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[Gleeok]

Okay I was wrong, It doesn't get easier.

1) Any locations of extra heart containers?
2) How many are needed, err, how many max can I have for fortress 2 (& 3 .. preemptive query)?
3) Boomerang. ..Not really a question, but I want one.


Has anyone other than yourself beaten this quest yet? If not, what's the furthest anyone has gotten?

[DarkFlameSheep]

Edit:I deleted this post by several reasons.

Edited by DarkFlame Sheep, 17 August 2020 - 08:48 PM.

[James24]

To the best of my knowledge, I am the only player capable of beating Liberation of Hyrule without cheats. But I played it 3 times before release and 2 more times since release, so I can assure you everything is possible. If you tell me where you're stuck I can probably give you a strategy on how to beat that room. You need to know the right strategy otherwise its going to be very tough. ShadowTiger and Yowza were able to get up to fortress 5 without cheating. That's the best anyone else has got to.

The first part of level 2 to get the boomerang is one of the most difficult in the quest. Especially the dreaded gohma at the end.

You should go into level 2 with 4 heart containers. All the extra 3 should be gained in level 1. You should have the level 1 triforce before entering level 2 - if not you're at a disadvantage. But you are free to challenge it.

Once you get the 5th Heart Container from Level 2, you can get another one from the spikes training (find the raft in the waterfall and sail to the ocean). So, enter level 3 with 6 hearts. Midway through level 3 when you have the white sword, you can beat a few death knights to get another HC and complete the sword and candle training to get another heart container. At the end of level 3, there's another HC bringing your total to 9.

[yowza]

Hey there, so I haven't played this quest in over a month nor have I even visited PureZC in that time either, but now that I'm back I'm going to go full throttle and finish this quest ASAP! I predict 300-450 total deaths... since I can't fathom beating the creator's record of 200 something deaths since he knows what was on every screen

And have you tried the mini-games. You'll have fun all right...

As for the bomb upgrade in level 2, I hadn't intended on players getting that until they got the firerang. Congrats to you on getting past so many jinxes with the red candle. I only now realize that its possible to do that *sigh*. I guess level 4 will be a little bit easier.

No, I didn't have any items for the mini games yet, but I went and explored very early on and found a wand game and some reflecting game with the mirror shield, so whenever the time comes I'll go play those.

As for the bomb upgrade in level 2, I could easily go back and buy hearts and get my sword back without dying, so it never felt like I needed the firerang (I did notice in level 3 there's a wall to the west that I need to bomb but there's a lot of red b item jinxes before it, and I immediately thought of needing the firerang for that).


Anyways, I'll report back with a review and more screenshots showing my musings/frustrations/whatever throughout the last half of the game, in a couple of days hopefully.

One question though James, are you planning on making a Forever/DX version of this quest? I can't imagine you reducing the difficulty, but if there were some sections that you felt could be structured better, or ideas you thought after Liberation 1 was released, would you do a 'remake' at all, or would you just go to a new quest entirely?

EDIT - comment on ouch's death knight post - the FFV battle music (I'm pretty sure that's what's used) is the perfect theme for the death knights. Their speed and sense of danger fits so perfect with that theme. I'll comment more on the music used when I beat and review the game, but so far it's excellent on so many levels.

Edited by yowza, 21 April 2012 - 07:37 PM.

[James24]

Its true that I know what's on every screen, but you can easily create an alternate cheating version with gold ring and fire 'rang just to have a look-see whilst not altering your original uncheated version.

Yes, I'm currently working on a future version. I call it The Liberation of Hyrule: Insanity's End...coz that's where the difficulty will lie - where the insanity stops and the impossible begins. You're right, I will never ever ever reduce difficulty. But I do accept criticism that sometimes players had to repeat difficult screens too many times - so I will redistribute the difficulty such that you shouldn't have to repeat difficult screens too many times. When I wrote the original, I didn't know how to script, I didn't know what FFCs were and I didn't know about the advanced graphics out there. The new one will include all those things - plus many things I wanted to do but didn't have the know-how.

[yowza]

Some progress before I sleep:

Beat level 4, 'gained' another 10 deaths on the way. I missed the raft that was hiding in plain sight though, but now I have another couple of HC thanks to the minigames. Beat the spike one on my second try, and the wand one after maybe a dozen.



