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[pixcalibur]

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How to beat volcano boss? Need any special items, or is it just timing of hits?

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Once I go down, I seem to be trapped. Didn't find any areas to bomb or stairs or anything. Have to F6-Save to get out. Anything I'm missing?

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More than a few places to get this stepladder glitch, mostly on diagonal bits of land (gotten stuck in the swamp area as well). Yes I'm stuck in this picture. Have to F6-Continue to get out.

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Apparently this goron doesn't get save or anything. Does that have any relevance in this level?

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Can't seem to find the tunnel that leads over there. Where would I go to find that path?

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Anything beyone that point? Can't seem to stepladder over the gap. Or is that just an exit way?

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Anything to that door up north? Doesn't seem to be any way to ladder over to the door without having to trigger that block

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Hmm, strange that gotta wait a long time to get boots just to find nothing in here. Do I come here later or something?

Edited by pixcalibur, 24 November 2012 - 11:02 AM.

[ShadowTiger]

Spoiler tags because huge post is huge. Images 'n stuff.

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How to beat volcano boss? Need any special items, or is it just timing of hits?

Oddly, all you have to do is walk into the magic mirror at the top-center of the screen. Gotta walk through it to the upper border of the screen. Because in those days, you could only have one tile warp and one side warp on a screen at a time. So the tile warp moved you to the next "frame" of the attack (Each frame is its own unique screen that you quickly travel through, screen after screen, each depicting a different frame of animation of the attack. Yep, lot of screens.) and the side warp at the top moves you to the next "phase" of the battle. So that's how that works. I pretty much just spoiled a bunch of the battle.

Once I go down, I seem to be trapped. Didn't find any areas to bomb or stairs or anything. Have to F6-Save to get out. Anything I'm missing?

Why did you have to F6? You mean you couldn't leave that screen, or you couldn't find your way out? I just tested that area, and it worked fine. I did add some hookshottable blocks nearby just now so you can get back to the main path though. Next version.

More than a few places to get this stepladder glitch, mostly on diagonal bits of land (gotten stuck in the swamp area as well). Yes I'm stuck in this picture. Have to F6-Continue to get out.

Yeah, the stepladder is weird. That's innate to ZC itself. Can't do much about that other than block off potential problem areas.

Apparently this goron doesn't get save or anything. Does that have any relevance in this level?

I don't think so. Changed him to being saved / idle after the Gleeok is defeated anyway.

Can't seem to find the tunnel that leads over there. Where would I go to find that path?

... ... ... you know, I don't remember. x X. There IS a way! I know there is! I feel like I've traced it before, possibly in this thread. I'm just ... I'm looking at it, and like, there's these three rooms that are totally isolated, on the first floor, to the west. The heck... how do we get in there?! Grr...

Anything beyond that point? Can't seem to stepladder over the gap. Or is that just an exit way?

Nah. That's where you leave the dungeon after beating the boss. Don't bother going there. In fact, I just added a few rocks in the screen to the east so you can't enter, but can only exit.

Anything to that door up north? Doesn't seem to be any way to ladder over to the door without having to trigger that block

Oddly, no. It's just a little room with features just like any other in the dungeon, with four dodongos, and no item. The only exit is back out to where you came from. It's literally a wasted effort to go in there. Wow. Why is that even there. O.o

Hmm, strange that gotta wait a long time to get boots just to find nothing in here. Do I come here later or something?

Where is that, please? How'd you get there? You mean the flying boots?

[Erdrick]

Eleven hearts, a hookshot and a blue ring later and I hit another brick wall. again. Apparently this guy says the Crypt's boss key is under a block somewhere. All I need is what floor the boss key is under and not the exact location.

This is a pretty good quest so far. no bugs to report...yet.

[ShadowTiger]

The boss key is on the bottom floor. It's kinda rough to find, considering how freakishly big the darn Crypt is. Basically, to put you on the right path, remember the largest entrance to the Crypt, with that long vertical gray stone walkway above the whole graveyard maze outside? The place that leads to, near the top, is a large stone opening. It's the biggest entrance. That there is a fairly straightforward descent to the Boss Key. The entrance that leads to that whole area is on the screen to the south of that, in the open grave. Though that's only a tour of what the door is. When you walk in there, you have to go through the door to the south. It's oddly straightforward from there.

Oh, if you have the hammer, it'll be a lot easier to go down there. I changed one of the combos to a Grave (Pound) combo that will act as a shortcut.

Also made it impossible to walk "around" the stairs on that screen to get the key directly to the left of it, with some clever layering.

Also changed a few enemies in the Volcano to something a bit more interesting. Just a bit.

New Version.

DON'T FORGET TO MAKE BACKUPS OF YOUR ZC.SAV FILE!!!

[pixcalibur]

Sorry for the giant posts with all the pictures. Easier than trying to explain where I am in a spot


This is where that fairy is located, needs pegasus boots to get up there.



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Allowing stepladder to be used over this gap can make for some shortcut and convenience



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After guy finishes talking, I get frozen in place. Have to F6 out. Just need to allow moving.



