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[kurt91]

When I was a kid, my mother went out and bought me a poster with all 151 of the original Pokemon on it. The real reason for this was because that way she would have something to use as reference to figure out what the hell I was talking about most of the time.

Somebody mentioned something about the X and Y in the titles being a reference to gene splicing and DNA. That got me thinking, you know how Black/White made you go through the game without access to the older generation Pokemon first? Would it be too game-breaking if a special gimmick they're wanting to do for this game would be that you're forced to use the new Pokemon for the main game, but they're all only a single type when you catch them, and you get to splice a secondary type onto them? There's bound to be some sort of overly-powerful combination you could come up with, so I suppose there would have to be a limit such as only being able to choose from two or three pre-selected types to add to the Pokemon.

You know what? I actually really like that idea. If Pokemon doesn't go anywhere with it, I've got RPG Maker, I'll use it myself. Just gotta figure out the best way to deal with it, whether it be heavy-duty eventing or a lot of scripting.

[Koh]

I feel bad for kids nowadays. When I was a kid into Pokemans I only had 150 to learn about. Heck, I can probably still recite all 150 of their names and a somewhat accurate list of their abilities.

It's kinda sad to me that the Pokemon franchise seems to invest all it's time and creative force into the main games which haven't really significantly changed. Sure they've added things like Day/Night, team battles, so on and so forth, but the core structure is exactly the same. Unlike Final Fantasy which completely reinvented itself with a loose union of gameplay, Pokemon is completely ok with churning out the same game over and over again.

Then again I'm no longer the target market for this and likely won't ever give them money ever again.

Crystal was the best Pokemon game ever x3. The first games will always be the first games, but they had their flaws. LOTS of them actually, and so many fucking glitches, but they were still enjoyable. Crystal was the cream of the crop; it was super polished, all the graphics were nice and colorful, the Pokemon animated, the music was nice, it was part of the Johto set, so that's 16 badges total, we could battle Pokemon Trainer Red whom is still the highest level trainer ever, Lanturn was introduced in this region, the series was innovated the most during these games with Day/Night, Breeding, etc, to make the world feel more like a world, and the list just goes on. Crystal had very few flaws that I can name off the back of my hand: Kanto needed more events, because there wasn't that much going on over there, minus the Team Rocket subplot, all of the trainers and Gym Leaders in Kanto were way too weak, I mean Lv 30's and 40's when you plowed through the League in the 50's? But otherwise, it has the most content of all the GBC games. When Ruby/Sapphire came out, you'd THINK it'd have been like that and even more, but it was actually a major letdown in regards to content. They actually DROPPED the day/night system first of all, god knows why, and the only really new thing here was Abilities.

But the point I'm trying to make is, while there are far more than 151 or 251 (Johto) Pokemon, and it's hard to get them all now, no one said that had to be the goal anymore. I stopped caring about Pokedex completion years ago. It's just not feasible anymore, especially when there's so many Event only Pokemon. Some would say "Just go to the GTS (Global Trade Station), but they clearly haven't seen the ridiculous offers people put up there. You either have to get super lucky to find a Legit trade, or just wait for an event that never happens.

Of course, we all know, with each new game, the engine improves significantly. So that said, minus the (slightly flawed) graphics for Gen 6, we can definitely expect to see the mechanics of the familiar Pokemon system beefed up abit, and some convenient changes made. The real question is....is it actually worth getting a 3DS for one game? The answer is, hell no.

[Orithan]

Bets on making pokemon #666 a demon?

No. Just no. If anything, make it into a powerful, viable non-demon pokemon like Darmitan (who is #555 in the pokedex).

What I really want to see this generation is a Normal/Ghost type because is creepy and a perfect candidate for #666 immune to the previously unresisted Ghost/Fighting combo while being weak to only Dark. I would like to see Macargo and Camerupt getting (or Slugma and Numel getting alternative) evolutions because they have phenomenal offensive typings that are wasted on their slow speed. Fire/Ice is also an excellent offensive typing; covering Grass, Ice, Ground, Flying, Bug, Dragon and Steel for SE damage. Add Ground for coverage and it also hits Fire, Electric, Poison and Rock for SE damage to make a grand total of 11/17 types hit for SE damage. That's insane coverage.

