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[The Satellite]

I'm definitely looking forward for Ruby and Sapphire remakes.

I wouldn't count on it. I thought the reason they allowed access to the Hoenn starters and legendaries in HG/SS was so that those Pokémon could be available in Gen IV without the need of back-trading, and would also eliminate the need to remake R/S/E. Besides, visually, those games still hold up well. R/B/Y and G/S/C were the ones that needed a face-lift.

[Russ]

Visually held up? You do realize that Hoenn is the only region that's still in 2D, right? Every other region has been in 3D. It's about time we get a 3D remake of it.

I'm definitely looking forward for Ruby and Sapphire remakes.

I'd much rather see an Emerald remake. R/S were okay, but Emerald was 10 times better, easily.

[Christian]

Visually held up? You do realize that Hoenn is the only region that's still in 2D, right? Every other region has been in 3D. It's about time we get a 3D remake of it.
I'd much rather see an Emerald remake. R/S were okay, but Emerald was 10 times better, easily.

I especially want the music of Hoenn re-done. If they are going to do Ruby and Sapphire remakes (which is very likely), they are going to do what they did with HG/SS and implement everything that emerald had in it and more.

[The Satellite]

Visually held up? You do realize that Hoenn is the only region that's still in 2D, right? Every other region has been in 3D. It's about time we get a 3D remake of it.

I don't mean 3D, just that R/S/E was the beginning of areas that didn't look plain, which R/B/Y/G/S/C's areas definitely did.

If they are going to do Ruby and Sapphire remakes (which is very likely)

How is it likely? Tell me. Honestly. R/B/Y were the originals and G/S/C were ground-breaking beyond belief for the series, so they easily deserved remakes. What makes R/S/E worthy of a remake? I just don't see it.

[AgentLym]

A Hoenn remake would be the awesomeness on a bun. The music was (or, rather, is) amazing and memorable (I find myself humming a few 3rd gen tunes pretty often), and the locations were original. And, like they did with HGSS, they would probably add many new features (and not remove the Battle Frontier they had in Emerald).

As for why, money, easy. Pokemon is still incredibly popular, and remaking the games so that all gens are available on a single system is very appealing to "collectors" (not really collectors, but people like me, who like to have series completed). Makes good business sense to me. But, imagine Fortree City (is that the right spelling?) in 3D, or that one city in that volcanic (or was it meteoric? It was soo long ago) crater in the middle of the ocean. Imagine diving (I always loved to dive), and finding the Regis and stuff. I'd get the remake, no doubt.

Edited by AgentLym, 24 April 2010 - 06:15 PM.

[Russ]

What makes R/S/E worthy of a remake? I just don't see it.

A Battle Frontier with seven different facilities.
Two evil teams competing against each other and you.
An incredibly fast paced almost story-driven adventure.
Two champions (similar to HG/SS/G/S/C).
Two rivals.
An amazing soundtrack.
A city floating on the water.
A city built in the treetops of a jungle.
A city inside a volcano.
The ability to dive top the bottom of the ocean.
A region that isn't a giant circle for you to go around, but rather a complex maze of routes.

And the list goes on...

[Adem]

What makes R/S/E worthy of a remake? I just don't see it.

Honestly, I don't think it is, though I'm in favor of a remake. R/S/E have a lot of potential, but just downright stink as they are now. If they remade them and did a better job, I'm sure it could redeem the Hoenn region.

[The Satellite]

A Battle Frontier with seven different facilities.

Optional thing, yawn.

Two evil teams competing against each other and you.

Just another Team Rocket-type deal, which grew old.

An incredibly fast paced almost story-driven adventure.

Can't say much on this yet, but it is alright so far.

Two champions (similar to HG/SS/G/S/C).

Um... Aren't they only different between R/S and E? Like, Steven Stone in R/S, and Wallace in E? Not the same. Besides, Red's more epic.

Two rivals.

Meh, sounds more annoying than one rival, who was annoying at times.

An amazing soundtrack.

No. Very forgettable, and the wild encounter theme get on my nerves quickly. G/S/C owns this by a long shot.

A city floating on the water.
A city built in the treetops of a jungle.
A city inside a volcano.

... Big deal?

