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[Shane]

When people judge a game's quality by fanbase and/or popularity. E.g "I would play and enjoy Minecraft if it weren't for the 12 year old fanbase." or "This game is insanely popular therefore it's overrated and therefore the game quality is bad."

[Erdrick]

When people make an unnecessary amount of noise when you just want peace and quiet. There's a thing called common courtesy that I ask people to do. Another thing I don't like is how some people judge you for having a different opinion than you do. Or those who judges you for one action you did.

 

I can't think of anything else.

[Naru]

I dislike women's reaction if you just casually talk to them, especially if they talk normally with an attitude that clearly states it is not even worth to mention you are not good enough to talk to them. I clearly understand that there are lots of guys only interested in their body often coupled with low respect for women, especially if they are drunk. I even more can understand very well that women are disgusted if the have a guy in front of them they find sexually unattractive and are aware that this guy most likely is imagining to do things with her. Of course it does not help that a guy that trys to hit on someome and a guy just insecure in talking to others often react identical (nervous, shy and so on). Still there are not many compareable reaction that destroy your last bits of confidence this uutterly.

I had a similiar problem with a female friend at university ("Studium", don't know the correct word in english), she completely misses her self awareness about being a real beauty and has a friendly attitude to anyone. Though understandable many unsecure guys have the bad tendency to get their hopes up if a good looking girl is just a little bit nice to them and since she is insecure herself she also rather meets up with other insecure people and is troubled often by guys with too much hope. Reasoned by that since the moment it got clear I have no interest in her we understand each other a lot better, but the happy relived face she made this moment did really hurt.

That said I am really annoyed by the show off ego attitude of most guys have. Even guys with great personality tend to act like total idiots in a guys only environment. I am a pretty simple guy and have a lot of typical unreasonable guy-habits (like being highly frustrated if a women is physically stronger than me), but I am rather honest about my flaws and am not really interested in playing manly or cool, which often irritates other guys and makes it hard to hang out together. That society favors fake attitudes does not help either.

About the problem of avoiding persons to avoid saying stuff that could be interpreted as racism (and similar) is racism itself is understandable, but the problem is that there are always a few people that feel unreasonable offended. I mean I dont have much of a social life and often say things without knowing the social meaning between the lines of these words and often get into awkward situations because of that. Racism was never a problem in my surroundings, I cannot remember even one situation where someone was picked on because of such reasons. Following that I had already a few encounters (one sirious) where a person goes unreasonable mad and acts as if you are the worst human ever, I am pretty sure everyone knows such a person. If I now imagine such a person interpreting something as racism and shuns me as racist in the surroundings (for example because we have the same workplace) and trys to bring up everyone else against me. I can imagine very well how this will affect or even destroy my whole life. Also if you try to explain yourself this person will easily interpret 'this wasn't meant to be offending' as 'Racism is not offending and states the truth' and since racism is indeed a problem you are in a tight spot with no way out. So sure it sucks to avoid persons without trying to know each other first, but since there are horrible persons like mentioned above I think it is understandable.

About the whining about new things being not as good as old things I have to agree that there is a lot of good stuff these days and there was already a lot of bad stuff in the old days, but there are certainly some really bad trends these days. The overuse of graphics, tributs of panem is a feast for the eyes, but taking the eye-candy away the books are far to superior, also mc-tiles look really great and the game has a lot of nice things but compared to alttp it seems poorly designed. Most of old children-shows are outdated these days (especially since respecting elders was a given and resulted in good and realistical plots while these days children often are placed in adult roles reducing the adults to incapable idiots). Of course it is hard to make a realistical show for children including the more adult-topics they are confronted these days without creating a show that might confront you with these things itself... Things I especially dislike in japanese comics and movies are these harem-nonsense-shows and the other ecchi stuff reducing women to fools. I have to admit that I like japanese comics and such stuff, but most of the older stuff seems to have higher quality than the new things. Even something like Dragon Ball with a foolish story and mostly dumb charakters seems superior, Sasuke from Naruto beeing consumed by hatred and stating this as typical tribe behavior is a poor exuse for a poor Charakter-Development and the safe the world situation later pretty much kills the plot for me, Bleach has these incapable grown-up-situation and the charakter-development goes against zero, One Piece includes a lot of violence but does not confront this violence (in short the violence destroys the children-show harmony while not being developed enough to be interesting for an adult point of view).