[Evan20000]

I don't see a vaguely-demonic pokemon being so farfetched actually. As for people freaking out about something demonic being in the game, I think Shedinja, Spiritomb and Banette are far more deserving of being labeled satanic than a hypothetical imp-ish pokemon.

But yeah, I'm also seeing a second Psychic/Dark/Fighting triangle being a plausible theory. What I'm curious to see though is if it would compound the advantage the starters have against each other or balance it?

[The Satellite]

I feel bad for kids nowadays. When I was a kid into Pokemans I only had 150 to learn about. Heck, I can probably still recite all 150 of their names and a somewhat accurate list of their abilities.

It's kinda sad to me that the Pokemon franchise seems to invest all it's time and creative force into the main games which haven't really significantly changed. Sure they've added things like Day/Night, team battles, so on and so forth, but the core structure is exactly the same. Unlike Final Fantasy which completely reinvented itself with a loose union of gameplay, Pokemon is completely ok with churning out the same game over and over again.

Then again I'm no longer the target market for this and likely won't ever give them money ever again.

You sound like me, except that I love Gen II as well and even more than the original games. I certainly did write off the franchise for a while because each game released was just a rehash of the last game (or a downgrade, in R/S/E's case). I feel like G/S/C were the only real expansions on the franchise, with a ton of new content and the awesome ability to go back to Kanto and challenge those gyms again. From there though, it was just the same boring routine. Sure, they had a few minor additions and such, but stuff that probably only really catered to the competitive battlers rather than those who care more about the single-player (like me). Black/White was a major disappointment. Black 2/White 2 probably are as well. Maybe X/Y will be, but for some reason, this is a game I want to play. It's probably the full transition into 3D, and the Pokemon Stadium-like battles. I just think it could at least be a neat change-up and new experience to play, even if it does turn out to be Black/White rehashed.

Somebody mentioned something about the X and Y in the titles being a reference to gene splicing and DNA. That got me thinking, you know how Black/White made you go through the game without access to the older generation Pokemon first? Would it be too game-breaking if a special gimmick they're wanting to do for this game would be that you're forced to use the new Pokemon for the main game, but they're all only a single type when you catch them, and you get to splice a secondary type onto them? There's bound to be some sort of overly-powerful combination you could come up with, so I suppose there would have to be a limit such as only being able to choose from two or three pre-selected types to add to the Pokemon.

That... could be a really neat mechanic, and would certainly turn the franchise on its head. It might be sufficient enough to create a whole new angle that would successfully shake up the formula. The problem is... I doubt that this will be the case. At least, I doubt that you'd be restricted to Gen VI Pokemon in the main game, since the trailer showed plenty of other gen Pokemon as well. Unless they're just placeholders for when they debut more Pokemon, but I doubt it. Or maybe that's just me being hopeful, because I want my 3D Pichu dammit.

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As much as I'd love to see this though, I doubt it would end up the case. Maybe a few select Pokemon from both past and present generations might be able to be tweaked, but I don't think all of them would end up like that. Which is sad, because I would freakin' love that sort of change to the formula. But I'll still be fine so long as it's mixed up in other ways...

I think Shedinja, Spiritomb and Banette are far more deserving of being labeled satanic than a hypothetical imp-ish pokemon.

Or Yamask and its evolution.

[LinktheMaster]

Honestly, while it does look pretty cool, I'm going to miss the days of Pokemon sprites. The handdrawn sprites just have so much charm to them.

Still, the game will probably be just as good as the rest of the Pokemon games. I was really pleased with Pokemon Black (haven't played Black/White II), so I'm looking forward to it.

[Moon]

I'll miss the sprites too, although I'm just glad they FINALLY made the leap into 3D.

[Sheik]

I'm going to be boring and admit that I might've been interested if they remade generation 1 in 3D. Unlike the other games, I liked that one.

