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[Moosh]

Time to complain about a certain plot element.

OMEGA ULTRA SUPER DUPER DEADLY SPOILERS

It ticks me off to no end that Link used the FRIGGEN TRIFORCE to kill Demise in the present, but when Girahim found a loophole and took Zelda to the past, Link went after him without taking the completed triforce with him. Ultimate power could be kinda useful against a demon lord and an evil god of destruction, y'know?

[Chakaa]

Skyward Sword gave me inspiration :3
I'm going to start a new quest soon using many of the elements from Skyward Sword. I'm focusing on how to incorporated a treasure/upgrade/crafting system without the use of scripting. Hopefully I'll be able to do that with the extra counters for treasures and string control codes for checking which level item Link has, then checking if Link has enough treasures, then replace whatever he's trying to upgrade with the new item and removing the correct amount of treasures.

Well, I still have to actually finish Skyward Sword before I can start that, I finished the 5th dungeon yesterday!

[HylianGlaceon]

Well, this is where we start getting into opinions. Personally, I felt that the dungeon design was some of the best in the entire series. The 5th dungeon wasn't that great, but the rest were really good, but they definitely were different. Personally, I liked the more condensed, yet lengthy dungeons. Though I will admit that they will be rather short on a second run through once you know the puzzles.

I finished the game just now, myself.

Spoilers for the end of the game

I do admit that the actual final boss Demise wasn't what I expected. It could have been a lot better, but it was still difficult, at least for me. It took a couple tries before getting the hang of it. As far as length goes, I don't think it was too short. IMO, you need to include Ghirahim. He was pretty much part of the final boss, but it's obvious that they were worried it would be too difficult to face him, then immediately face Demise. It's sort of like the Puppet Ganon at the end of WW. You could tell that they wanted you to go directly from Puppet Ganon to face Ganondorf, but they were worried it would be too difficult. (It really wouldn't have been, but WW was definitely easy on the player.)

I do admit that they could have done more with the game, though. Especially when it comes to intertwining the stories of SS and OoT. There's still quite a bit of space there. Maybe they plan for a handheld sequel like they did with PH, I dunno. But there's definitely some gaps in the story.

I also sort of expected them to end Fi some how. I mean, she said she would be resting in the Master Sword. Why don't you see her in the other games? (I know it's because SS was made after the other games.) But that's definitely a plot hole, and a big, obvious one too.

Still, it's an amazing game. I'll have to think about it, but I think it might hit best Zelda game to me. It certainly righted all the wrongs of the past few Zelda games, but there were also some newly created problems that could have been addressed too. I liked going back to the old areas, but I felt like them using all of those fetch quests got old... but they just kept bringing them on throughout the game.

I dunno. I definitely felt like it could have been better, but it was definitely amazing.

I felt I should put this under a spoiler tag in case..

My opinions on all the dungeons, slight spoilers

I actually liked the 5th dungeon a bit, oddly. It was one of those dungeons that you couldn't really tell was a dungeon. The 1st dungeon was nice looking, but way too small and short. The 2nd dungeon was similar to the first except I really liked the music more than how it looked. The 3rd dungeon was probably where I felt the length got to what the dungeons should be, just the gimmick for that dungeon kinda felt a little overused for some reason to me. The 4th and 6th dungeons were okay, I felt the 4th dungeon was cool and all, but it didn't really go as far as it should've with the darker side. The 6th dungeon was probably my least favorite. The music sucked and it was pretty much the most boring dungeon ever. Plus the dungeon item is more along a "Who cares?" type of item than one you're excited to get. 7th dungeon was a really cool idea, but it was too little and a bit late in the game. I think it should've gone more into floors with the rooms like that.

And for the end of game..

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I suppose, but TP had 4 stages to the final boss, and I wanted to see something like that again. Not this, slash him 10 times, then go through this lightning gimmick thing. Plus we could carry 8 potions in a way if you upgrade them, so I doubt it'd be too hard on people. But I get what you mean. It's still kind of a lame final boss.

I almost think you're right with a sequel, as pretty much nothing was explained or connected to OoT. The legends in OoT actually state other things happened, so perhaps the next game will actually show what happened before OoT.

That makes sense with Fi, but I guess they got lazy or something. There's quite a bit that actually connects better to TP, than OoT, despite TP being hundreds of years away. Skyloft being City in the Sky and the provinces having the same names in TP and different in OoT.

I've probably mentioned this before, but anyhow; They also seem to forget about Zelda having feelings for Link which bugged me quite a bit. But that may just be me wanting to see them get together after all the stuff that they (mostly Link) had to go through.. In the first chapter on Skyloft they hint so heavy that she likes him, then he goes through all this to save her and we never see anything come of those feelings. It's like the old Zelda on Skyloft is gone and the new one was just using him in the long run.