Nah, just stating my subjective view for a few examples is not really a reasonable argument, got a bit overboard. Lets just say that Dragon Ball clearly states all the time that the Charakters are rather dumb and foolish while many modern shows show the idotic heros as just cool and admirable, the dumb die and revive - system is at least better for death-battles than the sudden power-outburst when loosing and I respect the lewd charakter of Bulma a lot more than the most female heros the days like Erza or Inoe (the one from bleach). Since I prefer often children-shows over adult-shows (and you can easily read/watch them for free in the Internet) I spend a lot of time doing so. Since german and american shows often are more bound to what is OK for children to watch and rarely have a good plot I prefer japanese shows but I am highly annoyed how messed up many things. There are many crude storys that I liked only while my mental state was bad at that time and there are a few things that messed me really up and where I really not understand why this is supposed to be OK for younger audience. Also it is just disgusting what they think to be OK only because it is just drawn.

I think it is understandable to have anxiety in youth to speak to others, I myself had never big problems to talk to others during schools but had a wall around me resulting in havin no friends at all. Reasoned by that some rather pathetic problems built up in my head and made my whole youth a nightmare. Also since others also have left puberty it is far easier to find nice people if you are adult but it is also harder to make friends so I can only encourage you to train your social skills while young. I fear I overdid it a bit with this post bit I try to not always pull back, btw. I myself am annoying myself a lot

[Bill Nye the Russian Spy]

Regarding the racism thing: the thing is that attempting to justify/excuse your remark in any way is the wrong answer. Apologize, say you didn't know that's what that meant, move on, and don't say it again.

Another thing I've run into a few times is people who use anonymity on the Internet as an excuse to be a jerk. You're not the only real person on here, you know. Their rationale tends to be something like "I have nothing to gain/lose from these people, so why should I care about being nice?" ...You do realize that this is a confession to having no real empathy for anyone, online or offline, right?

[Naru]

Sry, my english is not so great, especially for more earnest themes, so far I get what you are saying there must be a lot of misunderstandings since I not intended to write something negative. I found this thread today, did read through it and empathized a lot with it, so I wanted to write a bit myself, in the end I wrote a bit too much, especially my personal opinion about manga has gone a bit off-topic. I feel a bit bad about having said something wrong but I would like to hear you out (but pls keep it simple, even with the dictionary I won't get the meaning otherwise...)

Regarding the racism thing, the serious accounter I had once was a girl I thought was a friend. I did her a favor and cared for her cats while she was out of the country (I had her key to get into her rooms) since I fell ill for a few days a let my sister feed them during that time, my sister is a really trustworthy and caring person btw. After the girl came back she asked if everything was OK with the cats and I said yeah and casually mentioned that I was ill for a short time and had my sister do it. After that she got furious that I let some stranger into her house. Of course I explained her that my sister is not a stranger and I trust her. Also I did apologize to her and explained her I had no other choice (we didnt know each other to well and she only asked me because noone else was around) but she completely ignored everything I said and got even more serious. I was really shocked about her unreasonable reaction and hoped she would come down, but before we meet up the next time a few of the friends we share wrote me what an a**hole I am to let strangers in her house and did party there - obviously in her anger she started to tell lies to let me look even worse. After that of course I told them the truth and confronted her with her lies she got again even more furious and said she would be sure I had stolen things out of her room and I would not respect her because she would be a women and moslem. Since I am not good with people and she was befriended longer with them our friends naturally did choose her side. Since these people were pretty much my first friends I ever made this destroyed my first social life and increased my anxiety a lot. Around a half year later a few of these people wrote me that they started to have had also unreasonable encounters with her and believe me that she just told lies. Still since they are still good friends and never had such an extreme encounter with her I only rarely write with them and never met up with tjem again.

A lot of people I know (mostly family) told me they know similiar unreasonable people but never had such problems with them through avoiding them from the start. Obviously racism is a big problem in america. Though I live in Germany I never had encounters with openly racists, furthermore I have to say that most people are less earnest about racism. For example if I rember right it is kind of a no go for a white person to costumize as black through painting their skin in america, in Germany most people wouldnt see racism in doing so, just a few weeks ago I saw a parody-show where a white acter made fun of a prominent black by mimicking him and naturally he painted his skin brown. Because of that I obviously fear to do something that is racism without knowing if I encounter a group of people for the first time, for example if I would travel to america. You are right, normally it would be enough to just apologize in that case, but there exist a good amount of unreasonable people and because of that I think it is understandable to avoid people to avoid such a situation. Of course this is unfair because the majority of these people are just normal people. Actually it even feels wrong to call them by "these people" since stuff like skin colour doesn't matter to me.

