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[HavoX]

So, I've decided to hold off on Lucas until I got another gift card because I don't have enough money to download him. In fact, I might not even need him at all, but you never know...

Edited by HavoX, 13 June 2015 - 09:32 AM.

[ZeldaPlayer]

They say Roy and Ryu have been confirmed.

[Maleboocado]

So it seems Dreamland 64 won't have updated graphics.
http://www.reddit.co...and_64_on_wii_u

This is ridiculous. I can't believe a bunch of amateur people doing a semi-profesional mod (PM is impressive in many ways, sure, but dear god, some of the new CSPs in 3.5 are atrocious) still gives better results than Sakurai and his team. And I'm not a fan of Dreamland HD in PM 3.5 (it looks too plastic and fake) but at least I appreciate the hard work behind.

What a lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy port of Dreamland 64.

Edited by Maleboocado, 13 June 2015 - 10:19 AM.

[Haylee]

Meh, I'm not torn up about it, I like that version of Dreamland, and that design was part of the charm.

[SpacemanDan]

So hey, friendly thing here - it'd probably be a good idea to put any reference to the leaks in spoiler tags. To the select few who haven't had this spoiled for them already, I'm sure they'd like to be surprised.

 

Leak-related stuff

That said, I'm pretty excited to see our boy return. Ryu being added is also pretty cool, though I'm not a big Street Fighter fan so I can't say I'm incredibly excited or anything. But I have to imagine this is exciting for Street Fighter fans!

[KEM64]

Spoiler

Not really happy to find out that Ryu and Roy leak might happen after all. I really did not want to see Ryu in the game (I get a horrible feeling that Ryu might steal all the attention away from Mega Man when it comes to Capcom representatives in this game).

Roy....I wouldn't mind if we didn't already have a Marth clone in Lucina. Plus, they might want to change that other Roy's (the Koopaling) name to "Roy Koopa" or something to avoid name confusion.

I'm really disappointed that another leak is very likely going to be right, which ruins more surprises. Nintendo really needs to do a better job keeping secrets from being leaked.

Edited by KEM64, 13 June 2015 - 04:22 PM.

[Maleboocado]

Meh, I'm not torn up about it, I like that version of Dreamland, and that design was part of the charm.

The problem isn't they're reusing the design again (although to be honest the original visual design was made with very low resolution and graphics in mind, it looks really out of place in higher resolution games, just look at Congo Jungle and Saffron City in PM 3.5 as examples, it's painful to play in those stages), the problem is that it seems they aren't updating the textures, according to that twitter and some of the redditors who posted in the reddit thread. I hate Brawl, but Sakurai's team did the right thing here, they ported the needed Melee data (wait what? Didn't Sakurai said Melee's data was old? Yet they could port Melee's data to Brawl and then Brawl's data to Smash 4? lol) and then they remade the textures and edited the overall look of the stages to match the quality and design choices of the rest of the stages and the entire game. Brawl's Temple looks much better than Melee's Temple. Corneria, Onett, etc, all of then have subtle changes which are enough to pass as proper ports. And indeed, I have seen people "nitpicking" a lot of thing from Brawl, but I have never seen someone criticising how Melee's stages were ported. However, from that screenshot, Smash U's Dreamland seems like a straight copy of Melee's Dreamland. You know, a stage from a 14 years old game. And Melee and Smash U have completely different art styles. That's the problem.

Maybe (probably) I'm wrong, maybe the textures will be vastly better, maybe they have updated the stage for Smash U, but I doubt it. And they don't need to make drastic changes. You could argue that Project M's Dreamland, Metal Cavern and Hyrule Castle differs too much from their original versions, a criticism I share (Metal Cavern is the worst case, it was originally a Smash 64 stage, which coupled with Melee's Final Destination and Brawl's Battlefield made a nice representation of the Smash franchise itself, but Metal Cavern now looks like a Mario 64 stage while it still has the Smash 64 logo in the SSS...), Sakurai does not need to go as far, but again, they though that making the game more competitive was to put dozens of Final Destination clones and they took several months to handle an "extremely hard and challenging" copypaste of Mewtwo. Why delivering a flawless product when people are goinng to buy it anyway?

[The Satellite]

I think you're getting worked up over nothing personally.

