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[NoeL]

...Yep, that analogy isn't working for me. There is no situation in which I can imagine drinking my own piss to be "fun." Even the events surrounding it.

Booo, you're boring (FYI, when you're hydrated and your urine is clear (as is usually the case when drinking) it just tastes like warm water. That's pretty much all it is ). But anyway, just imagine a different analogy. Something that you wouldn't normally do, that might not be particularly enjoyable, but worth doing just to be able to say you did.

For the record: in case any of you didn't know, most or all of the actual alcohol evaporates during cooking.

I did know, yes. Also, you forgot Christmas pudding. Those things are covered in brandy

I'm not exactly sure WHAT Everclear is made from -- or more specifically, how it is distilled -- but I've been told that it is 100% alcohol.

Sounds like metho. I wouldn't want to drink that.

Regardless, though: in my book, if I get sick, the party's over for me. I can't imagine coming back from that and resuming having a good time.

Most of the time you feel much better after a spew. Before it you're all bloated and feel like crap, then after it all comes out you feel better. I never drink that much anymore, and I much prefer not spewing at all, but if you're at that stage when you feel like death a good spew can often help.

Alcohol is "fun" because for many people it strips away that immediate voice that says "hey, this is a bad idea". For hanging out with friends, this is almost always awesome because you get to see new sides of them, and often times it ends in a cuddle puddle of drunken bliss.

That's my favourite thing about the stuff, and why I love drinking at home with friends.

I love how all of the young anti-alcohol users have left the thread and now it's just us oldies expressing out fondness of the stuff... we need to all have a drink sometime

[sigtau]

Let another younger member join into the crowd--I'm not a chain drinker or anything, but of the times I've had a few drinks (with family at Christmas parties where most of us don't give a s***), I enjoyed my time. The only problem I really with the stuff was the massive hole in the wall I left underneath the dartboard (I swear to God, the dartboard was -right there-) while playing a game with my cousin. Otherwise, the sensation of simply not giving a crap about the world around you (but setting yourself up so that you can drink with highly minimal consequences, of course) is something I simply love.

I don't like it enough to have more than three beers, though, because it does get old after a while, and changing it up only diminishes it faster. Can't chug the PBR like the grad-school kids do around here.

I have a few stoner friends, and of all the controlled substances I'd opt to have legalized, I'd choose marijuana first (though I have never personally tried the stuff), because the short-term effects don't seem to really do much more than alcohol's short term effects. With things like pot, it'd just be a matter of responsibility, the same kind that comes with alcohol, tobacco, and what-have-you.

As for raves and intense parties, they tend to drain me, although if it's with a bunch of friends (and not a bunch of complete strangers) I'll certainly join into the fun... for a little while. I can't sustain a party-mode for very long.

[Moosh]

I'm not a fan of these things myself, but let's take a minute to ask ourselves a question: Why is Zelda Classic fun? Why is designing quests fun? We're all here because of this one basic interest, but when you really think about it is it any less an escape from reality than drugs and alcohol? Can you not also waste away your life with video games? Everybody has their own preferences. We all take fun from different sources. In my opinion, the very purpose of fun is to escape from the monotony and misery of life. Unless you derive enjoyment from work, chances are you have an escape of some sort. It's perfectly normal; it's fun. Some escapes are more harmful than others, but people have their preferences and I'm going to choose to respect them rather than calling them out because I don't understand them.

Edited by Pokemonmaster64, 20 October 2011 - 09:04 PM.

[Shane]

And I doubt you'll kill someone by getting drunk. What now?

No, killing someone drunk unintentionally , witch I'm afraid I'll do then killing someone not drunk intentionally are two different things. C'mon you should know that.

Also, making friends with a serial killer is very much possible. Every human is theoretically capable of murder (it's got a lot to do with the circumstances under which the evolution of our brain took place and greater parts of the urge to murder aren't concious or concioussly controlable by the way) so everbody is a potential serial killer. That's not a "bad thing" or whatever, but a simple truth.

Yes, but I doubt it. Let's think of it this way: A guy is happy, feels alive and all that then suddenly turns into a serial killer? I doubt it. But if A guy is a lonely person who gets hated or perhaps cheated well I won't doubt it if turns into a serial killer.

[Radien]

mmm... skunk...

here, kitty kitty.

purr.

