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[DCEnygma]

One of my issues for the forced updates are driver updates. My PC is too old now for development on supported Windows 10 drivers by my manufacturer, so I have to stick with Windows 8 drivers instead.

Windows update pretty much screws up my PC performance by selecting the wrong driver updates. So, my point? While forced updates have their pros, the issues I mentioned above can be quite tedious and troublesome for most users with old PCs.

That said though, I use the tool HavoX posted a few posts above and turned off the Windows Update option to choose the best driver for my laptop as a solution. I am happy with 10 now.

 

If it helps, you can tell Windows Update to not handle driver updates, we do that at work for all machines.

 

From the Microsoft Website:

1. Click Start, right-click Computer, and then click Properties.

2. In the Tasks list, click Advanced System Settings.

3. On the System Properties dialog box, click the Hardware tab, and then click Windows Update Driver Settings.

4. Select Never check for drivers when I connect a device.

5. Click OK twice, and then close the System dialog box.

Full disclosure: that's on Windows 7. I've never tried doing it on Windows 8 but figured I'd put it out there if that helps.

[LinktheMaster]

All jokes aside, I just feel kinda disappointed. I really have high hopes for Windows 10 simply because I like things that are new and fresh, but not a royal pain too. I personally feel that people should be given the option to disable automatic updates.

http://www.ghacks.ne...ows-10-updates/

 

You can quite easily disable automatic updates, but you just have to download a tool from Microsoft to do so.  They simply don't want your average home user who doesn't know any better to disable updates.

[Nicholas Steel]

http://www.ghacks.ne...ows-10-updates/

 

You can quite easily disable automatic updates, but you just have to download a tool from Microsoft to do so.  They simply don't want your average home user who doesn't know any better to disable updates.

Disabling all =/= disabling some. Most people don't want to disable updates entirely nor do they want all updates to be installed automatically, this is especially true for driver/hardware related updates. Edit: I checked your link out and I guess that is kinda acceptable, but still, that's way less intuitive or easy than it was under previous operating systems.

 

It also doesn't stop Windows Update from automatically installing updates without your permission/consent first so you WILL be needing to go through the tedious process of identifying which update you want to uninstall, typing the relevant command in to an elevated command prompt, downloading a tool that isn't included with Windows, running that tool, hiding the update... it's just... why? Why make it so needlessly complex and tedious to do? What was wrong with the old way?

 

At least give the Pro edition (and Enterprise) proper, integrated control over updates!

Edited by Nicholas Steel, 03 August 2015 - 10:53 AM.

[LinktheMaster]

Disabling all =/= disabling some. Most people don't want to disable updates entirely nor do they want all updates to be installed automatically, this is especially true for driver/hardware related updates. Edit: I checked your link out and I guess that is kinda acceptable, but still, that's way less intuitive or easy than it was under previous operating systems.

 

It also doesn't stop Windows Update from automatically installing updates without your permission/consent first so you WILL be needing to go through the tedious process of identifying which update you want to uninstall, typing the relevant command in to an elevated command prompt, downloading a tool that isn't included with Windows, running that tool, hiding the update... it's just... why? Why make it so needlessly complex and tedious to do? What was wrong with the old way?

 

At least give the Pro edition (and Enterprise) proper, integrated control over updates!

From the article: "Make sure you hit the advanced link on the first page that comes up and disable the option to "apply repairs automatically"."

[Nicholas Steel]

From the article: "Make sure you hit the advanced link on the first page that comes up and disable the option to "apply repairs automatically"."

I don't understand that option in the context given, as far as I can tell it's just a generic "Apply repairs automatically" that you see in most Microsoft Troubleshooter's. Does it hide ALL uninstalled updates simultaneously if you leave that option selected?

 

For a WiFi Troubleshooter, I can understand the option and what it would likely result in if it was left selected while using the WiFi Troubleshooter, but not in this Windows Update Hider troubleshooter where you are explicitly making choices.

Edited by Nicholas Steel, 03 August 2015 - 11:08 AM.

[Kite]

Full disclosure: that's on Windows 7. I've never tried doing it on Windows 8 but figured I'd put it out there if that helps.

The general process is exactly the same once you get to the system view on Windows 10 (which is easy to do by right clicking the start icon), but you may have to combine it with the process LTM linked if drivers are already on the system since Microsoft is really, really insistent that you have the drivers from Windows Update and just using driver uninstall (not device uninstall) from Device Manager isn't enough to get rid of any existing downloads even with that option turned to not use Windows Update for drivers.