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Are you supposed to be able to reach the red tree? Is that what the guy in the above picture mentioned?



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Odd room here. If I come from above, I get frozen in place, have to F6. From the side, can't get to the left door due to some invisible wall or something



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[pixcalibur]

One mini dungeon's pictures.

Also, any way to get that medal in the southwest corner of the twilight forest area?

The HP outside of Vines I assume there are a few different exits, one of which should lead to that



Need a way out of this room. Doors don't open after taking out all the enemies



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Any purpose to this room. Behind a close door, defeated everything in the room, hole only leads to same basement, but nothing in here



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Need to allow the player to push this block more than once to get it to that switch

Edited by pixcalibur, 24 November 2012 - 07:48 AM.

[ShadowTiger]

This is where that fairy is located, needs pegasus boots to get up there.



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Fixed. The Dmap disallowed guys being outside of those "TLOZ Caves" on screen 80. Should work now.

Allowing stepladder to be used over this gap can make for some shortcut and convenience



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Done. ^.^

After guy finishes talking, I get frozen in place. Have to F6 out. Just need to allow moving.



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Found out why. There was an unwalkable block all over layer 1. Removed it.

Are you supposed to be able to reach the red tree? Is that what the guy in the above picture mentioned?



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Nope. There's actually absolutely nothing there. That room always mystified me. So I blocked it off. No reason to go there.

Odd room here. If I come from above, I get frozen in place, have to F6. From the side, can't get to the left door due to some invisible wall or something



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That room has always haunted me. >.< I did a little something with it.

Also, any way to get that medal in the southwest corner of the twilight forest area?

Yes. In the Cave of Mirrors, go kinda west/northwest. In the new version you'll get from this or the next post, there will be a Pols Voice (that hopping cat thing vulnerable to arrows.) There will be a bombable wall on the west wall. I'm surprised he made it so hard to find. I marked it a little with some scoff marks to make it a little bit more easy to see.

The HP outside of Vines I assume there are a few different exits, one of which should lead to that
Need a way out of this room. Doors don't open after taking out all the enemies



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They really should've opened. So I just opened both doors.

Any purpose to this room. Behind a close door, defeated everything in the room, hole only leads to same basement, but nothing in here



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Oddly, no, there's nothing there anymore. There used to be a key there when the vines were alive, but now it's just a remainder.

Need to allow the player to push this block more than once to get it to that switch

Done and done. Also made those pound blocks a little easier to distinguish. Otherwise, it's just frustrating to oblivious players.


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Bug fix

Don't forget to back up the zc.sav file!

[pixcalibur]

So does that guy in the Mirror Cave have any relevance when he mentioned something about getting a leaf from a tree?

Luckily you can buy keys if needed. But I think there's another item that should take care of that anyway.

[pixcalibur]

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Floor labeling a bit messed up. First coming in, it's 1F, should be B2. Luckily going back and forth corrects floors for the most part





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Edited by pixcalibur, 27 November 2012 - 08:41 AM.

[Erdrick]

Here's a question: Are there damage-combo proof boots in this quest? If so, where are they?

Here's a couple more bugs to report:



The secret combos here are messed up.



There's an invisible solid wall here. This is after you step on the switch.

Edit: There are a few enemies with their colours all screwy. They are: L2 Ropes (wrong palette), Splitting Darknuts (both shielded and unshielded), Blue Darknuts after their shield has been smashed by the Hammer, Bats, Gleeok, and a couple others.

Edited by Reimu Hakurei, 25 November 2012 - 12:57 AM.

[ShadowTiger]

A message sent to me via PM concerning the quest, which, as I state, will be sent here.

Ok, level 8 is kinda going towards the obnoxious level. 2 floors of 64 squares??? No clue where boss key is and can't even reach a key and chest at the start of 2F given the wall structure. Can't get some of the HP's in rooms with orbs (I'll try to get pictures of those rooms). Maybe there's some switch or something I'm missing.

Dungeon Item: First floor, bottom-central room. Approach from the southwest.
Boss Key - Go to the upper-left most room of floor 1. Hug the top wall. Go a bit left and bomb the wall to your left. Go down two screens. Check the railing there for an invisible walkaway. Eventually, you'll get to the third floor. When you reach a tiny, tiny room with a teleporter, don't take the teleporter. Check the walls of that room.
Boss Room - Second floor, bottom-central room. Approach from the west side of floor 2.

Also having rooms with 10 mirror robes is a bit too much, even more so when there isn't much space to work with.

... yes. This is true. Although I did recently reduce their hit points and damage dealt. I really did. If you're having trouble now, I don't even want to think about how it would have been before the reduction.

Here's a question: Are there damage-combo proof boots in this quest? If so, where are they?

Nope, sorry. Spikes and the like are simply damage combos. A "boots" item would be global, rather than based on the combo.

All bugs addressed, except for that Hall of Mirrors Dmap title thing. I'm tempted to just remove the floor from each Dmap title. Very tempted indeed. That place is a complete mess of Dmap spacing.