 

Spoiler

As for my response to the leaks, hey, at least one new character is happening after all! I'm still not happy about Roy, since as people have noted, we already have Marth and Lucina; why a third clone?! It's why I disliked Wolf in Brawl, we ended up with three characters that played way too similarly to each other when Fox and Falco were enough. Learning Wolf was not going to be in Smash 4 was good news as far as I was concerned. But hey, I mean I guess I don't have to get Roy.

 

But knowing how hopeless I am I'll probably be getting Roy.

[Haylee]

SO, THERE WAS A STREAM JUST A MOMENT AGO SHOWCASING THE LEAKED STUFF

REJOICE, ROY ISN'T A CLONE. From what I saw of Roy's playstyle, it's a mix between Marth's and Ike's movesets, with original moves thrown into the mix as well, so you guys can stop freaking out about that at least. ^_^

 

Meanwhile, take Little Mac give him solid recovery, projectiles, and just overall better, and you get Ryu. He's not a clone, far from it, but like Mac, he's a ground fighter...just with actual recovery, making him seemingly great still.

[HavoX]

In reply to the leaks...

I was actually a little shocked about Ryu at first, but considering the moveset he was given, I think he'll work real well as a SSB fighter. The only thing that concerns me is how he'll do in the air (I haven't played a Street Fighter game in ages, so please forgive me).
 
As for Roy, well, I'm not too surprised. It was inevitable...

Edited by HavoX, 13 June 2015 - 05:25 PM.

[Orithan]

Spoilers

With Roy, that's the second to last of the fighters that were cut from Brawl to make it back in that stood a reasonable chance of getting in, with the last being Young Link - If they can find creative ways to alter his moveset. To be honest, I don't see the point of whining about the character selection anymore since this game has nearly all of the past fighters that reasonably could get in, if you wish to pay for the DLC.

Edited by Orithan, 13 June 2015 - 06:24 PM.

[Maleboocado]

SO, THERE WAS A STREAM JUST A MOMENT AGO SHOWCASING THE LEAKED STUFF

REJOICE, ROY ISN'T A CLONE. From what I saw of Roy's playstyle, it's a mix between Marth's and Ike's movesets, with original moves thrown into the mix as well, so you guys can stop freaking out about that at least. ^_^
 
Meanwhile, take Little Mac give him solid recovery, projectiles, and just overall better, and you get Ryu. He's not a clone, far from it, but like Mac, he's a ground fighter...just with actual recovery, making him seemingly great still.

Well, these are good news. Kudos to Sakurai for the good stuff.

[Maleboocado]

Spoiler

http://www.reddit.co...at_can/.compact

So basically Ryu is the Smash 4 version of Project M Lucario, both characters copying ideas from Street Fighter II. I never understood why the PM people made Lucario so complicated and I don't understand why Sakurai made Ryu to be partially controlled like in SF2, since one of the main appeals of Smash Bros is that it eliminates a lot of traditional fighters crap (fixed combos, ilogical input combinations, poor aerial gameplay) and simplifies controls.

Let's see how Roy turns out, that's the most promising character of this leak if he turns out to not be a clone. I always expected a potential return of the character to be given the Dr. Mario treatment, but nope! Maybe even the PM couls learn a few lessons, about decloning, we'll see...

Edited by Maleboocado, 13 June 2015 - 08:10 PM.

[KEM64]

Spoiler

The Direct just ended and unfortunately, the Ryu and Roy leaks were true. Ryu and Roy are officially in Smash Bros. They're available right now alongside Lucas.

Other content that is available alongside Lucas, Roy, and Ryu:

-Mii Costumes of Mega Man.exe, Zero, Isabelle, the Inklings (and a Squid Hat), Jacky and Akira from Virtual Fighter, and Heraichi from Tekken.
-Dream Land from Smash 64 (available in both versions), Miiverse (Wii U version only), and Suzuku Castle (Ryu's Stage, available in both versions).

They also showed Hyrule Castle and Peach's Castle from Smash 64. I don't know if they're available now.

Hopefully there's more surprises in Tuesday's E3 Direct (and hopefully it won't be leaked 1 day early!).

[HavoX]

V1.0.8 has been released, and it's a big one (so you'd better have enough room!). It's still downloading to my 3DS' SD card as I post this.

Edited by HavoX, 14 June 2015 - 12:34 PM.