 

The only major driver woe I've had so far is that there's a slight driver incompatibility with some AMD processors that causes Windows 10 to go to a black screen for 60 seconds between the Windows logo and the login screen. It is kind of annoying, but this is a desktop pc and I don't reboot often enough for it to be a deal breaker for me (I leave my computer on overnight). I still hope it gets fixed though since while it's okay as a temporary issue (for me at least. I totally understand this would be frustrating as hell for mobile pcs and people that reboot more often), it'd be worrying if it persisted for months. There are workarounds by uninstalling some AMD specific drivers, but I'd rather not do that just yet.

 

Edit: Huh. You can apparently log in even with the black screen (the mouse cursor is visible) by pressing a key then logging in as usual, but you have to do it blind. Still, that takes a lot of the annoyance off of that issue for me since I'm the only user account on this system.

 

Edit 2: Well then... I read a knowledge base question about the issue and someone suggested turning off Fast Startup from the Power Button options, so I decided to give it a shot. I turned the feature off and shut the computer down. I booted it up and it didn't really work at first since the login screen still took too long to show up, but my monitors did some resolution juggling. After deciding that didn't work, I turned the feature back on and did another shutdown. Turned the computer back on and it booted to the login screen almost immediately. So I think it was a monitor configuration issue and Fast Startup kept Windows from fixing it. Problem hopefully solved I guess.

Edited by Nick, 03 August 2015 - 02:44 PM.

[Omega]

And the Windows 10 shitstorm has began. I like how you can switch between windows 8 touchscreen template and what seems to be Windows 7/10 template. Still gonna wait this thing out though, let others deal with the early bullshit then come out of nowhere when issues are worked out as if I always supported it. Baha. I know, I'm an asshole.

[Demonlink]

The only major driver woe I've had so far is that there's a slight driver incompatibility with some AMD processors that causes Windows 10 to go to a black screen for 60 seconds between the Windows logo and the login screen. It is kind of annoying, but this is a desktop pc and I don't reboot often enough for it to be a deal breaker for me (I leave my computer on overnight). I still hope it gets fixed though since while it's okay as a temporary issue (for me at least. I totally understand this would be frustrating as hell for mobile pcs and people that reboot more often), it'd be worrying if it persisted for months. There are workarounds by uninstalling some AMD specific drivers, but I'd rather not do that just yet.

Actually, this is a known issue AMD is aware aboit. Last I heard from their website, they are working on a fix as many people are currently facing this problem.

[Orithan]

Has anyone encountered any issues regarding Windows 10 silently downloading in the background, despite not giving permission for said update?

 

I had this happen today while I was running mobile internet and I am far from happy about it. It ate up easily $40 of portable internet, which I brought today after it wasted what was left of my internet credit from before, before I found out that it downloaded. This is unacceptable and I refuse to put up with it. If they are going to force this type of rubbish on their users in the future, some of whom may frequently use portable internet, then I wish to make no business with them.

Edited by Orithan, 05 August 2015 - 07:40 AM.

[DCEnygma]

I believe the only way that would have happened would have been if you told it to reserve a copy of Windows 10 and had automatic updates turned on. If you had automatic updates turned on, this would have happened with a service pack as well.

[Orithan]

I had both automatic updates on and it told me to reserve a copy. I don't mind it downloading updates as long as they are small, but things as big as downloading a whole new OS without permission is going too far regardless of automatic update status. They should have at least asked for permission to have Windows 10 downloaded, as that was big enough to chew through huge sums of money in portable internet which I was using at the time.

Edited by Orithan, 05 August 2015 - 08:06 AM.

[DCEnygma]

But... when you reserved it, Windows said it will download it when it becomes available and let you know when it's ready to install... and if you had automatic updates on that tells them it's okay to download updates whenever. They did tell you this.

[FalsePower]

I'm a slow adapter to new fangled technology. When I get comfortable with what I'm using, I have no incentive to upgrade unless it's something I REALLY need to have.
I used Windows XP until last year when I went to install more RAM in my computer and found out XP has a cap on how much you can use. Now that I'm comfortable with 7 there's absolutely no motivation for me to make the switch to 10 when 7 does everything I need and more (not to mention I got it looking pretty sleek using that Classic Shell program).
 

[Orithan]

But... when you reserved it, Windows said it will download it when it becomes available and let you know when it's ready to install... and if you had automatic updates on that tells them it's okay to download updates whenever. They did tell you this.

 

The thing is that I didn't reserve it, though it told me to do. Thus I never received such a message that told me they were going to automatically download it.

[Nicholas Steel]

The thing is that I didn't reserve it, though it told me to do. Thus I never received such a message that told me they were going to automatically download it.

Complain on Microsoft's forum, it will be more productive for you: https://social.techn...rt=lastpostdesc

Edited by Nicholas Steel, 05 August 2015 - 04:24 PM.