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[Russ]

I'm kinda surprised people are surprised about Bayonetta. I was actually expecting her to be in the game on its initially release, and she seemed like a pretty logical pick what with Bayonetta 2 being Wii U exclusive. And everything about her looks awesome. As somebody who already got the only DLC character he was really hyped about, I'm really excited for her.

And then there's Corrin. He's cool, I suppose. The fighting style looks interesting. But, like others, I kinda feel that they put a bit too much focus on Fire Emblem overall with this game. Six characters total. That's tied with Pokemon for second place in number of fighters. And it's not one of Nintendo's most popular franchises by any means. I'm not upset to see Corrin included, but I do feel a representative from another series might have been nicer.

[Deedee]

We need King K Rool and Ridley. Come on Reggie, give us Mother 3 Rool & Ridley!

[thepsynergist]

I kinda feel that they put a bit too much focus on Fire Emblem overall with this game.

 

It's not even a feeling anymore.  There are more FE characters in Smash now, than Zelda characters...

[Haylee]

... Another freakin' Fire Emblem character? Jesus Christ, Sakurai has such a hard-on for that waifu sim game...

I'm kind of annoyed that the FE series has become this, since it wasn't the case at all before Awakening.

 

Anyways:

- Kinda pissed they picked Corrin. I'm not pissed that there's 6 FE reps, I'm pissed that every rep has been the main protagonist of each of their games, with Lucina almost being an exception, since she's sort of a secondary protagonist, but the game still focuses a crapton on her.

 

Personally, if they wanted to incorporate another FE character, and if they do, it needs to be a villain. With so many reps, you would think there'd be one enemy in there. Hell, I have the perfect idea for who it would be:

Hardin! Not only does he fill the "NOT ANOTHER SWORD FIGHTER" quota, but he's also a kickass villain!

 

- Bayonetta is hype, and I love it.

[Shane]

We need King K Rool and Ridley. Come on Reggie, give us Mother 3 Rool & Ridley!

I somehow don't think Reggie is making them Smash decisions.

 

My opinion: I'm neutral. I just wanted something that was Nintendo, and I think what we got is good enough, but I'm not completely blown away. I'm glad we didn't get "Steve" from Minecraft like few people speculated due to Minecraft on Wii U. Also I heard people were expecting Goku? Kinda an odd choice, but I could understand the appeal, kinda. Someone was actually disappointed by the lack of Shrek... so yeah, be right back, I'm now rethinking my life.

[Koh]

I loled. I guess they just REALLY want peeps to check out that new FE game.

Too bad, sorry Mike Jones and Belmonts.

[Twilight-Prince]

I'm likely to get a lot of burns in saying this, but Bayonetta did not deserve the spot she was given.

 

Seriously, there were tons of other potential characters that could have made it in aside from her, and some companies were even pretty much PRESENTING their characters to Nintendo saying "we'd like to see this!", but then they just get slapped away for a pair of sexy legs. Yes, I've never played the Bayonetta games, and I really have no intention to, and while I'm happy for said fans of her, I'm still pretty much dissapointed that she, of all recognizable characters, was the one picked.

 

As for Corrin, well...I somewhat agree that he/she is a bit of a waste of space. While FE is Nintendo's IP, and that if they wanna represent a game that's gonna come out soon...fine, they can do that. They did it before with Melee by giving us Roy and Marth, but this is still blatant advertising that could've been used for a potential second ballot winner.

 

Cloud and some of the Mii Costumes were the only good highlights of this Direct. I'm buying Cloud, and that's all the DLC I'll be getting for Smash 4 from hereon.

[Tree]

It's not even a feeling anymore.  There are more FE characters in Smash now, than Zelda characters...

There are more FE characters than Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Kid Icarus, F-Zero, and even Kirby characters. Back when Melee was new, people outside of Japan didn't even know what Fire Emblem was. I really don't understand why we need so many characters from a fairly unknown (compared to other franchises) series.

[Moonbread]

Sakurai: "From now on, it's only fan service!"  *specifically adds a Fire Emblem character to advertise one coming out*

 

Yeah, if you could color me disappointed by the last of the DLC, you'd run out of crayons.  It was, to be perfectly frank, a pretty shitty ending.  I try not to be so pessimistic, but let's talk about how Fire Emblem is a franchise that has almost died twice while Donkey Kong has been one of the most profitable Nintendo series, and has 3x less characters.  Zelda having less reps is just plain criminal.  It's especially bad when we're getting a FE character who will only be in Fates while we've had recurring, major Zelda characters like WizPig Ganon or Vaati completely overlooked.  If they wanted to use one-offs, too, there's always characters like Midna or Skullkid.  Sakurai's boner bias for Fire Emblem has been super obnoxious and I really hope it doesn't infect Smash 5.

 

Cloud is the only beacon of hope out of this pack, really.  He's really fun to play as and is really strong.  Unfortunately, his selection of costumes and color alts are really terrible, being same-y, and Midgar only getting two songs is doing a disservice to a series with amazing soundtracks.  Bombing Mission, FF4's Dreadful Fight, and FF6's Decisive Battle all should've been available.

