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[Tree]

The DLC isn't really piquing my interest at the moment, but if I hear some great things about it, I may get it. Otherwise, I feel like the released product will fully satisfy. I'm not sure why there's a backlash, though. Seems kinda silly to me, honestly. 

[Nicholas Steel]

Honestly, I don't understand why people are so resistant to DLC. This is stuff they actually don't have time to finish in the next 2.5 weeks, and unless all of you want this damn game to get delayed again, they can either have it as DLC or not at all. $20 isn't unreasonable for DLC, and it all seems like it'll be nice stuff to have. Either buy it or don't, but if you're mad that video games aren't like they were in "the good old days" (where games consistently came out with a considerable amount of content cut but didn't have a way to add it in), then frankly you just come off as resistant to change.

If it is something that they've run out of time to finish, than it should end up as part of a free patch once they finish it as it is part of what they originally budgeted for. Clearly this proposed content was always destined to be DLC from the beginning.

Edited by Nicholas Steel, 15 February 2017 - 06:42 AM.

[TheLegend_njf]

I don't think there's anything wrong with DLC in general, but is this dlc supposed to be available on release? There's no excuse for Day 1 dlc and I find that to be abusing the point of DLC. Having DLC available at release is purposefully putting a paywall on content to make extra $$$. Some people may argue "That's why companies do it", but if that's the argument, they don't understand DLCs or what it should be anyways. 

 

Now I've read some comments here suggesting that DLC content for Breath of the Wild is post content that is currently being developed but planned to be released later. This is something I feel is fine since they don't want to delay the game after the launch, but my god, they had plenty of time to complete this game, it's shocking how long this game has taken them. lol

[Nicholas Steel]

It wouldn't surprise me if the game is being made with the Unreal 4 Engine, it would explain why it took so long (Nintendo had no experience with that engine) and why their now supposedly providing good support for that engine (they're now familiar with it).

Edited by Nicholas Steel, 15 February 2017 - 07:50 AM.

[LinktheMaster]

I don't think there's anything wrong with DLC in general, but is this dlc supposed to be available on release? There's no excuse for Day 1 dlc and I find that to be abusing the point of DLC. Having DLC available at release is purposefully putting a paywall on content to make extra $$$. Some people may argue "That's why companies do it", but if that's the argument, they don't understand DLCs or what it should be anyways. 

 

Now I've read some comments here suggesting that DLC content for Breath of the Wild is post content that is currently being developed but planned to be released later. This is something I feel is fine since they don't want to delay the game after the launch, but my god, they had plenty of time to complete this game, it's shocking how long this game has taken them. lol

Eh, I think you're confusing day 1 DLC with on disk/cartridge DLC, but these things are not always the same. A game is usually finished or goes gold around a month before it hits the shelves. (To be precise, BotW went gold last week.) And, even before that, games are usually in bug fix mode, which doesn't require the full development team. That means that during that time, there are a lot of graphic designers, item designers, etc. that either have to move on to other projects or focus on DLC. Depending on the content, this can easily be done before the game hits shelves, but would have meant pushing the release of the game maybe a week or two. The day 1 DLC is what? One shirt and two useful items? (Probably some nicer weapons or clothing or something.) They're things that are easily made in a short amount of time.

 

Of course, if it is confirmed to be on cartridge/disk DLC, that's a different story.

 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the game is being made with the Unreal 4 Engine, it would explain why it took so long (Nintendo had no experience with that engine) and why their now supposedly providing good support for that engine (they're now familiar with it).

I doubt that is the case, and I don't think any major upcoming Nintendo game we currently know about is going to be using it. For one BotW is still coming out on the Wii U, which UE4 is not compatible with. Secondly, they already had their own engine which had a lot of the basics of what they needed, so for the foreseeable future, it probably makes sense just to use it since, even if they're familiar with UE4, they're going to be more familiar with their own engine. They probably just became familiar with it so that they can help out 3rd party developers since, at least according to the Snake Pass developers, Nintendo has been extraordinarily supportive of 3rd party devs, answering questions about how to do stuff very quickly.

[MarinaraSauce]

You mean how they charged $20 for the DLC packs on the Wii U ($60) then ported it to the 3DS ($40) with all of the DLC for free and then added exclusive content you can't have all of on the Wii U despite paying twice the price? Oh and the costume packs were sold specifically to screw the people who pre-ordered the Wii U game so you had to buy costumes you already had? I get it was more Koei Tecmo doing this, but that was a really scummy move for Nintendo to allow that to happen.
 
Smash4 and Mario Kart 8 were done fine though. Just wish we had an option to get the Deluxe characters on the Wii U version for Mario Kart 8, but that's part of their big selling point for the Switch Port I suppose so that isn't going to happen.

You gotta admit though, Hyrule Warriors' DLC had a ridiculous amount of content. Honestly I don't mind the price tag too much.

[Anthus]

Either buy it or don't, but if you're mad that video games aren't like they were in "the good old days" (where games consistently came out with a considerable amount of content cut but didn't have a way to add it in), then frankly you just come off as resistant to change.

Uh, that's not what I said at all. I never said I'm mad cause it's not like back in the day, and if you've read any posts of mine, I'm hardly "resistant to change". I understand that DLC can be done right, and for the most part is by Nintendo, but there are certainly cases were it is done really badly, so you can drop the attitude.

