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[Jubbz]

Gonna go live in a few! Playing LQFTH2 this time!

How many times will i die this time? LETS FIND OUT. Link to the stream is in my sig.

Hope to see you there!

Edited by Jubbz, 12 April 2013 - 03:42 PM.

[Love For Fire]

Haven't been able to get too far in Level 8. All I found were 2 dungeon maps. Hints towards the first key?

[Moosh]

All I found were 2 dungeon maps.

2 dungeon maps?! What?! How did you find a second one?

For the first key you need to go south from a room with 5 doors and solve a puzzle.

[Aevin]

Alright, I'm giving this another go, with a better mindset. I had actually deleted my file so I had to make it back up to the dark world again. A few things I noticed this time around ...

While I still think they're a bit much, I apparently didn't ever try KILLING the patras on the overworld. Since they never return, it's not a big problem. I've also developed better strategies for fighting wizzrobes, and got that red ring. I'm better equipped and ready for punishment!

I do have one minor suggestion. I appreciate how often you give large money rewards, but once you've used it all up on those expensive items and upgrades, grinding for money from enemies is reaaally slow. I actually found the fastest way of making money was walking back and forth between two screens and cutting the grass/bushes. Maybe slightly increase the drop rate of the ten rupees from the green Leevers, or have some other enemies drop five rupees? Or maybe I'm once again missing something obvious.

Anyway, I really enjoy many aspects of your work, and I'm gonna do my best to make it through this time.

[Eppy]

There's a few caves in the dark world where you can get 200s and 600s in ruppees.

[Love For Fire]

2 dungeon maps?! What?! How did you find a second one?

For the first key you need to go south from a room with 5 doors and solve a puzzle.

In the room with the lock block, you can bomb the bottom wall (blue) and then you get into a room with super darknuts that drop the map. I think i also got a map stepping into the red version of the room. to the right is a spike room where in the blue side you have to push the ice block around (I think this is the puzzle you were referring to). Unless theres something else I'm missing. I used the lens and see no triggers. I've tried diving and whistling too.

Also... now what?

Edited by Love For Fire, 13 April 2013 - 12:16 PM.

[Eppy]

You go back to that room after finishing Moosh's Ways, at that time the door will open.

If you can't do Moosh's Ways, then you need to complete Veni Vidi Vici.

Edited by Eppy, 13 April 2013 - 02:16 PM.

[Moosh]

In the room with the lock block, you can bomb the bottom wall (blue) and then you get into a room with super darknuts that drop the map. I think i also got a map stepping into the red version of the room. to the right is a spike room where in the blue side you have to push the ice block around (I think this is the puzzle you were referring to). Unless theres something else I'm missing. I used the lens and see no triggers. I've tried diving and whistling too.

Okay, I know what happened and it's the single most retarded thing Zelda Classic has ever decided to do. It decided to overwrite the key in that room with another map. I don't know if this bug is even possible to fix...I'll PM you level 3 cheat and if I can't fix it I'll just put a message at the beginning of the level telling players to make a backup save.

[Russ]

Okay, I know what happened and it's the single most retarded thing Zelda Classic has ever decided to do. It decided to overwrite the key in that room with another map.

Wait, what? How on earth did it do that? And why?

[Jubbz]

I'm gonna stream LQFTH2 today In a few minutes!
Wonder how far I'll get today? Only one way to find out!

To check out my stream full of derps, fails, and awesome, click the link in my sig.

Hope to see you guys there!

[ML1014]

In Level 7, what's the deal with this room? I need the key but the conveyor won't let me pass...

[Moosh]

You need to kill the enemies before the key gets stuck there.

[Aevin]

Yeah, after getting the big wallet ... Forget what I said about the rupees. If anything, Moosh is too generous.

[Moosh]

Yeah, after getting the big wallet ... Forget what I said about the rupees. If anything, Moosh is too generous.

When I designed this quest I made the assumption that players would make a lot of mistakes and miss a lot of stuff. Because of this, I put a lot more money in the quest than I would ever need on any given 100% playthrough. In the first LQftH everything was free except for the hookshot. I didn't want money to be too much of a problem here either.

I tried my best to give this quest a little bit of something for everyone. The main levels from what I've seen weren't too difficult for the average quest player to make it past and the hardest stuff was all made completely optional. I had multiple kinds of difficulty suited for different playstyles ranging from the minimalist style difficulty of Ultimate Test and the wind based difficulty of Level 7 Hard Mode and Veni Vidi Vici to the more puzzle based difficulty of Moosh's Ways. I even more or less thew the player a free master sword by making Pitfall only about as difficult as the regular levels.

Do you still think this quest is a 3? I don't consider a 3 bad, but I'm curious if you really consider Level 5's difficulty spike to be enough to pull it down from what otherwise sounded like a 4 or a 5. I might want to nerf it if it's frustrating people that much. If it really is that bad, what should I change?

Edit: This doesn't just apply to Aevin. The more people who have complaints about Level 5's difficulty to voice, the more likely I am to change it.

Edited by Moosh, 15 April 2013 - 12:13 AM.

[Aevin]

The short answer is, no, I don't still think it deserves a three. The long answer ... is spoilered for plot points and other stuff.

Spoiler

Well ... I've been thinking a lot about it, and I've been having a much better time on this playthrough. Part of it is having the ring available, but I also have to admit I made some big stupid mistakes without fully catching on to what you were doing. For example, in the Haunted Grove, I didn't realize the ghosts attacked based on your item use and thought they constantly zoned in on me all the time when I was trying to fight. I also didn't realize there were neat little trails to follow in Mirror Mountain, and now that I get it, I think that place is brilliant. I also did a poor job in exploring the Dark World originally, and didn't discover a great many of the upgrades available.

I also wasn't used to fighting enemies like fire wizzrobes effectively, and I learned some better strategies from playing Russ's Darkness Within. I still hate that those Darknuts always respawn due to the fact they split, but what the heck.

On top of all that, diifferent types of games appeal to different people, and it doesn't feel right that I should vote something down because I don't enjoy such big challenges.

So, yeah ... I feel like I gave you a review based at least partially on my own ignorance, and I feel really bad about it. I've heard the new site may allow for editing reviews, and if it does I'll increase it, if it doesn't, well, I'm sorry for mucking up your score. I understand how much people invest in their quests, and it feels thoughtless of me to have judged so quickly without giving this a better chance.

For me, level 5 wasn't really the problem, it was level 6. This time, I'm finding it much more manageable. But yeah, darknuts ... I just wish they didn't always return.

The only thing that still really bugs me is the patras. If you must have so many of them, you should at least make sure the player doesn't get hit immediately by scrolling in from the top of the screen.

I can tell from your design overall that you're very concerned with making a good experience for the players. And on the whole, you succeed. I really hope to finish this time, and I'll give you some additional thoughts when I do.