Everclear is 95% (190 proof) cleanly distilled from grain. it is alcohol. you might want to dilute it. keep it away from sources of ignition. if you lack a moderation gauge, it will kill you. it's essentially triple vodka. I use it for efficiency. I can't drink a whole bottle of wine, I don't have the bladder space for such beating around the proverbial bush. beer is for pussies.

here, kitty kitty.

I don't like beating around the bush either, but beer is around 5% alcohol. Everclear is, as you say, 95%. There is a LOT of space in between the two which is taken up by a wide variety of hard drinks. Personally, I prefer to strengthen drinks with vodka rather than Everclear. I also like to cut the taste of alcohol either with lime or with a sweet, milky drink depending on what type of hard drink it contains. I suppose cola is okay as well, for some drinks.

Booo, you're boring (FYI, when you're hydrated and your urine is clear (as is usually the case when drinking) it just tastes like warm water. That's pretty much all it is ). But anyway, just imagine a different analogy. Something that you wouldn't normally do, that might not be particularly enjoyable, but worth doing just to be able to say you did.

But I don't WANT to be able to say I did. I don't like beer, having tried it, and it's often compared to horse piss. That's as close as I wanna get.

I did know, yes. Also, you forgot Christmas pudding. Those things are covered in brandy

After it is cooked, right?... Anyway, I didn't forget it, so much, as I've never had it....

Sounds like metho. I wouldn't want to drink that.

I'm with you. There are much better ways to make a strong drink.

Most of the time you feel much better after a spew. Before it you're all bloated and feel like crap, then after it all comes out you feel better. I never drink that much anymore, and I much prefer not spewing at all, but if you're at that stage when you feel like death a good spew can often help.

Yeah, but by that point I still feel gross and exhausted and I just want to go to bed. I've successfully avoided that for several years, though.

That's my favourite thing about the stuff, and why I love drinking at home with friends.

Yeah, screw raves and clubbing. Drinking at home with friends is more fun, and much MUCH cheaper.

Every time you buy a drink at a bar or a club, you are paying 2 or 3 times its actual cost, to cover 1. the cost of the building; 2. the wages of people serving you; 3. the liquor license; and 4. (this is the worst one) the cost of cleaning up all the damage that drunk douchebags do to the place, the wages of the people paid to throw those douchebags out, plus insurance.

I love how all of the young anti-alcohol users have left the thread and now it's just us oldies expressing out fondness of the stuff... we need to all have a drink sometime

I suppose so. But the original question was why people enjoy clubbing. I agree with the original post. Clubbing IS a pointless waste of money and brain cells. But that isn't the only place (or the best place) to enjoy a good social drink.

[Moonbread]

You know, I was mostly worried about it due to the fact that I'm most likely to get drunk at a public place, Shane. You know, like in a busy city, because elsewhere I wouldn't have much to drink to actually get drunk. You don't have to worry THAT much. You've still got plenty of years ahead of you anyway.

So anyway. I've got my 21st coming up in less than 2 months, so I have a plan to be at my usual tavern the night before, doing my usual teetotal routine until the clock strikes midnight... I'm just not sure what to get at that point beyond whiskey. I mean, I know I enjoy certain kinds of whiskey, and beer is piss water and wine is way too bitter for me, so... any suggestions? Yeah yeah, I know I was seemingly all ANTI-ALCOHOL before, but rather, I'm just against the idea of not being in control, and again, don't want to be around friends who don't care that they'll get completely blitzed or that they'll get their friends in on it too (and believe me, I have a friend smart enough to trick people into it). But heck, at my usual tobacco/cigar shop, I see the Monty Python and the Holy Ale, and am quite curious of that, it'll probably be an alternate to the tavern.

[Fabbrizio]

...Hmmm. I've never really though about which kind of wine it was. I wouldn't be surprised if it was always red wine. Now that you mention that, I'm going to have to try to think of some non-wine types of alcohol that taste good in food...

Two words: rum cake.

I make a pilgrimage to the official Tortuga Rum Cake store every time I go to Grand Cayman (where my godfather owns a condominium). Killer stuff right there.

Edited by DavidReinold, 21 October 2011 - 01:13 AM.

[Sheik]

[...]but when you really think about it is it any less an escape from reality than drugs and alcohol?[...] the very purpose of fun is to escape from the monotony and misery of life.[...]