[Bill Nye the Russian Spy]

Yeah, I get what you're saying about your sister - I've run into those types.

One tricky thing about all this is that different places have different histories, which means they end up having different standards. White people using facepaint to look black in North America has a long and ugly history of being a way to make fun of and demean black people - look up "blackface" when you have time. To my knowledge, this specific thing was never big in Germany, which is probably why they don't see a problem with it. Japanese video game companies struggle with this all the time - Oilman (Mega Man: Powered Up!) and Jynx (Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow), for example, originally looked the same as anti-black cartoons used in North America, which is why Oilman is blue in the American version of MM:PU and Jynx was changed to purple halfway through the first anime arc.

Edited by Bill Nye the Russian Spy, 03 February 2016 - 12:47 PM.

[Koh]

The never ending internet trend of, somehow, constantly misusing they're, their and there, as well as your and you're.  It's like the a good portion of the internet skipped 3rd grade.

[Deedee]

The never ending internet trend of, somehow, constantly misusing they're, their and there, as well as your and you're.  It's like the a good portion of the internet skipped 3rd grade.

 

Their their, it's not they're fault; there just having difficulties.

[Norzan]

When people say "Sounds like fanfiction" to criticize something like a book, game, etc. There's good fanfiction and bad fanfiction. Using the word fanfiction as a criticism to something just shits on the people who actually wrote good fanfiction.

[KingPridenia]

Another thing I've run into a few times is people who use anonymity on the Internet as an excuse to be a jerk. You're not the only real person on here, you know. Their rationale tends to be something like "I have nothing to gain/lose from these people, so why should I care about being nice?" ...You do realize that this is a confession to having no real empathy for anyone, online or offline, right?

 

I've heard a few stories of people getting their in-game accounts hacked over starting shit with the wrong person. MapleStory is infamous for that. Piss off a hacker, and you can consider your account compromised. I actually had a noob character get DC hacked (they use a packet spammer to spam your chat with @ signs and it basically DDoS'es your character and makes you crash) all for calling someone a noob. A NOOB for crying out loud, about the most commonplace and weakest insult in the book. I don't know if it's 100% true or not, but a friend told me that his cousin's friend allegedly had someone find him through an MMO because he was going around saying severely offensive things about his race and murdered him. If I learned one thing, you are NOT safe behind that monitor. If someone wants to find you, they will. If someone wants to hack into your account, they could brute force it.

 

Then again, it's one of those "two wrongs don't make a right" things. Honestly, if you have to go around ruining someone's gaming experience just because he called you a noob, you really need to re-evaluate your life. That's like someone calling me fat and I break his nose and give him a black eye. Going to what Shane said, while I do strongly agree, a lot of popular games sadly are hurt by their cancerous communities. Sure, not every Minecraft player is a "12 year old idiot". But you have enough idiots that you are prone to assuming everyone's like that. Think about it. If you just started playing an online game and the first person you meet is trying to scam you or be a dick to you, odds are you're not going to continue playing. Honestly, that's why I very rarely play Minecraft with other players; every single server I've been on has a griefer or some idiot that goes around saying every offensive thing in the book yet you're a "pussy" because you "can't handle it".

 

I mean do those same kids for instance go to school or work and when in trouble for using foul language, they tell their principal or boss to "Grow a pair" or "Get over it pussy"? Or is it just one of those punch-clock jobs? Like in person they're good people. Online, they say every toxic thing around, ranging from racism, sexism and homophobia? Or are those people just that awful in person and have to be a keyboard warrior to look/act tough?

 

@Koh: Don't forget people where if you misuse there/their/they're, they completely ignore your argument and say "their*". I have to wonder if that's how kids write these days. Even in college, a "business college" at that, every online discussion board was filled with enough errors that a die-hard Grammar Nazi would lose all sanity. It's fine in an online game, but when you're 20 years old and in your Sophomore year of college, do you really think "yea i agree with u" is going to fly as opposed to say "Yes, I agree with you."? One student I was proofreading a paper for almost had me in tears. Every single page was buried in a sea of misspelled words, lack of punctuation, tons of run-on sentences and sentence fragments, failure to capitalize, major errors in subject/verb agreement and more. I honestly can say just correcting ONE page in MLA format (which he screwed that up royally as well) of this one guy's paper, I had marked no less than 90 mistakes. How the hell do you make it into college, let alone make it to Sophomore year if you don't even understand the most basic concepts of grammar and the English language? Even people that had to LEARN English from scratch because they came from a country with a completely different language didn't do close to that poorly.