[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

I don't understand why any of you are debating the value of content we don't even know more than a few keywords about anyway. I'm with you guys that are somewhat skeptical though. That is understandable, and Nintendo particularly does not have a recent history that invites high expectations.

 

At the same time, until we actually know what these DLC's include there isn't really that much to be said about it, is there? I know with myself that I will likely end up buying it, mostly because I'm a schmuck but also because I'm interested to see what Nintendo might do with an actual expansion to the story, standalone or otherwise. However, solid DLC expansions are few and far between - last ones I played was The Witcher 3's, which were better than the main game. That never happens, and because of that I see no reason not to wait until we actually have some real legitimate information about this stuff.

 

There's many valid points to be made here, but I would hesitate a little to run to Nintendo's defense - Nintendo doesn't care about any of you, to them you're a digit in a much larger number. They want your money and to them a perfect world is one where you're telling all your friends to preorder as well because you want to justify your own future purchases. Don't be that guy, if Nintendo wants you to do that, at least have them pay you.

 

Not wanting to preorder something is ultimately only healthy for this industry as a whole. The perceived benefits you get from doing so are not real, and it only really benefits the corporate machine that fuels the company. And I say that as someone who has an order in for the Switch. I'm a big stinking hypocrite, but let's at least acknowledge this about ourselves.

Edited by Migokalle, 15 February 2017 - 08:46 PM.

[MarinaraSauce]

Uh, that's not what I said at all. I never said I'm mad cause it's not like back in the day, and if you've read any posts of mine, I'm hardly "resistant to change". I understand that DLC can be done right, and for the most part is by Nintendo, but there are certainly cases were it is done really badly, so you can drop the attitude.

I wasn't referring to you in particular. I was talking about an attitude I've seen people have to an obnoxious degree in other places, and to an extent here as well.

[Shane]

It took me a while to make this post because I know I might get backlash but I think this post is far from harmful and toxic as some I imagine might claim.

 

Anyways, this whole thing is bugging me. Not the DLC but the way the community (the Zelda community, or perhaps even the Nintendo community in general) has divided the community into two sections: you either love it or you hate it. There's no middle ground to most people I see when I check comments and replies in discussion threads. I myself have been personally called "salty" and "raging" elsewhere despite merely expressing my skepticism which apparently I'm not allowed to have. Given we know nothing beyond a few keywords like "new hard mode" and "new dungeon", I'm pretty damn sure people including myself have every right to be skeptical about this.

 

Remember when Twilight Princess HD was getting a brand new dungeon and days if not weeks later it was revealed to be a Cave of Ordeals edit behind an amiibo? Yeah, I'm not falling for this and getting my hopes up.

 

I'll vote with my wallet in that I will not simply pay for it on the spot. I would rather wait to see what kind of content we're talking about. If it goes beyond my expectations I will buy it. If say, new hard mode is just minor changes such as increased damage and weapons break easier and the new story is just a glorified sidequest then yeah, I'm not paying for it.

 

So what am I saying in regards to my vote? Simple: I'm waiting for Nintendo to handle this better before I make proper judgement but until then I'm on the fence. But to some people this fence doesn't exist and I've been painted as this angry person who's resistant to change. Yeah, it's simple, I won't buy it if I don't like it. I know Nintendo's not forcing me to pay but I have a right to speak openly about my thoughts as much as the people who are hyped for this and who are "true Zelda fans" for not questioning this annoucement. The DLC itself is not bothering me anymore, it's how people react to slightly controversial views on this matter now. It's really bothersome since it's personally affected me elsewhere. I'm pumped for the game but I'm wanting to know more about this DLC before I make proper judgement than expect big things from it without any real evidence. I'm not saying it will be terrible, but I just don't want to assume it will the best thing either. I say it's too early to make a vote with your wallet.

 

That said, I hope Nintendo provides amazing DLC, I don't think anyone would want otherwise. People are just worried is all, with such vague details I personally can't blame them. Most of these sound like stuff that could be included in patches (such as new map features and items). This isn't negative at all.

 

It also doesn't help that Nintendo ended the game's marketing on such a sour note. After they did so well too.

 

So what's the moral of my post? I don't know, I just wanted to get this off my chest. I guess the moral is that people can be skeptical about things they themselves are excited for. But that should be obvious.

[TheLegend_njf]

I don't care for it. I disagree with it but I just don't care about this Zelda controversy other than the mild trolling and debating I did in the discord server. I guess that would probably put me in the middle. lol

[Nicholas Steel]

A lot of the console accessories are ridiculously expensive, dearer than Wii, Wii U, PS3, Xbox360, PS4 and Xbox One accessories when those consoles launched! There's literally no reason to get a Switch on launch day unless you really, really like wasting money. Here's a big question for y'all, will the DLC be available for the Wii U version?

[The Satellite]

The DLC has been confirmed for Wii U, yes. If it wasn't, that'd be a huge slap in the face to faithful Wii U owners who had been waiting so long for the game and are holding out from the Switch.

[Anthus]

Only 336 more hours. Well, technically less, which is better.

What version are you guys getting first? I plan on getting both (only series I do that for) but I already ordered the Wii U version cause the Switch is not available at GameStop atm.

[MoscowModder]

Are you just getting both because you want to collect everything Zelda, or do you really want to see what the differences are? Or perhaps so your Wii U doesn't get lonely?

 

I'm planning to get the game with the Switch on launch day... if I can find it in stock on launch day, having decided against pre-ordering. Some shop has to have some non-preorder in stock on launch day, right? Right?