You are probably going to complain how remakes are boring and that it's far better to get new stuff. But, face it: you are not getting new stuff. You get the old game mechanics with a new face (and one with uninspired/bad designs and artworks). You will probably get annoying new features such as those beauty contests and whatever else crap they crammed into the games after generation 2, though.

[LinktheMaster]

I would agree with you... if it were true.

Honestly, ignoring nostalgia and memories from playing the original two series, Black/White are the best Pokemon games to me. A lot of the battles are more streamlined, there's a lot more depth into leveling up than there were in the original series, and it's just really, really polished now. Sure, some of the new Pokemon in it are dumb looking, and I'll give you that the game could be more different as far as gameplay goes, but oh well. When you stack all the games side-by-side, the originals just don't live up as much as you might think when you take off the rose-colored glasses.

Also, while you and I may not care about the beauty contests and stuff like that, there are people who do. Plus, those things are rarely forced on you, so I really see them including that stuff as a moot point.

[Sheik]

Yeah, I know; I bet I am kinda biased towards the whole thing. I don't even know what Pokémon Black and White is. Is it the latest generation?

I still think it'd be neat if they polished Red and Blue without adding crappy gimmicky content and remade it in 3D. Ever since the first Pokémon Stadium I used to wish they'd release something like that for the N64 back in the day. It never happened obviously.

[The Satellite]

Personally, I don't consider minor refinements enough to make a game feel like the best one to play through, or else Assassin's Creed: Revelations would be the best Assassin's Creed game. Spoiler: It's my least-favorite after Assassin's Creed III. That's why I despise Black/White, there's really nothing new to it, it's all minor enhancements, and it's all boring. Also the story was overrated.

Oh, and when it comes to remakes, I'm not gonna complain, since HeartGold and SoulSilver are remakes and they're the best games in the series, bar none. >_> <_<

[Lemon]

You sound like me, except that I love Gen II as well and even more than the original games.

I'm actually all with you guys on the love of Gen II. Crystal was my favorite up until the GS remakes which were beautifully re-rendered. I was more just referring to the benefits of having all these little dudes introduced stagnantly.

LONG LIVE POCKET MONSTERS.

[Koh]

Oh, and when it comes to remakes, I'm not gonna complain, since HeartGold and SoulSilver are remakes and they're the best games in the series, bar none. >_> <_<

Seems we're all on the same page. Crystal dominated until it was re-envisioned, though I would have liked to see Kris with an outfit update instead of Lyra. This isn't to say Gen 6 will automatically be bad, but I doubt it's going to top G/S/C/HG/SS.

[LinktheMaster]

I have good memories of Gold and Silver from when I was a kid as well, but I'm not sure why you all hail it so much. I mean, it's good. But I honestly can't think of anything of anything that makes it soar so much higher than the rest, outside of maybe length... but I can't really give it that because half of it was just a lazy recycle of Kanto.

I will say that I haven't played HG/SS, though. This is just based off of original Gold and Silver.

[Russ]

Speaking as somebody who has no nostalgia for any of the games (Pearl was my first), I can agree that HG/SS is by far the best in the series. It had the best art style and best music. It had the most features, from the radio that actually effects stuff to the nice touch screen controls to the Pokemon following you, etc. It had the coolest optional stuff, from the cool Safari Zone to the Pokethalon to the Bug Catching Contest to the Battle Frontier to the why am I even naming them all, there's too many. It was the longest by far (and I'd hardly consider completely recreating Kanto in 3D to be a lazy rehash of R/B), with the most main story stuff to do (16 gyms, Elite Four, Elite Four Rematch, Red). It had the biggest amount, and best variety, of legendaries to catch. It just... honestly, it had everything a Pokemon game should have, save for story (which really it didn't have much of, but oh well). It's a great game that can literally last over 200 hours if you want to do everything, and that's not even counting completing the dex.

As for the original G/S, I've played Crystal, and it's fun and all, but really not as good as HG/SS. I'd probably say still better than B/W (B/W did lots of things that irritated me), but not as good as Emerald.