QUOTE(DashSim @ Oct 5 2012, 10:57 AM)

The funny thing is that I often like game series making radical changes and would be totally okay with the Zelda you described. Well... except for the part where I don't really play MMO games! I can totally see someone playing Epic Yarn and not getting the sort of thing they're looking for from Kirby... but, for me, what I always look for is how games work (or don't!) in and of themselves. (A view which actually allows me to equally enjoy games that are big departures from their established series - like Epic Yarn - and are very conservative and similar to a lot of other games in their series - like the 8-bit Mega Man games.)
Now, don't get me wrong, I
liked Epic Yarn. I even played it enough to get all the gold medals in it (then again the game was easy enough I could do so on the first try). It's not my favorite game, but I would have liked it a lot better if it
wasn't a Kirby spin-off. Unfortunately Kirby seems to have replaced Mario as Nintendo's go-to for "We have a new design idea but we're worried whether we could successfully market a new IP or not, so let's just slap the name of a popular series on it!"
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Actually... I submit to you the opinion that the medal/score mechanic is what makes the no death aspect work. It gives certain stakes to the player, keeping them alert and careful (should they be trying to go for medals) without any of the punishment of death.
Actually, on a related note, something I thought was really well done about the medal/no death system in Epic Yarn was how well it accomplished a 'choose your own difficulty' system without having an actual difficulty selection switch (which I usually consider a somewhat inelegant solution). You can play a very relaxing game without worrying about the score, or you can try to 100% complete it and get something quite challenging... All accomplished in the same exact levels.
This doesn't work for the same reasons unmodded minecraft doesn't work as a dungeon crawler: If the rules aren't enforced, it's not a game. You can *choose* to get all the gold medals if you want, but this is never a goal the game sets for you and, IIRC, you don't even get any reward for it. The *real* goal of Kirby's Epic Yarn is to get to the final boss, to which the game offers absolutely no resistance.
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Hahh. I actually have the exact opposite opinion of the green stars/blue coins; I collected every green star without loading up GameFAQs. The blue coins, meanwhile, I had to print out a walk-through to fully collect.
The difference between them for me is... In Galaxy 2, when you select a green star, you're guaranteed that you can actually find it if you look around. You know there's one there, it's just an issue of finding/getting it.
To collect all the blue coins, you have to enter a level and select which Shine to go after and hope the coins you need are even available in it. Many were only available on specific Shines... And to even get them to appear was generally something like spraying some arbitrary piece of wall. Finding these things without a walk-through meant playing every version of every level... and spraying everywhere around the level each time. I would never have done this without that blue coin walk-through.
(The green stars, if I remember correctly, also had the Metroid Prime item feature of making a sound when you're near them, giving the player another way to find them.)
Keep in mind I'm not defending the blue coins: They're what prevented me from 100%ing Mario Sunshine, in fact. My point is, the green stars were much more tedious than they could have been. Going through the levels again to find the green stars was neither new nor interesting.
EDIT: So, started playing Black Mesa. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure whether I like it or not. I mean, yeah, it's Half-Life and that makes it amazing (especially if you've never played it before), but the real measure by which you judge a remake is whether it's better than the original or not, and I don't really think I like this better than Half-Life.
Edited by Giggidy, 05 October 2012 - 09:00 PM.