 

I'm neutral on Bayonetta.  I'm not all that thrilled about her because she wasn't near my list of characters I want.  Would've much rather had Isaac, Dixie Kong, K. Rool, Ganon, or Captain Toad.

 

*grump*

[HavoX]

I think having Bayonetta (whom I correctly figured would be in SSB eventually) makes a lot of sense, since a balanced male/female cast is essential in a fighting game. I do feel bad for Dixie Kong and Shantae though...

[thepsynergist]

In the direct, it was mentioned that overall Bayonetta was the winner of the poll.  She was #1 in Europe and #5 in U.S.  This just makes me wonder what her spot in Japan was for them not to mention it.

 

Also, is everyone forggeting that GENO is in smash now!

Edited by thepsynergist, 16 December 2015 - 12:39 AM.

[HavoX]

Also, is everyone forggeting that GENO is in smash now!

YEAH :rockin:

 

I guess Big N cut a deal with Square-Enix on this one.

 

 

EDIT: Oh by the way, V1.1.3 is live. But I think most of you knew that already

Edited by HavoX, 16 December 2015 - 09:16 AM.

[Avaro]

Why is it that the new characters are getting such overloaded kits, with more different abilities and combos than normal smash characters? Oh well. I'm not complaining, I just would like some new combos for existing characters now. xD

[Yloh]

Here are my thoughts on the new DLC characters.

 

Cloud: My initial reaction. Ummm ... ok then. This is kind of cool. I did not expect to see Cloud in an official Smash game at all because he has never been in a Nintendo game before. Sure you can say "Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories", but he was a minor character in a gimmicky game. Regardless he is here to stay. Final Fantasy was a hug part of Nintendo games until Cloud came along. Funny when you think about it that way. But I was saying, I do believe Cloud is a prime candidate to represent the Final Fantasy series for Smash and I'm not complaining here. His gameplay gives me mixed feelings I love his limit break mechanic. Other than that, some of his A attacks remind me of Ike. Of course there are only so many ways you can swing a sword, so I won't be too harsh here. Is it me or does Omnislash look a lot like Great Aether. 

 

Corrin: So Nintendo is adding a Fire Emblem character to promote a sale of a game that has not been released here in the States yet. Where have I seen this before? Oh, that is right, Roy from Smash Melee. Personally, I think this is a smart move on Nintendo's part, but why so many Fire Emblem characters I alway see people saying. From what I understand, Fire Emblem is very popular in Japan. While I think Lucina should of been an alt costume for Marth, I don't have much of a problem with 6 Fire Emblem characters in Smash. Anyways, we have another white haired multi gender character like Robin. Hmm, this character doesn't look like he is bring anything new to the table here. Wait until you see his game play. The fact that he can turn into a dragon is really cool. His attacks are very different from any of the other Fire Emblem characters, with the exception of another counter move, but even that move looks different. My favorite B attack is Dragon Lunge. I love how you have multiple options when you land this attack and it is something new to the game play element of Smash. Dragon Fang Shot also looks really neat. Also, his sword looks really cool. I love chainsaw swords.

 

Bayonetta: I'll admit, I got really excited to see this, but not because I'm a huge Bayonetta fan. It was because I originally though Bayonetta was going to be in the initial roster of Smash 4. You can almost say, I called it. Her game play looks very interesting. The amount of things she can do. It almost reminds me of Ryu in some says. She looks like a very difficult but very rewarding character to master. I love the After Burner Kick, so must potential. I'm going to go and guess that Bayonetta won't have many kill moves, outside he Smash attacks. Her Down Smash looks like a wicked edge guard. Her Witch Time looks like it can be quite powerful. It looks boarder line broken, but I do like the fact that that moves weakens the more you use it. Her Final Smash looks like it will be hard to use. Especially against mobile characters. 

 

Overall

 

Cloud: Some interesting mechanics, glad to see him here, but nothing else looks really that interesting. His stage looks really cool.

 

Corrin: He may be another sword user from Fire Emblem, but he looks really fun. I love his game play mechanics. 

 

Bayonetta: Looks very fun and difficult to play as. I'm very happy to see her here. I'm neutral about here stage.

 

Oh, even though it is only a Mii costume, Geno does look legit. 

 

Edited by Yloh, 17 December 2015 - 01:45 AM.

[Anarchy_Balsac]

Well that was good news, I get to save money by not buying 2 of the DLC characters, SWEET!!
 

In all seriousness, it feels like they dropped the ball.  Only 2 songs for Midgar (the Jenova Boss, Battle Arena, and Highwind songs should have at least made it.  I can see the final boss them being left out cus it was kinda weird), no Zack costume, and I'd have preferred if the limit break versions of his specials were used to emulate more of Cloud's actual Limit Breaks.

Bayonetta, well, I understand, but I'm a devout christian who doesn't want to risk eternal damnation, so.....

 

And, another Marth Clone?  Really?  I mean, I don't hate clones or anything, but getting the same clone over and over, and including twice for DLC is a little excessive isn't it?  If the wanted to include another Fire Emblem character, I'd have preferred a Robin Clone at least.