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[Russ]

I personally don't like the Water Temple. I like difficult levels, but that was just too much. I got so turned around and misled. And then those stupid clam enemies underwater. Ya, I hate the Water Temple, actually. I wouldn't mind them increasing the difficulty of enemies (except those underwater clams) and making the design itself less confusing, but that's just me.

[Nicholas Steel]

Thehy will likely have new graphics and music but these things will be externalized much like you see with N64 Emulation texture/music packs. The core/guts will still very likely be the original hard to edit N64 ROM. What I am hoping for is the Australian version to run at 60hz instead of 50hz as the PAL version has hopeless frame rates as does most PAL N64 games.

Edited by franpa, 18 June 2010 - 04:07 AM.

[Radien]

I personally don't like the Water Temple. I like difficult levels, but that was just too much. I got so turned around and misled. And then those stupid clam enemies underwater. Ya, I hate the Water Temple, actually. I wouldn't mind them increasing the difficulty of enemies (except those underwater clams) and making the design itself less confusing, but that's just me.

I'm not going to necessarily say that I agree with you, but I DO undrestand why it bothers you. You see, awhile ago I read a site which charted dungeon progression and explained what makes the Water Temple stand out. You see, the chart started at the top and went to the bottom, widening when you had more choices, and in the Water Temple the progression is very, very "wide."

In a dungeon like most of the ones in Twilight Princess, you must accomplish goal A to proceed to goal B, goal B to proceed to goal C, etc.

OoT's Water Temple instead gave you most of the goals at the same time. for instance, say You had to accomplish goal A, B, C, D, and E to get the dungeon item. Then you used the dungeon item to solve goals F, G, H, I, and J in order to get the boss key. That's not exactly how it worked, but it's not too far off. Throw in the necessity of raising and lowering water levels, and you've got the OoT Water Temple, love it or hate it.

Many people love it because secretly, many of us human beings enjoy checklists. It is sometimes very satisfying to see your progression bit by bit toward a larger goal, by chipping away at whatever parts of the task you feel like at the time. Other people hate this. It's especially problematic for people who keep forgetting which tasks have already been accomplished.

Personally, I like the Water Temple, but I agree that you really need a good sense of direction and possibly a written checklist (if not a good memory) in order to go at it effectively. If you watch TSA's OoT speed run videos, you'll realize that most of the time spent in the Water Temple is figuring out where to go next. The whole thing can be completed in a matter of minutes if you know where you are going. And believe me, I understand why that task is harder than it sounds.

Thehy will likely have new graphics and music but these things will be externalized much like you see with N64 Emulation texture/music packs. The core/guts will still very likely be the original hard to edit N64 ROM. What I am hoping for is the Australian version to run at 60hz instead of 50hz as the PAL version has hopeless frame rates as does most PAL N64 games.

I'm sorry, how do we know they will be emulating the N64 game beneath the improved graphics? That might not be as efficient as you think.

Here's another possibility: they could take the (more advanced) Twilight Princess engine, port it or emulate it on the 3DS (the 3DS should be able to handle Gamecube-level processing from what we've seen), and rebuild the OoT world in the new engine. Sound more difficult? Well, if the OoT engine were too restrictive to their graphical improvements, it might be even more work to emulate OoT. After all, with an increased polygon count comes new types of animation. What if they want Link's clothes to ripple in the breeze, for instance? An emulated N64 engine probably can't do that.

[Christian]

From what I've seen from screenshots, Ocarina of Time 3DS seems to be using the same art style of Skyword Sword.

Edited by Christian, 20 June 2010 - 07:44 PM.

[Dawnlight]

I wonder if Nintendo is going to put some exclusive content on the 3DS Version.

[L33TSkillz]

Nah, it's more like Ocarina of Time style, which skyward sword happens to be similar to.

But I wanna see it in 3d, especially some bosses could look epic, IMAGINE PHANTOM GANNON!

Edited by L33TSkillz, 20 June 2010 - 08:11 PM.

[The Satellite]

I don't think it looks like Skyward Sword. I just think it's updated OoT, really. As much as I am currently in love with SS's graphics, I believe a game that was made in a certain style should stay in that certain style. You wouldn't want WW in TP style, or vice-versa, would ya? So it probably won't be much of an overhaul apart from better texturing.

[Linkus]

You know, there's one thing that they can do with the time between release of the 3DS and the OoT remake... Like complete the game as it was supposed to be?