[Erdrick]

There are two more bugs to report:



Going inside this potion shop will instantly eject Link as soon as he enters it.

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Link: "You know, those tiles really do stick out..."

[pixcalibur]

More things I was a little curious about:


Anything with that rock in the upper right corner? From the Lens, looks like you can push it, but can't burn the bush next to it.



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I think putting a portal to take the player back to the entrance may help. Kind of a long walk out otherwise. The shortcut out is done with the bow and flippers.



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Should always keep the heart piece in there. I tried clearing the Dam before coming here, and that heart piece wasn't there anymore.



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Room layout is kinda pointless given you have to have flippers to reach this room. Consider putting some kind of bridge a couple rooms to the left to let the player reach this room in the first place. Otherwise it's a lot of backtracking to come back



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Any purpose to this room, or is just a dead end?



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Falling from the upper right corner hole in the floor above got me stuck in this wall



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After taking out the Gleeok on 2F and coming back to the stairs, as the screen transitioned left to the room with the stairs, I got moved onto some invisible platform and stairs, leading me to get stuck in this wall. At least an F6 Continue gets me to those stairs

Edited by pixcalibur, 27 November 2012 - 01:59 PM.

[ShadowTiger]

There are two more bugs to report:



Going inside this potion shop will instantly eject Link as soon as he enters it.

Fixed! Also reminded me to have the L4 Potion be the L4 potion, rather than another L1 potion. Ick. Fixed. x)

Link: "You know, those tiles really do stick out..."

Haha, yeah. Fixed. Thanks.

More things I was a little curious about:
Anything with that rock in the upper right corner? From the Lens, looks like you can push it, but can't burn the bush next to it.



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Yeah, I dunno what was over there. There's no warp data on the screen at all, and no undercombo to it either. So I took the flag out. Useless little thing.

I think putting a portal to take the player back to the entrance may help. Kind of a long walk out otherwise. The shortcut out is done with the bow and flippers.



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Alrighty, sounds good. Added a warp out.

Should always keep the heart piece in there. I tried clearing the Dam before coming here, and that heart piece wasn't there anymore.



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I provided a nice little fix for it. I extended the water two tiles up right past the chest, so you would need the flippers to get it. It's not that it "lasts" between the lake being empty and the lake being full, but that they're two entirely different areas that just happen to look identical. So they would have been two totally separate HCPs. So now the chest in the empty lake version is inaccessible and empty, and when you get the flippers in the full lake version of the area, you can swim across the little bit of water to the chest! Great.

Room layout is kinda pointless given you have to have flippers to reach this room. Consider putting some kind of bridge a couple rooms to the left to let the player reach this room in the first place. Otherwise it's a lot of backtracking to come back



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Oh, actually, that block in the lower right corner is actually walkable. It's floating there on the surface. I just walked over it and grabbed the HCP.

Any purpose to this room, or is just a dead end?



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Oddly, there was absolutely nothing in that room. So I added a few enemies and added a warp to the floor below. Probably shouldn't have. Seriously, the majority of the Excavation remains a mystery to even me. It's just an odd place where I feel like he used an entire floor for nothing.

Falling from the upper right corner hole in the floor above got me stuck in this wall



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Yeah, see this one I can't find. Where is the floor above? The "floor above" that I see is the overworld, and there are no holes to fall into.

After taking out the Gleeok on 2F and coming back to the stairs, as the screen transitioned left to the room with the stairs, I got moved onto some invisible platform and stairs, leading me to get stuck in this wall. At least an F6 Continue gets me to those stairs

I figured out what you meant, and provided a fix for it. Thanks for the bug reports!

[pixcalibur]

Finally finished Marathon. Oh gosh that was one long level. Missed a couple HP's in there. Also missed one right above entrance to Vines. One other one I don't know where it is. Maybe Deku Tree?


To clarify some of the prior pictures:

I was referring to the room in the first picture. No way to cross into the room in the 2nd picture with the HP without flippers. Maybe some floating blocks as a bridge in the first picture?





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The place in the first picture is accessed from a cave near Lon Lon Mountains using Pegasus Boots. You get the hint about Subrosia in this cave. If you fall into the hole on the very right from the direction in the picture, you'll get stuck in the wall in the 2nd picture.





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Consider removing that block at the bottom and replacing it with a shutter door at the top so that it's easier to take out all the Dodongos without having to go in and out of the room a lot. Actually, after getting the HP, I get stuck since I can't reach all 3 Dodongos from the tunnel.



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Stuck in this room after killing all the enemies. Doors don't open here



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Maybe some design flaws in Tower that allows shortcuts to get Titan's Mitt and Boss Key.
First picture you can sneak across the star switch to reach the hole. Makes the level hint pointless
Second picture you can trigger the switch to get to the other side of that screen and then reenter that room to get to the correct hole to reach the Boss Key. Thus no need to access using Titan's Mitt on 5F. Just blocking off the outer perimeter would do.

Edited by pixcalibur, 27 November 2012 - 05:26 PM.