Fear the whistle, and fear the fire. Once one dies, the rest will all follow quickly

Now here's my dilemma with level 5 and 6:

Spoiler

So these death knights are taking 15 or so beams with the white sword, and I notice the L3 sword is being teased in level 6. I died another dozen times to the hookshot death knight as I can't seem to get a lucky break, which I assume I need to get the ladder also in level 5, which leads to many great things such as the lens of truth and other stepladder tiles I've noticed elsewhere including level 7, which also teases the firerang.

Anyways, I figure I should get the L3 sword which will make these death knight fights with the sword enabled much easier, yet I'm having quite the hard time getting past the third room (invisible octoroks?). I get desperate and go all the way to the east where I'm offered to give bait + my shield for the amulet -- but in the same room with the L3 sword I see an amulet there. I guess I'm taking the easy way out if I get the amulet first by giving up bait?

I then realize I have no idea where I can get bait without going to the HQ, when I remember...



Candle to the rescue once again...

So basically I need to decide whether to try and brute force level 6 and get the L3 sword so I can beat level 5 easier, or try to somehow do level 5 first, get the hookshot/ladder/etc and come more prepared for level 6.

Ack, on a whim, I decide to try the hookshot room in level 5 again:

Spoiler

On my very first try after putting this level on rest for a few hours I won... YES

[James24]

What about the sword and candle game? I reckon that's the hardest minigame of all. The spikes game was there to train people on how to beat the spiked dodongos so I didn't make it all that hard - contrary to my usual nature

Well done on beating the hookshot death knight. That takes some doing. Yes and I did intend for (some) death knights to take 15 shots. But if players really had a hard time of it and can complete level 6 (I haven't done this myself so I don't know if its possible or doable) then they can make Level 5 easier for themselves.

There is a bait in level 2 for getting the bow. There's a bait in level 3 for getting the bracelet. There should be another bait in level 4 where some dodongos are protecting a fire. If you've played AQF you'll know what to do. Use that to get the amulet if you want it. The first gauntlet of level 6 requires that you either play with invisible enemies and magic shield OR visible enemies with no magic shield. Your choice. But at the end, the amulet and magic shield are handed to you.

You should have 11 hearts by the time you attempt level 6, otherwise you're at a disadvantage - but you are more than welcome to try. Midway through level 6 when you get the mirror shield, get another one from the mirror shield mini-game. Then there's another heart at the end of level 6 if you beat the mirror wizzrobe boss. So that should take you to 13 hearts at the end of level 6. I also recommend that you try to get the fire 'rang from level 7 before you try level 6 - but its up to you - I made my game non-linear.

You're a very good player to have lasted this long without cheating or giving up. In fact, you've gone farther than anyone I know. Well done! May you be the first player besides me to have completed without cheating.

[yowza]

Thanks, but there's some problems in level 7 and getting the firerang that I'm stuck on:

Spoiler

Okay, there was this obstacle course with a couple of checkpoints in the form of bombable walls. The second bombable wall was west and north from this screen. I don't understand the point of it? There's a doctor 2 north from this screenshot so I don't understand what the point was with going east from the starting room, dodging several rooms only to wind up with another doctor that doesn't help.

Am I actually supposed to push myself through this room east with candle damage to get the firerang? I noticed in the firerang room there's a bombable wall east, which I assume is where I come out of once I go through all the rooms (I almost made it, died in the room with the digdoggers, blue darknuts, and whistle tiles, but I have no clue if that path leads to the hammer or firerang room...).



Also, I wandered to the northwestern part to get to here - is it recommended I proceed further only once I got the firerang?

Just for kicks I went on to try level 8, I bombed several walls to the first robber checkpoint, however without the firerang or L3 sword (or most importantly, no shield), I'm guessing I should save level 8 for later. I don't even know what item I'm going for other than I can unlock 500 rupee checkpoints if I manage to reach them.

Also, what/where's the sword and candle game? Is it on the overworld somewhere? I got a clue a while ago that said blow your whistle in the middle of triple eye rock.. don't know if that's related.