No, it's all part of life. Misery is part of life, fun is part of life. By the way, more often than not you can choose wether you'll experience misery or fun. Our self-dramatic generation(s?) seems to enjoy the misery pretty much, otherwise I can't explain why they insist so much on b****ing and whining rather than just enjoy their lifes; but I for one prefer fun. I lead a really happy life, eventhough I have some serious trouble going on and cooking up. But, so what? Will I now "escape" from life or whatever, just because it offers me some misery? No, I will simply focus on the brighter sides of life and everything looks a lot nicer all of a sudden. The world isn't such a terrible place and life isn't such a horrid fate. It's all about focus.

Edited by Sheik91, 21 October 2011 - 01:26 AM.

[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

I'm not a fan of these things myself, but let's take a minute to ask ourselves a question: Why is Zelda Classic fun? Why is designing quests fun? We're all here because of this one basic interest, but when you really think about it is it any less an escape from reality than drugs and alcohol? Can you not also waste away your life with video games? Everybody has their own preferences. We all take fun from different sources. In my opinion, the very purpose of fun is to escape from the monotony and misery of life. Unless you derive enjoyment from work, chances are you have an escape of some sort. It's perfectly normal; it's fun. Some escapes are more harmful than others, but people have their preferences and I'm going to choose to respect them rather than calling them out because I don't understand them.

Read and learn everybody. This is someone who (almost) gets it!

While it's not about escaping reality, I'd say it's all about how people have different preferences. If I ran around saying watching MLP would make you go insane or accidentally kill someone from the ragefit you got from watching it, I know for a fact that people here would rip me to shreds. I ask those people to explain how this is any different. Yes, alcohol does have bad health effects (not if you use moderation though, and you should use moderation or else you're stupid), but that's alcohol, and this thread is about more than just that.

Weed for example, can not kill you. There is not one single death in recorded history that has been caused by marijuana. That is a fact. That means there is no getting away from it, because facts are facts. If you don't believe me, look it up.

No, killing someone drunk unintentionally , witch I'm afraid I'll do then killing someone not drunk intentionally are two different things. C'mon you should know that.



Yes, but I doubt it. Let's think of it this way: A guy is happy, feels alive and all that then suddenly turns into a serial killer? I doubt it. But if A guy is a lonely person who gets hated or perhaps cheated well I won't doubt it if turns into a serial killer.

This, Shane, is so remarkably stupid. Do you even know what you're saying? >_<

Seriously, you're not going to randomly turn into a (accidental) killer just because you got drunk. That isn't happening, we do not live in a world where that is normal. People get drunk every day, some people even more often (and those people need help), but very few of those people will ever commit a felony, because the majority of our population is, mostly, law-abiding citizens. Unless you're drinking when you're underage, but it's still not going to make you a murderer.

Same goes for drugs, even if you took heroin I doubt you'd up and kill someone, even by accident. While I can't speak for the stronger drugs, I can speak for salvia (which gives users an LSD-type effect), weed (which doesn't in any way make you see visions or anything of the sort), and hashish, which is basically weed but cooked or some crap, I'm not really sure. Out of all of these, salvia is without a doubt the one with the strongest effect. It lasts for about 5-10 minutes and holy s***. It really makes the world go insane, but it doesn't make you kill anyone. It's actually highly unlikely that you'll ever get up from the couch before the effects wear off, because you're too caught up in trying to take in all the things you see and feel.

Weed doesn't do anything even close to this, weed just makes you happy, cheerful, and not in the type of mood you'd be in order to kill someone. You also keep complete control over your body and thus it is literally impossible for you to kill someone unless you actually wanted to kill them to begin with, in which case you probably wouldn't take weed first because it'd only lessen your chances of actually pulling it off.

The fact that you guys are scared that you might kill someone freaks me out a bit. That is not normal train of thought, most people don't go all 'what if I end up slitting your throat?' when they're asked if they want a drink.


Also, for the sake of having said this. To all of you who're all 'I don't like alcohol and that's why alcohol sucks': you have not tried everything there is. You cannot possibly say it sucks without actually having tasted everything. And there is a lot of drinks out there. I can guarantee everyone one of you that you will all have at least one drink you can enjoy. You just haven't found it yet.

