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[SyrianBallaS]

Yeah, I'd be down with flash carts (kinda like USB) or sd cards. I think when most people think of carts they think of SNES Solid States, if it gets damaged even a little bit your game is over. 

 

Then cursing the game company happens then you move on and never buy their shit again.

 

For the love of god, they need to put covers for them. Like flash drives.

Edited by SyrianBallaS, 03 July 2016 - 02:49 AM.

[Anthus]

The NES had sleeves for the carts, and the SNES had a protector thing too. Dunno if any one really used them though

I'm on my phone now but I saw a video, or maybe read that the NX version of BotW is listed under copyright as a 'game pack' and not a disc. Dunno if this holds any ground, but I'll try to find it later.

[Anarchy_Balsac]

The NES had sleeves for the carts, and the SNES had a protector thing too. Dunno if any one really used them though

I'm on my phone now but I saw a video, or maybe read that the NX version of BotW is listed under copyright as a 'game pack' and not a disc. Dunno if this holds any ground, but I'll try to find it later.

 

The SNES ones were small and easily lost, not sure why he thinks the SNES carts are easily damaged though.

[The Satellite]

So ever since the announcement of "Project Sonic 2017," and the reveal that it's coming to Xbox One, PS4, PC, and NX... all that's done has made me stop thinking about the game (as much as I want a sequel/successor to Generations) and think more about the NX itself. Considering Generations was excluded from Nintendo consoles (crappy 3DS version by Dimps aside), it seems odd that a sequel would arrive on a Nintendo console... unless the rumors are actually true about the console finally catching up as far as power and/or architecture? Pure speculation and nothing more, but it still makes me wonder. And hope.

[Cukeman]

Yeah. Now that you mention it, I just realized we must have only been allowed to see the WiiU version of BotW so far (watching gameplay on YouTube video feeds makes me forget about what controller they're using). I dunno, I guess it kinda felt like I was watching pre-recorded NX footage, and didn't think about it until now.

[Phosphor]

Speaking of BotW at e3, I liked to imagine that the Wii U's on the show floor and for the main Tree House feed were actually just shells with NX hardware inside, but I highly doubt that, judging by the framerate drops the game had whenever there was more than one explosion on the screen at a time. I can still dream, though.

[Nicholas Steel]

So ever since the announcement of "Project Sonic 2017," and the reveal that it's coming to Xbox One, PS4, PC, and NX... all that's done has made me stop thinking about the game (as much as I want a sequel/successor to Generations) and think more about the NX itself. Considering Generations was excluded from Nintendo consoles (crappy 3DS version by Dimps aside), it seems odd that a sequel would arrive on a Nintendo console... unless the rumors are actually true about the console finally catching up as far as power and/or architecture? Pure speculation and nothing more, but it still makes me wonder. And hope.

I expect it will probably be as powerful as either the original PS4 or Xbox One. However we still have no information on what kind of CPU it will use.

Edited by Nicholas Steel, 25 July 2016 - 12:56 AM.

[The Satellite]

More info courtesy of unnamed sources. So take with grain of salt, but they seem to be certain of their sources. Highlights:

 

- Portable system that can link up to a TV

- System is similar to a Wii U GamePad, the controls on either side are detachable

- Powered by Nvidia's Tegra processor, apparently a mobile processor

- Nintendo once again not chasing graphical parity with its competitors

- Will return to game cartridges, apparently at a recommended size of 32GB each

- A new Nintendo operating system

- No backwards compatibility with Wii U

- Nintendo to officially unveil the system sometime in September

 

So... I'd actually be on board with this. Nintendo continuing to do its own thing but in a way that's new and might be enticing to people looking for the next thing in gaming. I mean, a console that I can play games on at home but take with me on the go if I need to leave but want to keep playing? Hell, I'm already sold, and it aligns with all the early rumors anyway.

 

The only things I'm not sold on are the apparent lack of graphical power and no Wii U backwards compatibility. A lot of people I know were looking forward to NX so they could play the new games and also Wii U games they thought were interesting. Maybe they'll be available downloadable, just not via disc drive? I dunno. And I guess the power thing is par for the course for Nintendo at this point, but it'd be nice if they could show off on the scale of the competitors. But it's alright I guess.

 

Now I suddenly have a realistic worry that third-party devs will look at the console, see it as a handheld console, and produce tons of feature-lacking shovelware for it. I mean, all systems have this, but... I dunno exactly how to properly describe it.

[Cukeman]

Graphically, whatever improvements they make to WiiU I'll be satisfied with because we're at a point in history where the next step up in graphics is only a slight notch, not a big leap. However the system NEEDS to be capable of running the same games that appear on the other systems, or what is even the point in competing? Personally I don't care if the NX version of 3rd party titles doesn't have the extra graphical polish as the other versions PROVIDED it actually gets put on the system in the first place.

 

If that description is correct, I'm underwhelmed. If the whole point is the system being a controller you can detach etc. that's all gimmicky stuff I don't care about. If I'm not playing it on the big screen I don't need all that power because I won't be able to tell the difference on the small screen anyway.

Edited by Cukeman, 26 July 2016 - 02:56 PM.