[James24]

Spoiler

You need to enter the fire 'rang room with your items intact. If you enter it from the south, you'll get knocked by the jinx. The only way is to enter it from the west. Entering it from the west means that you need to get candle damage to push yourself through. The bombable wall to the east leads to a dead end with a bomb upgrade. You need to go around the loop of jinxes to get the fire 'rang.

You can wander further to get the hammer but unless you got a ton of bombs, it'll be a very short ride. Use the fire 'rang to get as many bomb upgrades as you can before going there.

The prize for level 8 should be obvious...its the last piece of the triforce and the key to unlocking Link's tomb with all his advanced weapons. But the immediate goal for level 8 should be the boss key which you can only get by getting rid of the robbers, one way or another.

The sword and candle game is located south of the rebel HQ. If you go to the south west of the HQ, there's some stairs leading to the beach. Just go south and you can't miss it. But its probably the most difficult mini-game on the face of planet earth - but its possible. The triple eye rock thing was something that you needed to do to get the triforce from level 4.

[Gleeok]

Yowzas yowza, good job getting that far. Maybe I'm not /too/ far behind you.

Had a simultaneous death with the Ghoma, classic. An eye for an eye eh? (double pun intended) Good news is fortress three is not as hard as the first two, but I have not found any death knight battles that give hearts. Did I miss something?

[DarkFlameSheep]

Edit:I deleted this post by several reasons.

Edited by DarkFlame Sheep, 17 August 2020 - 08:51 PM.

[James24]

For death knight battles that give Heart Container Pieces, check level 5 on the beach to the north. Seriously? I think level 3 is quite difficult, especially the boss battles at the end. I don't know too many players who can beat a 4 headed gleeok with 6 hearts and a wooden sword. Or 10 blue knights with a white sword and 8 hearts. Or two manhandlas with 6 hearts and a bow 'n' arrow. Well, kudos to you if you find that easy.

[yowza]

No, no no no, I can't believe it, this must be the worst failure I've encountered in this quest (level 8 ):

Spoiler

So I am on the top row of the map, near the triforce room, needing a 5 rupee kill from the LAST bat to go from 495->500 and pay the last robber in this level next to the giant patra boss.

It gives me one rupee...

Back to finishing level 7 instead (died a few times in the 9-10 digdogger room which I think gives me a key).

Oh yeah, I found the candle/sword minigame. I beat the right one (lower time limit) in maybe 15 tries. I can't beat the left one (tried 30 times, made it to the heart tile once, I can't seem to string together a dozen or so candle usages without one being slightly off in timing...). Guess I'll try it after I beat the regular quest, but I can probably live without those 2 heart pieces.

[Gleeok]

kudos to you if you find that easy.

What, there's no way that I said that it. Gleeok logic simply stipulates that:
A) ridiculously hard-1 < ridiculously hard.
B) Na-na, na-na, boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo.

IIRC, James Quest 1 (maybe 2)?, had a 3-header with 6 hearts and a wooden sword.

No, but seriously. I'd like to see more sequences where it's OK to make a few minor mistakes and it's still possible to finish without dying. One slight slip up often means death. When I'm playing it I feel like the game was designed to test the next gen of AI or something, and not for humans to be playing. ..I feel like many parts or this quest so far is almost devoid of humanity.

[James24]

You can make a few slipups but not too many. And no major ones like getting hit by the pols voice or the gohma or the spikes. But I think you and Yowza are right, you need to play close to perfection at the beginning to get through the first 2 levels. After that, you can afford a few mistakes because you have more hearts. That's just how I like to play I guess.

I initially had a 3 headed gleeok there but when I was able to beat it without taking any damage I upgraded it.

@Yowza. That's very unlucky. Maybe you could try improving your gambling skills But seriously, its a luxury to pay off that last robber. Its not strictly necessary since if you beat the Lvl 3 patra you will get 200 rupees which should be more than enough. But to beat that last patra is in my view, the second most difficult thing on my quest. Just try and you'll see why. Yes, and you've got the idea right for the candle room that's so hard. You need to use your red candle to propel yourself over the horrible spikes that can kill with 1 hit. Can be done, but soooooo hard.

Edited by James24, 23 April 2012 - 11:43 PM.