At this point, I think you're just trying to come up with reasons to make your list seem longer...

The ability to dive top the bottom of the ocean.

Eh, don't see what's so special about that. I mean, G/S/C could let you climb waterfalls and cross whirlpools! Doesn't that sound exciting?! ... Actually, it was a chore.

A region that isn't a giant circle for you to go around, but rather a complex maze of routes.

A region's a region. Big deal.

I really don't see how this all can compare to the introduction of genders, breeding, day and night, a comprehensive device like the Pokégear, multiple Pokédex modes, and let's not forget getting to revisit Kanto and challenging Red!

Now seriously, take the R/S/E fanboy love to a different thread, and I won't bug you there. I want to talk about what this thread's meant to talk about, which they (and their originals) win over R/S/E or a remake of those any day.

[Russ]

Um... Aren't they only different between R/S and E? Like, Steven Stone in R/S, and Wallace in E? Not the same. Besides, Red's more epic.

Wallace is champion in Emerald, but you can still fight Steven Stone, who has a team about the same level as Red's, deep inside Meteor Falls.

No. Very forgettable, and the wild encounter theme get on my nerves quickly. G/S/C owns this by a long shot.

I'll admit, a couple of the songs are forgettable. But some are great. The Elite Four theme comes to mind. And I know you'll kill me for saying this, but I think Emerald's Champion music is better than G/S/C's. G/S/C's fit Red well, but didn't feel like a champion battle song. Emerald's did.

I want to talk about what this thread's meant to talk about, which they (and their originals) win over R/S/E or a remake of those any day.

Ya, there's no use arguing with somebody with nostalgia on his side. If you hadn't grown up with Silver, you'd agree with me. You're just blinded by the nostalgia factor involved.

[Koh]

...I see TS gets violently defensive for the originals & remakes. Hoenn's city & town tracks DO pwn, & I'd like to see remakes of them. Hoenn was another big circle, though. For region creativity, Sinnoh wins hands down & behind the back. As for content, G/S/C/HG/SS dominate, as NO OTHER GAMES allowed for 16 badges, & these contain the toughest trainer off all the games, who was the 9th champion of the League -- Red. When R/S/E first came, I thought they had 24 badges, & 3 regions ...

[Adem]

Ya, there's no use arguing with somebody with nostalgia on his side. If you hadn't grown up with Silver, you'd agree with me. You're just blinded by the nostalgia factor involved.

I'm on your side, but I also hated R/S/E. I just want there to be a better version of Hoenn. In the style of HG/SS, of course. I hope it's (if) not made like B/W with the funkadelic 3-D towns and weird battle screens.

Edited by Rem, 24 April 2010 - 06:53 PM.

[Christian]

Ya, there's no use arguing with somebody with nostalgia on his side. If you hadn't grown up with Silver, you'd agree with me. You're just blinded by the nostalgia factor involved.

Yea, this 100%.
Nostalgia can sometimes be a very bad thing for a person. It seems TS grew up with R/B/Y G/S/C and then lost interest in the series while some of us continued to grow and remained faithful to Pokemon. I think a remake of Hoenn would own Sinnoh and Johto. Hoenn's cities, routes, and towns were absolutely beautiful. Thinking about it, I've bought every version of pokemon to date

I mean, i started Pokemon in R/B/Y when it was a huge fad worldwide but then again i treat every Pokemon game equally. No nostalgia involved because they are all great in my opinion.

[The Satellite]

I'll admit, a couple of the songs are forgettable. But some are great. The Elite Four theme comes to mind. And I know you'll kill me for saying this, but I think Emerald's Champion music is better than G/S/C's. G/S/C's fit Red well, but didn't feel like a champion battle song. Emerald's did.

Ya, there's no use arguing with somebody with nostalgia on his side. If you hadn't grown up with Silver, you'd agree with me. You're just blinded by the nostalgia factor involved.

I went and listened to Emerald's Champion theme, and the first thing that came to mind was: How can you even say that? I thought it was a pathetic attempt at trying to sound epic, personally, when Lance's theme is the embodiment of epic. I dn't see how you can say it's more of a Champion theme, when the final showdown should have an epic feel, which Lance's theme captures perfectly in my opinion.