I'd recommend something called vodka battery. It's pretty basic, and one of my first drinks, but it doesn't taste of alcohol at all, and it just tastes like soda really. That's one of the reasons I like it a lot, because alcohol usually leaves this 'taste' in your mouth and throat that makes me feel like throwing up for a second (which is because they put laxatives in the alcohol in order to make sure people don't drink too much. Seriously, that happens), but some drinks, like the vodka battery one, completely removes all traces of this in terms of taste. Which is awesome :3

In the end of the day though, if you're not interested in getting drunk and having fun by hanging out and have a social life (not that you need to drink to have a social life), fine. Just don't sit here and come up with ridiculous explanations as to why you don't want to. Also, always remember that you can order soda at most bars. Which means you can still hang out with friends that drink, even if you don't drink yourself. It's not weird, I have many friends who don't drink and they don't seem to mind at all

[Moosh]

No, it's all part of life. Misery is part of life, fun is part of life. By the way, more often than not you can choose wether you'll experience misery or fun. Our self-dramatic generation(s?) seems to enjoy the misery pretty much, otherwise I can't explain why they insist so much on b****ing and whining rather than just enjoy their lifes; but I for one prefer fun. I lead a really happy life, eventhough I have some serious trouble going on and cooking up. But, so what? Will I now "escape" from life or whatever, just because it offers me some misery? No, I will simply focus on the brighter sides of life and everything looks a lot nicer all of a sudden. The world isn't such a terrible place and life isn't such a horrid fate. It's all about focus.

I wasn't really trying to say that life is completely miserable but that I believe the thing we call "fun" is our way of coping with or escaping our miseries. Not sure if I'm making sense here. We party because there's tragedy all around us and we naturally want to balance it out.

[Twilight Knight]

This, Shane, is so remarkably stupid. Do you even know what you're saying? >_<

Seriously, you're not going to randomly turn into a (accidental) killer just because you got drunk. That isn't happening, we do not live in a world where that is normal. People get drunk every day, some people even more often (and those people need help), but very few of those people will ever commit a felony, because the majority of our population is, mostly, law-abiding citizens. Unless you're drinking when you're underage, but it's still not going to make you a murderer.

Yep, there are reasons for having laws against drunk driving. It's not the alcohol that makes you pass the law, but it's you that does. You can't blame that on alcohol.

[Shane]

Trust me, a hell lot of people drink drive in my town and there were some cases people ended up dying. A lot of gangs (both drunk or not drunk) killed or bashed a lot of people (again drunk or not drunk)

This seems to speak for itself why I'm not drinking when I'm over the limit or at parties... But fine I'll take a beer or two and then decide but that's that we will just have to wait and see.

Edited by Shane, 21 October 2011 - 08:18 AM.

[Bourkification]

With drink driving cases, it is more the mentality of the people that they can 'get away' with drink driving, rather than the alcohol's effects.

[NoeL]

But fine I'll take a beer or two and then decide but that's that we will just have to wait and see.

Not anytime soon you won't - you're only 14. Wait at LEAST 3-4 years before you try it. It's not going anywhere.

Trust me, a hell lot of people drink drive in my town and there were some cases people ended up dying. A lot of gangs (both drunk or not drunk) killed or bashed a lot of people (again drunk or not drunk)

This seems to speak for itself why I'm not drinking when I'm over the limit or at parties...

You shouldn't be drinking at your age regardless, but you don't need to stay away from alcohol to protect your friends, just don't drink and drive! It's not like getting drunk will land you behind the wheel (unless you're an idiot). Even while drunk it's easy to not drive - just don't do it!

As Bourkification said, the people that drink drive do so because they don't want to arrange alternative transport, and/or think they're together enough to make it home - and most of the time they'll still be able to drive fairly competently. What alcohol impairs, and what makes drink driving so dangerous, are your reflexes. Alcohol slows your reaction time, so if something unexpected happens and you need to brake or swerve suddenly you're at a much greater risk if you're drunk. It's not like getting drunk makes you want to go driving without thinking or anything. It doesn't change who you are as a person, so if you know you shouldn't drink and drive you won't.

[Skipper]

You know, I never did do that whole "partying" thing. Never have, never will; it doesn't interest me in the slightest. Like... what do people do at parties? Talk to others and dance? Drink themselves into a stupor? Sorry, but that's not my idea of having a fun time; besides, I don't like being with a large group of people. Makes me feel uncomfortable.

For example, a few days ago I was told by a friend that she managed to get a hold of marijuana, and that she was going to smoke it with a few friends that night. She invited me, as well, but... I mean, I know marijuana is not nearly as bad for people as one might think. It's not addictive (unless you count psychological addiction), and it has no lasting side-effects. But still, I turned down the invitation; it just doesn't interest me, I suppose.



I'm a party pooper. :P

Edited by Skipper, 24 October 2011 - 09:45 PM.