[Anthus]

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- Nintendo once again not chasing graphical parity with its competitors
- No backwards compatibility with Wii U

NSFW Response:

Spoiler

Seriously though. Like, are you kidding me? Why would you not make it backward compatible? I'm trying to handle my rage, as this is just a rumor, and not confirmed but still, they should at least be downloadable since a CD drive isn't practical on a portable system. So games like Mario Kart 8, Mario Maker, and others are just gonna be lost to the ages unless you own a Wii U already? At the end of that article, it says that they may port Sm4sh, and Splatoon over to the NX, which is cool if you don't already own those, but if you do, have fun paying for a game twice, which happens all the time in the VC if you bought VC games on your Wii, and wanted to download them onto your WiiU. And while I'm bitching, where's the GameCube Virtual Console games? They have Wii ones now but totally skipped the Gamecube.

The removable controller sounds okay, and probably means there will be other peripherals, I wonder fit hey plan on still using the Wiimote for anything?

Other than the rumored lack of BC, and the fact that it will once again lose the hardware race before it even begins, I'm still excited for this. I will say though, if this fails, and has no games or support like the Wii U, then good bye Nintendo, not buying any more new shit. I'm just hoping the controller is comfortable. The Wii U tablet is actually okay, imo, but the 3DS XL makes my left thumb hurt after long playing sessions.

I am curious to see what the cartridges are like though. We will see in September, I suppose.

So wake me up, when September comes... *shot*

[Russ]

Um... is it just me, or does this sound like a really bad thing? The lack of graphical power means that, again, Nintendo's gonna be one generation behind and not get any of the third part titles that Microsoft and Sony get. It hurt the Wii, but they coasted by on gimmicks. It hurt the Wii U, and they promised they wouldn't do the same mistake again. And now they're doing the same mistake again. I'm getting really tired of having to buy one console for Nintendo games and one console for everything else.

Additionally, the lack of backwards compatibility is disturbing. People have already brought up stuff like Sm4sh, Mario Kart 8, and Splatoon. Are these games just gonna go away? If they get ported to NX, is Nintendo gonna shut down the Wii U servers like they did with the Wii servers and leave all the people who just bought Sm4sh last year without netplay?

Furthermore, if it's portable, what does that mean for the 3DS? Is the DS line just being discontinued? Are we expected to bring two portable systems everywhere. How big is the NX going to be? If it's small enough to actually be portable, I find it very hard to believe it will do any more than just barely match the Wii U in terms of processing power, which is already only on par with the PS3 and Xbox 360, when this thing's gonna need to be competing with the PS5 and Xbox Whatever.

Call me pessimistic, but I smell a flop coming. Actually, I'm almost hoping for one at this point. Nintendo clearly doesn't know what they're doing with console gaming anymore. They need to just go the way of Sega and start making awesome Nintendo games for the Sony and Microsoft consoles. Their handheld systems are fine, so they can keep that, but the consoles are just one bad decision after another.

[Anthus]

It really sucks that this is the reality, but I agree, Russ. I am still holding out for an official reveal, which will hopefully put some of these fears to rest... or, you know, the opposite, and cement another flop.

Looks like they better start making some new IPs for the new NES system they're putting out. I heard that thing let's you play with power!

[The Satellite]

It is ridiculously too early to spout silly doom and gloom messages like this though, especially when it comes to backwards compatibility. Why is it PS4 and Xbox One weren't torn apart because they didn't have it, but when it's rumored it might not return for NX, everyone goes apeshit? SNES, N64, and Gamecube didn't have backwards compatibility. They got off fine. *looks at Gamecube sales figures* ... well, two of them did, but backwards compatibility wasn't the reason Gamecube didn't do well.

 

However, where I will relent is that there should at least be a comprehensive online library comparable to PSN where many games can be downloaded. Maybe a method similar to Xbox One's 360 backwards compatibility, which I don't fully understand admittedly. Even if it's just selling Wii U games on its online store, which would at least solve the woes of those who had their eye on some Wii U games but not enough to buy a Wii U for.

 

Even so, I don't see the big deal with everything else, especially when it's still just rumors and nothing confirmed. I'm actually in love with the idea of the system, even if it's not yet confirmed, and I feel like it can only go great if done well. Will they do well? We'll have to wait and see. But until we actually have official details on the system, it's really too early to outright condemn it.

 

I was going to make a comment about how it's technically true this is probably Nintendo's last chance in the console market, but then again, if this does end up being a console/portable hybrid, then technically not? I don't know, I'm confused just thinking about it, but reminder that Nintendo dominates the handheld industry, always has.

[Cukeman]

Ok, I'm calling it. Nintendo's secretly developed ultra-compact storage technology and will reveal in March that the entire NX system is housed INSIDE the NESMini that people aleady bought for $60! Then they'll reveal the NX controller for the NESMini/NX combo system. *runs*

 

Eh, we only gripe because we care. We want to see Nintendo do what's best for everyone.

Edited by Cukeman, 26 July 2016 - 06:23 PM.

[Anthus]

I love Nintendo as much as the next guy. It was my childhood, and know everyone else here is in the same boat.

All I really want is for Nintendo to succeed and come out on top. We still don't know if there are other components, maybe there is an un-leaked additional piece of hardware that stays home. I just want an official reveal.

This article made me realize how easy it can be to jump to conclusions, and how anxious and pensive Nintendo fans are becoming. Come on NX. Make Nintendo great again.