And I don't know about that. If I hadn't grown up with R/B/Y/G/S, I probably wouldn't have played Pokémon at all. And I prefer to see it as blessed with the nostalgia factor.

...I see TS gets violently defensive for the originals & remakes.

Nah, that's not violent. Violent would be pinning you up against the wall and shouting several of the Johto games' strong points and slapping you after naming each one.

Hoenn's city & town tracks DO pwn, & I'd like to see remakes of them.

Eh, the one's I've heard so far are forgettable. I do kinda like the route, though. Ya know, the same one used in the Hoenn Sound.

As for content, G/S/C/HG/SS dominate, as NO OTHER GAMES allowed for 16 badges, & these contain the toughest trainer off all the games, who was the 9th champion of the League -- Red.

Ninth? O_o

When R/S/E first came, I thought they had 24 badges, & 3 regions ...

Eh, I have a feeling that would eventually get old, too. I mean, there wasn't much to solve in G/S/C/HG/SS's Kanto, if there was anything at all, and I have a feeling that would repeat itself, so why bother having to travel through two eventless regions after the main one?

Besides that, I could be mistaken, but I think every game after R/B/Y (G/S/C/R/S/E/D/P/Pt) take place at the same time. Well, Gen II and another gen take place at the same time at least, if not all of them. So for story purposes, they probably couldn't justify going to the other regions while that region's game's events were going on.

Anyways, I was in Celadon today and talked to that man outside the gym. They changed his dialogue. He used to say "This gym is great! It's full of girls!" Now it says "This gym is great! It's full of strong trainers!" ... Which could be said about a lot of the other gyms, so now it makes the guy seem superfluous. Did Nintendo turn anti-peeper all of a sudden?

EDIT:

Yea, this 100%.
Nostalgia can sometimes be a very bad thing for a person. It seems TS grew up with R/B/Y G/S/C and then lost interest in the series while some of us continued to grow and remained faithful to Pokemon.

Alright, folks, let's leave the TS-bashing at home already. Take the R/S/E love to another thread. And no, R/S/E's cities and towns were bland in design. <_<

Honestly, I'm trying to get the thread moving back in its original purpose, it'd help if you contributed to that instead of continuing this derailment...

[Christian]

If I hadn't grown up with R/B/Y/G/S, I probably wouldn't have played Pokémon at all.

Then you would have grown with the Ruby and Sapphire games since Pokemon is still VERY popular >_> My little sister is in love with pearl because her first pokemon game was pearl and she loved the shows with dawn and her piplup and stuff. Believe it or not, This whole argument is based on nostalgia for the first 2 8-bit generations and not just bashing the series because you simply grew out of it and lost interest. But that ends this R/S/E discussion i guess.

Anyways, I was in Celadon today and talked to that man outside the gym. They changed his dialogue. He used to say "This gym is great! It's full of girls!" Now it says "This gym is great! It's full of strong trainers!" ... Which could be said about a lot of the other gyms, so now it makes the guy seem superfluous. Did Nintendo turn anti-peeper all of a sudden?

Alright, folks, let's leave the TS-bashing at home already. Take the R/S/E love to another thread. And no, R/S/E's cities and towns were bland in design. <_<

They changed the dialogue for a lot of things in the games. I guess they wanted the games to feel fresh and not have the same old boring dialogue in G/S/C.

EDIT: I still can't beat the improved Elite Four and Red? What is wrong with me? Do i need to bring 99 full restores and 99 revives? I hate using those healing items because it makes me feel like i'm cheating.

Edited by Christian, 24 April 2010 - 08:31 PM.

[Adem]

Anyways, I was in Celadon today and talked to that man outside the gym. They changed his dialogue. He used to say "This gym is great! It's full of girls!" Now it says "This gym is great! It's full of strong trainers!" ... Which could be said about a lot of the other gyms, so now it makes the guy seem superfluous. Did Nintendo turn anti-peeper all of a sudden?

I noticed that too. I guess they wanted to make it more kid friendly/less suggestive? Like when they turned the Cookie Monster into the Veggie monster.

But yeah, I noticed quite a bit of dialogue changes throughout Kanto.