Is Firstly A Games Console". which makes me think that Sony is there for the gamer's.

also Nintendo is there too, mainly for the casual gamer's but that's not a bad thing.

(Just gotta deal with the gimmicks which has gotten better over time.)  

[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

But the Xbox One is still also mainly a gaming console. There's this big misconception that just because they didn't focus on the games during the initial reveal, that the Xbox-brand is no longer going to base itself around gaming. This is simply not going to be the case.

 

I believe Microsoft was just planning ahead - they had one more or less terrible press-conference, and while they did not plan on it being received so poorly, I am sure, they did get all that stuff that they knew gamers was going to complain about, out of the way before E3. It seems very likely that they're gonna go up stage come E3, and they'll throw out game after game. Remember, they've got 15 titles cooking at the moment, 8 of which are new IP's. We're going to see a good amount of those on E3.

 

Now, Sony's left in a weird position. See, here's the thing: they're going to have a lot of the same features as the Xbox One has. They would be stupid if they too aren't jumping into the TV-game. They're gonna want to tell us all about that, too, but that means taking time that could be used for games out of their big E3 conference, and throwing in info about this stuff instead. They're not going to keep it out, because Microsoft has already told us all about their TV-services, so if they're going to make sure consumers all around the world knows that the PS4 will do TV too, they have to mention it at E3.

 

So I'm actually predicting that we'll see more games from Microsoft than Sony at E3. The only question left then is; which will show the most interesting titles?

 

As a side note, I'm guessing Nintendo will mention TV-services in one way or another as well. They've already got some of these in the Wii U, and for the same reason as Sony, they're gonna want to make sure people out there knows that the Wii U can do all the cool stuff that the Xbox One does too.

[TheLegend_njf]

Wow, Ventus, you just knocked me a mile away. It's the first time I seen Nintendo included, but not defended in the console wars as a possible winner.

With all of the bad talk against Nintendo these days, it's good to see Nintendo being seen confidently like that, because I guess if we have to defend Nintendo, it's not a confident gesture. It's the first time I seen Nintendo and Xbox compared in this way. Could Xbox have increased Nintendo's likelihood in succeeding?

[DashSim]

I considered making a new thread for this, but this thread is recent enough and this is very much relevant to the discussion that's taken place in here...

 

Microsoft clarifies Xbox One DRM/used game/online policies.

 

Some highlights. I've bolded the parts I feel are of most interest.

Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release. Discs will continue to be a great way to install your games quickly.

 

Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required: After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud.  So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.

 

Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games.  Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.

 

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games.  You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

 

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers.  Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games. 

 

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

 

In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers.  Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

 

To ensure Xbox One works optimally and can offer the experiences described above, it is designed with the following networking requirements: 

 

For an optimal experience, we recommend a broadband connection of 1.5Mbps. (For reference, the average global internet connection speed as measured recently by Akamai was 2.9 Mbps).  In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband.

 

While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection. 

 

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.

 

 

Confirms a lot of the... undesirable aspects of the console. And a lot of tricky wording here. 'Publishers can enable you to you to trade in ...' So, they can also prevent it.

 

Two things I'm wondering about, at the moment: The Internet is outraged about this all right now, but how much of a noticeable impact will this really have on the console's sales? And, if this does translate into an impact on sales, is there any possibility of Microsoft reaching the conclusion that it should reverse course on these policies?

[The Satellite]

Honestly, much of the stuff in the first paragraph seems interesting. Sure, the whole pseudo-regulation thing is a pain, but at the very least, they're leaving those things up to the publishers themselves. Granted, it'll still be Microsoft's fault that system exists at all, but at least we can blame the publishers for preventing used-game trade-ins instead of Microsoft. ... okay so it's still Microsoft's fault. Still, the cloud gaming idea actually seems kind of neat. And these details are honestly much better than people were blowing them up to be.

 

The connection thing is really the only stupid part left. People vacation in places without internet, what are they gonna do then if they wanted to take their Xbox?

 

Also, I renamed the thread. Tired of looking at that asinine title.

[Ventus]

That just confirms the Xbox One sucks. We already knew that, I'll be glad to see Microsoft fail with the launch of this piece of crap.

[The Satellite]

When the hell did you become so cynical? O_o

 

It's a bit foolish to think it'll fail. Chances are, it won't. Sure, many of us here on the forums may have our misgivings, but you can bet there are plenty still who don't even care about any of this. Maybe they even outnumber us. It won't fail just because you don't like it. It actually comes off as arrogant that you think so.