Well, in a way I think the game should have the dungeons that never came to be as extra - Does anyone really know what was in that little square space above Jabu-Jabu's Shrine? Or perhaps a really hard Temple of Light for the hardcore fans who want to prove their heroism? I'm just saying, there's a lot that could make the game a real must-have instead of just a remake.

[Alestance]

You know, there's one thing that they can do with the time between release of the 3DS and the OoT remake... Like complete the game as it was supposed to be?

Well, in a way I think the game should have the dungeons that never came to be as extra - Does anyone really know what was in that little square space above Jabu-Jabu's Shrine? Or perhaps a really hard Temple of Light for the hardcore fans who want to prove their heroism? I'm just saying, there's a lot that could make the game a real must-have instead of just a remake.

And make Majora's Mask an extra. Like how it was supposed to be an add-on pack like Master Quest with the Nintendo 64 Disk System.

[Bourkification]

From the screenshots I have seen, I can day that I believe the only graphical enhancements it is going to have are upgraded textures and possibly 2D overlays, like light rays, as done on Wind Waker.

I highly doubt it will use an entirely different engine to the original OoT. Ideally we all hope it would have graphics that push the limits of the system, that are a good as TP, but realistically I think it is just in essence, a port of the original.

[Nicholas Steel]

I'm not going to necessarily say that I agree with you, but I DO undrestand why it bothers you. You see, awhile ago I read a site which charted dungeon progression and explained what makes the Water Temple stand out. You see, the chart started at the top and went to the bottom, widening when you had more choices, and in the Water Temple the progression is very, very "wide."

In a dungeon like most of the ones in Twilight Princess, you must accomplish goal A to proceed to goal B, goal B to proceed to goal C, etc.

OoT's Water Temple instead gave you most of the goals at the same time. for instance, say You had to accomplish goal A, B, C, D, and E to get the dungeon item. Then you used the dungeon item to solve goals F, G, H, I, and J in order to get the boss key. That's not exactly how it worked, but it's not too far off. Throw in the necessity of raising and lowering water levels, and you've got the OoT Water Temple, love it or hate it.

Many people love it because secretly, many of us human beings enjoy checklists. It is sometimes very satisfying to see your progression bit by bit toward a larger goal, by chipping away at whatever parts of the task you feel like at the time. Other people hate this. It's especially problematic for people who keep forgetting which tasks have already been accomplished.

Personally, I like the Water Temple, but I agree that you really need a good sense of direction and possibly a written checklist (if not a good memory) in order to go at it effectively. If you watch TSA's OoT speed run videos, you'll realize that most of the time spent in the Water Temple is figuring out where to go next. The whole thing can be completed in a matter of minutes if you know where you are going. And believe me, I understand why that task is harder than it sounds.


I'm sorry, how do we know they will be emulating the N64 game beneath the improved graphics? That might not be as efficient as you think.

1) They already have experience with emulators (looks @ wii)
2) there are plenty of open source emulators they can base code for external features on.
3) It would take more effort remastering the game in an entirely new engine.

[Adem]

If they already remade/have it for the Gamecube and for the Wii, it'd be a stupid move to just remake it again, only with slightly improved graphics.

[Radien]

I don't think it looks like Skyward Sword. I just think it's updated OoT, really.

I agree. SS has 100% cel shading. The original OoT and this remake have very very mild cel shading. On the technical end, I'm not sure what constitutes cel shading if it is as mild as OoT, but back when OoT came out people were commenting on cel shading. It might be as simple as the texture style and the lighting.

As much as I am currently in love with SS's graphics, I believe a game that was made in a certain style should stay in that certain style. You wouldn't want WW in TP style, or vice-versa, would ya? So it probably won't be much of an overhaul apart from better texturing.

That reminds me of a certain April Fool's Day screenshot that a gaming magazine published around the time TP was announced......

[Nicholas Steel]

If they already remade/have it for the Gamecube and for the Wii, it'd be a stupid move to just remake it again, only with slightly improved graphics.

The gamecube versions are done via Emulation, thats how Master Quest was leaked iirc.

Edited by franpa, 21 June 2010 - 12:44 PM.

[Fabbrizio]

Given the stipulations of the theorized Majora's Mask 3DS, I would just like to say...

OCARINA OF TIME IS THE GREATEST GAME EVER, NINTENDO PLEASE RE-RELEASE IT FOR THE 3DS AND MAKE IT AAAAAWWWWWEEESSSOMMEEE!

No sarcasm there. I've re-assessed the situation and I think I'd most likely buy this if and when it comes out.