 

What really does kill me though is if you actually bother to type things out appropriately, you're "a nerd". o im sry, did u want me to type like this instead

[Shane]

Yeah, RedmageAdam, I too hate it when people nitpick your grammar/spelling errors in an attempt to dodge your point and just annoy the heck out of you. But that behavior alone just tells me they're a defeated troll, so it's sort of a useful thing too if you think about it.

 

To be honest, Anyone who gets bothered by spelling or grammar and goes on the internet and expects everyone to speak fluid English and type in perfect grammar is setting up a major disappointment for themselves. While it's true that anyone who intentionally misspeaks English and breaks grammar all the time to be cool and edgy can get pretty annoying fast, I'm not expecting someone who speaks a different language entirely to pick up English in a day or two and call them annoying if they fail my unrealistic expectations. That's just disrespectful and annoying in itself.

 

(I think I could of worded that better to be quite honest. I did some slight edits, I should really stop rushing my posts.)

[Naru]

Though I prefer also correct use of a language and am bothered a lot by my own English, I want you to remind that there are also a lot of nice and friendly people that just have no feeling for languages. Since I am simple minded myself I mostly have a good understanding with persons less intelligent, though it's really irritating at times. I cannot really give english examples since this was about grammer in german, but it's like "in" and "ihn", two german words and the guy next to me saw no difference between these words. I just say that because even though this guy was normally kind of friendly, he was obviously hurt and at times got aggressive if I tried over and over again to explain something and he just couldn't understand.
I mean of course there are a lot of idiots getting unreasonable violent or spelling stuff wrong out of purpose, but for people aware and feeling inferior because their incapable grammer/spelling, it is alredy a big hurdle to write something on a forum anyway and if they get corrected even though they try their best, it is pretty much like saying "you language knowledge is not good enough for the internet". I mean if you meet someone in person you can get a feeling for the person in front of you and if he is for example a bit dumb you normally behave and speak different according to it. If this happens on the internet you normally assume he has more or less the same intelligence as you and just think he is an idiot.

I really hope what I wrote before is not that horrible but since I was called a jerk cause of it, it is a good example for this. I tried to explain something in a language I haven't mastered yet and whatever I made wrong I am sure it was reasonable to be called a jerk because of it.

BTW, I also have stumbled over a few persons more intelligent, especially in things like informatics and mathematics, that have a bad feeling for languages, especially regarding grammer. Also half of the thing my sister writes is not even near to understandable because she hates writing sms and mails and uses auto correct far to often, something a lot of people do to speed up ...

[Dark Ice Dragon]

here's what happened ... I was on the train and the controller has looked at the ticket at all , including a non-EU girl who refused to show her ticket to the controller accusing him of being racist because he only asked her ( it was not true ) .
The controller called the railway police , but she refused both of showing the ticket to descend dl train and also accused the police of being racist .
You know how that turned out ? she won , because where I live there more trouble for a policeman who uses force to enforce the law that those who commit crimes ...they let she continue the journey as if nothing had happened, all the other passengers who paid like me have felt cheated.

but why if I who are EU citizen and traveling without a ticket i will receive a hefty fine, while a non-EU citizen, defending behind the excuse of racism, can be 60 km in train without cashing out a penny ? it's not racism too ?

Edited by Dark Ice Dragon, 20 February 2016 - 04:58 PM.

[Logos]

Most Tumblr and Twitter Feminists and how they act annoys me.

Edited by Logos, 21 February 2016 - 03:58 PM.

[Naru]

If others decide how you should speak/do things and use things like political correctness to back their unreasonable decisions up.

 

I don't know too much about political correctness in america, but in germany there is a really horrible attempt to destroy the language by feminists. In german, most words have a male and a female form, for example teacher is "Lehrer" (male) and "Lehrerin" (female), but in general the male form is used, for example you can call a female teacher "Lehrer" and a group of teachers independent on the genders is also called "Lehrer" (singular and plural are identical for this word in male form). There are also a lot of words that do not really describe a gender but have a male form and similiar things. Obviously near to noone is disturbed by such things, but since also noone wants to go against an aggressive feminist (since they tend to create shitstorms) they slowly get their way...

 

The result is a highly complicated language. For example someone/anyone is "ein jemand" (male, no female counterpart) and all reasonable alternates are also male only forms so you have to change the whole sentence to something unreasonable complicated you would never use. Just imagine you playing non-stop the word-game Taboo with common words like someone/anyone and many others. This change progresses luckily really slowly, but it does...