[Ventus]

Not trying to be cynical, but it would just make my day to see this thing fail. Really it would.

 

If my last post came out wrong, I'm sorry for that. Its just how I feel about this console.

[The Satellite]

Well you're still fired.

 

er

 

I admit, it won't be my first choice. I also admit it has some features I think are dumb. I definitely don't think it'll fail, though. Wii U will be my first choice, cuz, well...

 

[DCEnygma]

Soooooo.... it's Xbox Steam?

[DashSim]

I said that I was uncertain that the anger in gaming communities about the Xbox One's DRM would translate into any substantial consequences on its sales, because I'm weary of a sort of echo chamber effect (when there's a hundred people on your favorite message board saying one thing, it can feel like the whole world feels that way). I can't help but feel that people gathering together online to say they won't buy it may ultimately amount to only a fairly slight difference. But one thing I will say is that these policies will impact more than just the people who discuss and loyally follow information on videogames on the Internet.

 

There's really quite a lot of people, ranging from very casual players to very dedicated ones, who play on consoles and whose current gaming habits would run into some sort of roadblock on the Xbox One due to its DRM policies. Does anyone not know someone who sells their games after they finish them? Who are not accustomed to arbitrary restrictions on who they can sell them to, if the specific games can be resold at all? This is not exactly an obscure niche of individuals. What about people who use their consoles in situations where a daily Internet connection isn't possible? People who like to lend games to their friends? That is, to more than a set amount allotted?

 

These aren't small things that are only noticed by dedicated videogame fans online. These things will impact a lot of people. People who don't follow videogame information and therefore might be caught off-guard by these new restrictions. Microsoft's executives surely know this, they must just be hoping these hurdles are things that their consumers will grow accustomed to. And... I suppose that's the bet Microsoft is making, isn't it? Not that these things won't go unnoticed by people, but that they won't effect them enough to not buy/use their console.

[Russ]

So, to recap basically, developers have the power to disable the selling of used games or giving them to friends, and you can't play games if you haven't been online in a day.

 

Yeah... as somebody who has a really bad internet/network, and often can't get his PS3 to connect to the internet for days at a time, I'm basically not gonna be allowed to play games on this big new system I got. Microsoft... I'd say go screw yourself, but I don't think that's possible since your head's already up your ass.

 

Seriously, what's the point? it's stupid and arbitrary. The used games thing at least has some reasoning behind it (very stupid reasoning, albeit, but reasoning), but the online thing's beyond dumb. I've already explained why it'd be an issue for me. So what do you do then, Microsoft? Or, here's another example. My friend's have a house up north on the water, a small TV, but no internet. We'll go up there for a few days at a time and bring their Xbox to play with at night. Guess that's not gonna be possible anymore.

 

Seriously Microsoft, this is just stupid. Absolutely, incredibly, undeniably stupid.

[Shane]

All I can say is that PS4 better not screw their chances up.

[The Satellite]

I heard the PS4 might also do the thing allowing publishers to deny the reselling of used games, so don't pin it all on Microsoft. The connection thing is dumb, but otherwise, it ain't just gonna be the Xbox One with the problems. Sheesh.

[LinktheMaster]

Seriously, what's the point? it's stupid and arbitrary. The used games thing at least has some reasoning behind it (very stupid reasoning, albeit, but reasoning), but the online thing's beyond dumb. I've already explained why it'd be an issue for me. So what do you do then, Microsoft? Or, here's another example. My friend's have a house up north on the water, a small TV, but no internet. We'll go up there for a few days at a time and bring their Xbox to play with at night. Guess that's not gonna be possible anymore.

 

Seriously Microsoft, this is just stupid. Absolutely, incredibly, undeniably stupid.

I feel like there's a couple reasons.  For one, there's the licensing and DRM, which I'm sure Microsoft added because some companies were pushing for it.  Honestly, if Sony doesn't add some sort of DRM, expect some developers to shy away from the PS4 and go for the XBox One (unless it doesn't sell well).  Companies probably also want always online so that they can reliably patch games if that's needed.

 

Also, while Microsoft hasn't specifically said so, I'm getting a feeling that a lot of data (such as saved games, profiles, etc.) will be saved on the cloud.  Therefore, to keep all this stuff synced, Microsoft has to have the console be online at least every so often.

 

I'm not saying I agree with it, but I'm not at all surprised.