[Moon]

Beat the first dungeon, game is pretty good so far.

[LinktheMaster]

In response to HylianGlaceon...

My opinions on all the dungeons

Dungeon 1, I thought was okay. I knew most of it, so I wasn't too surprised by much. That first puzzle did confuse me a bit, but I was mostly being dumb. I had the right idea, but didn't pull it through. Once you got past that, though, it was really small. Dungeon 2 was also okay. I liked it about the same as the first. Dungeon 3 was really cool to me. As soon as the "gimmick" of the dungeon was starting to get old, they introduced new elements like the moving minecarts and such. Dungeon 4 was interesting and pretty clever. I really liked it, but I agree the underworld could have been added to. Dungeon 5 was just annoying. I do agree the premise was interesting because it didn't feel as much like a dungeon to me. In fact, I wasn't sure that it was actually a dungeon until I got the map. Still, the actual design of the place was repetitive and uninteresting to me. I really liked Dungeon 6, though. The item wasn't the best, but the way the dungeon wrapped around was awesome. Dungeon 7 had an awesome puzzle, but it was short. To be honest, if it didn't have a map, I wouldn't even call it a dungeon.

It's really obvious that they went for an entirely different strategy this time, though. Rather than make huge, sprawling dungeons like in TP, they made more condensed dungeons, then made the puzzles require a little more though. Pretty much all of the dungeons (except for number 3) stumped me a bit, and I found myself wandering around 5-10 minutes to figure out what to do. I actually had to look up some help a couple times. Granted, pretty much every time I was on the right track, I just didn't do something quite right. (I didn't bomb the right wall, didn't find the right place/time to shoot an arrow, etc.)

That's really the philosophy they took throughout the game, though. Rather than have huge areas/dungeons with sections you visit once and never come back to, why not have central areas where you leave, then come back to? It's a different design, and obviously it's not something for everyone. I'll be honest that I like the huge spanning areas of Twilight Princess, but I really enjoyed the change in philosophies.

Spoilers about the end of the game

I also would have liked something more to develop between Link and Zelda. I don't think they entirely dropped the romance between them, but they definitely didn't develop it further. I think they did that because they (like many companies) don't want to set a relationship because lots of fans always have their favorite couples, and they didn't want to alienate those fans.

If you've played Tales of Symphonia, that's a huge example of this. Despite the fact that obviously the story would have preferred Lloyd and Colette to be together, they didn't establish an actual relationship between them because some fans would have preferred Lloyd and Sheena to be together, or Lloyd and Raine.

Still, I would have preferred something a little more solid. At least a hug, like you said.

[Jared]

Well...oh my God. I finished Skyward Sword. Amazing game. May just as well be the best in the series....oh my God.

[Tree]

Damn Jared, you are fast!

Along with alot of other people that have beaten the game already.
there's absolutely nothing wrong with playing through a game fast, (It's hard to put the controller down when it's such a good game) but I prefer to savor the awesomeness of a game so epically awesome

[LinktheMaster]

Well, I wanted to get it out of the way so it didn't get in the way of college, so that's why I rushed through it.

[Anthus]

I just finished up the fourth dungeon, and am ready to enter the fifth. I have to say, the third dungeon is my favorite so far. It really felt like a 3D game boy dungeon to me. It was also a 'theme' never before seen in a 3D Zelda, to an extent. Also, the

Spoiler

time travel

was very nicely implemented.

So far, I can see how many plot/ story elements are things that can be "seen" or "mentioned" in later games in the time line.

[Warrior_of_Death]

I just finished it. Nintendo compensates the "Ocarina of Time #4" effect with a legendary story. Yes, legendary. It's not just the same rehashed crap from the past 20 games. It touches on the basics (save the princess, link, master sword, bow and arrows!) but does something completely different with it all. The gameplay (literally, in regards to the wiimote and the wiimotion plus integration) is pretty great. The only awkward things were swimming and rolling bombs but the tech can only do so much. That said, the actual game itself? It's a zelda game. There's dungeons, Sword n Shield usage, and enemies to poke holes in. Graphics? If you want realism go look out your goddamned window. The music was mundane in parts but that's not to say it didn't fit the environment like a glove.

There's my summary. I know someone's gonna complain about spoilers so here's another one: Eastmost Peninsual is the secret.

Controls: 9/10
Gameplay: 7/10
Story: 11/10
Graphics: 8/10
Music: 10/10
Worth the $50/$70?: ∞^2

[HylianGlaceon]

In response to HylianGlaceon...

Spoilers about the end of the game

I also would have liked something more to develop between Link and Zelda. I don't think they entirely dropped the romance between them, but they definitely didn't develop it further. I think they did that because they (like many companies) don't want to set a relationship because lots of fans always have their favorite couples, and they didn't want to alienate those fans.

If you've played Tales of Symphonia, that's a huge example of this. Despite the fact that obviously the story would have preferred Lloyd and Colette to be together, they didn't establish an actual relationship between them because some fans would have preferred Lloyd and Sheena to be together, or Lloyd and Raine.

Still, I would have preferred something a little more solid. At least a hug, like you said.

Responding to LTM...

End of game spoilers

But I don't think those people would care, I mean what other women are there that Link could possibly date instead of Zelda? Karene or whatever her name is, is the only other girl at the Knight Academy and gets together with Pipit through a side quest, and there's really no one else in town who would even slightly make a match for Link.

I'm playing through Hero Mode right now and watching some of the cutscenes again, and I noticed something... SS Link doesn't really seem to want this destiny of saving the world. You can tell in the cutscene with the Temple of Time's Gate of Time breaking that he seems disappointed that Zelda is gone again. If he was accepting this destiny, you'd think he'd have a different expression on his face and would be okay with her hiding from Ghirahim. He does seem like he just wants to have her back and doesn't really care too much about saving the world. (He doesn't even accept the Goddess Sword until Fi mentions he'll need it to save Zelda).

So yeah, I guess it doesn't matter too much, but it still bothers me when I play through it again. I guess it's meant to be more of a tease than anything. It's not too likely we'll ever see SS Link again anyhow as we don't seem to use the same Link in more than one game now.

I was also reminded how awesome the cutscene with Link and Groose was when you visit the Sealed Grounds after the third dungeon. Link's expression when Groose grabs him is priceless.

@Ventus:

Boss Tips

For that fight you have to use quite a few of Groose's Bombs, just try using those whenever they're available (except when Imprisoned is sliding on it's belly, I believe it still does that during this fight, you'll lose the Bomb when the cutscene comes of it pushing out the seal) and avoiding the shockwaves it gets when it walks. When it's stunned, try taking out the front toenails first, as you can probably take out the back ones while it walks. There's not much else to the fight, I also have problems with it sometimes.

[Warrior_of_Death]

@hylianglaceon:

Spoiler

Link doesn't want to accept his destiny. He knows he has to, and isn't entirely sure what everyone says is true. All he wants is to rescue zelda, his beloved childhood friend. When he finally does meet zelda in the temple in the sealed grounds she says she used him because she knew that Link would flip mountains over to save zelda if he had to, hence him being the hero and zelda getting kidnapped and etc.
tl;dr: Link will flip some motherf***ing mountains over to save Zelda, which means he will fulfill his destiny as the Goddess's chosen Hero.

[HylianGlaceon]

@hylianglaceon:

Spoiler

Link doesn't want to accept his destiny. He knows he has to, and isn't entirely sure what everyone says is true. All he wants is to rescue zelda, his beloved childhood friend. When he finally does meet zelda in the temple in the sealed grounds she says she used him because she knew that Link would flip mountains over to save zelda if he had to, hence him being the hero and zelda getting kidnapped and etc.
tl;dr: Link will flip some motherf***ing mountains over to save Zelda, which means he will fulfill his destiny as the Goddess's chosen Hero.

@warrior of death:

Spoiler

Yeah, I kinda forgot about that cutscene. So I guess the legend in a way was really formed more on a trick than actually courage to save the world like we were expecting. Sounds a bit of a cruddy way to begin the legend in a way...

In non-spoiler news, I have gotten all 20 hearts, getting some of the Pieces of Hearts were a real pain, like worse than some in MM.

[Shane]

This hidden tag contains MASSIVE SPOILERS! So if you haven't finish the game don't open it.

Ending Plot Spoilers

I found Zelda being the goddess quite amazing (especially her line "I'm still your Zelda" best line ever!) considering this would explain how Zelda powers in the previous titles. I also find Level 7's gimmick pretty interesting, how you can shift 8 rooms on a 3x3 gird stone slab. I also found obtaining the Triforce on of the most epic scenes in Zelda history. I also found Ghirahim insulting Groose's hair quite funny... Not to mention Ghirahim's little dance before he starts the spell. XD I decided to stop there for now and battle him and most likely, the Demon King, Demise

I'm going to write a (spoiler free) review soon too.

[Nicholas Steel]

In non-spoiler news, I have gotten all 20 hearts, getting some of the Pieces of Hearts were a real pain, like worse than some in MM.

So, 20 hearts is the max? Excluding certain upgrades?