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[Hunter P Brown]

yes, I find taht funny as well. And yes, I will enjoy my life with God by my side. You, however, will endour pain like never before if you don't convert to the good side. God's strength is beyond infinity while Satan's is merely weak, for he knows that if he comes around, especially around me, he will be beaten. You go ahead and say your satanic prayer to these "things" you call fairy tale books.

"Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil." ~Psalm 23:4

Edit: And he doesn't kill you, because you are a creature of him. You were born from man and woman. If you want to die so bad, do it yourself. But don't force God to do it for you what you can do yourself. But I beg of you, do not commence this feat, as it will cost your the ultimate price that is far beyound death. I won't be held responsible if you do that. But it's your choice and yours alone.

Edited by Hunter P Brown, 02 April 2005 - 07:37 PM.

[Stungun]

God hasn't killed ANYONE in a long time. He doesn't kill anymore. The blood sacrifices that used to be made, have been paid by Jesus.

He loved us so much that he sent his own son to die for us, so that we would not have to pay in blood anymore.

Just think about that for a moment...

[Jaivaz]

Oh really, then explain the death of 230,000 (and more) last December?

I'm sure you'll go straight to saying "That was a natural disaster, god had nothing to do with it!"

But, doesn't your god control ALL, including the uncaring force of Nature?

[Hunter P Brown]

Read my edit and find out for yourself.

[Jaivaz]

You go ahead and say your satanic prayer to these "things" you call fairy tale books.

There is no such thing as a Prayer for Satanists. Also, many of the names that were mutilated in the fairy tale book came from Paganism, and many other religions that existed before Christianity.

[Anthus]

Yeah that was a little uncalled for, you didn't have to be so mean, and call him "special ed"...

Anyway, I stand by the notion to search for truth. The truth is not in the bible if you are not religious (well, a christian anyway). If you are not religious, the truth is found by disproving a/ that religion. I don't fear death, or the unknown, or what is "beyond" death. I really can't say wether or not, I believe in life after death, or reincarnation. It does seem that one could be recreated, but I do not know. There is no proof, so I can't say I believe.

There is a difference between faith and proof. Faith is basing a statement or beliefe on what you want it to be, or what you want to hear. Faith has nothingt backing it up other than unproven belifes of other peole, or some book. Proof, or a proven thing has true fact that can back it up. This also has to do with what you think. If you are religious, you can believe that anything in the bible is a fact, proven by itself but (this is my opinion only) the things in the bible are not true. It is all based on believing

I say that the bible is not proven, but others could say that it is proof within itself. Others could say the same about the big bang theory, but there is one little problem, IT WAS PROVEN!!! If you can find a way other than "becasue the bible says so", then maybe I will listen to you with atleast one ear open!

I will not believe in something unless it is proven, or if I just plain agree with it. I believe in finding the truth for yourself, or what ever religion suits you best, I do not belive in some book...

Again, it is all belief belief belief belief!!!

[Jaivaz]

Yeah that was a little uncalled for, you didn't have to be so mean, and call him "special ed"...

Hmm...

I didn't get to see that in his posts, you are referring to what he may have said to me? Either way, he's correct.. I am 'Special Ed'..


Only I'm in GT (Sort of like an AP program)... so..

[Hero_of_Hyrule]

yet the only 'proof'  of any gods are the myths of olden times and 'faith'.

WE are the proof of God's existance. This planet, the entire universe, is the proof that God exists.
Something can't exist without a "creator". You can't have something that wasn't created and just simply "popped" into existence. ESPECIALLY something as complex as humans or any other living, breathing thing. And our planet...it's just PERFECT for supporting life. Everything just happens to be the EXACT way it needs to be. If anything was just a little differen't, there couldn't be life on this planet. So you really think that everything just kinda "fell into place" and that's how we got here? The earth is "just the right distance" from the sun. Any closer and we would all burn, any further, and we would all freeze. And the speed of Earth's rotation on its axis, completing one turn every 24 hours, means that the sun warms the planet evenly. Compare earth to the moon, where there are incredible temperature variations because it lacks sufficient atmosphere or water to retain or deflect the sun's energy. So you think the earth just "happened" to get this way?

Another thing that is "just right" is the size of the earth. It's "just the right" size for the atmosphere we need. Its size and corresponding gravity hold a thin, but not too thin, layer of gases to protect us and allow us to breathe. When astronaut John Glenn returned to space, one of the things that struck him was how thin and fragile our atmosphere is (only 50 miles above the Earth). If our planet were smaller it couldn't support an atmosphere, like on Mercury. If it were larger, like Jupiter, the atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, which is poison for us.

The fact that we live on a "just right" planet in a "just right" universe is evidence that it all was created by a loving God.

[Stungun]

But here's the thing. Scientists have been trying to disprove God for quite a while. And they only lead to more unsolved mysteries, that point to the fact that God does exist.

And you know what I think? These unsolved mysteries will just keep becoming deeper, and deeper, and deeper as these people keep trying to get to the bottom of it. They will become completely consumed in the search for the bottom, that they don't notice the awnser staring them straight in the face. And they will never disprove God, for as long as there are unsolved mysteries, there is always reason to believe in a God. Becuase God is responsible for the enigmas of the universe, that can't be solved otherwise.

And Hero_of_Hyrule's post doesn't say that a nonexistant God is impossible, but VERY improbable. Suuuure, you could say there wasn't a God. Sure, you could say this is the one-in-a-quintillion chance that everything just fell together. Sure, we could say that God doesn't exist, and all of this just... is coincidence.

But what are the odds? Wouldn't it be more logical to asusme there IS a God?

And that is all I'm going to say for the day.

-Stungun, the Warrior of Light, Out.

Edited by Stungun, 02 April 2005 - 07:49 PM.

[Hunter P Brown]

I'm with Stungun on that one. For now, I'm done for theday. If you care to continue, then go ahead and waste your breath. You might lose weight in doing so, but you won't be wasting my time on this fairy tale of yours about there not being a God.

If I get in trouble for what I said, then so be it. I've done nothing wrong to my knowledge. Not a cuss or a troll.

Edit: Hero_of_Hyrule, you are a great man to be helping the good guys. thank to your post and Stungun's, Hapkido Masters, Upbeat Penguins, and the rest of the Christians, we shall win this. We're not in it for teh winning. We are in it for the truth! The truth that THERE IS A GOD!!!!!!!!!

Edited by Hunter P Brown, 02 April 2005 - 07:51 PM.

[Anthus]

I was in GT in 6th grade...

WE are the proof of God's existance. This planet, the entire universe, is the proof that God exists.
Something can't exist without a "creator". You can't have something that wasn't created and just simply "popped" into existence. ESPECIALLY something as complex as humans or any other living, breathing thing. And our planet...it's just PERFECT for supporting life. Everything just happens to be the EXACT way it needs to be. If anything was just a little differen't, there couldn't be life on this planet. So you really think that everything just kinda "fell into place" and that's how we got here? The earth is "just the right distance" from the sun. Any closer and we would all burn, any further, and we would all freeze. And the speed of Earth's rotation on its axis, completing one turn every 24 hours, means that the sun warms the planet evenly. Compare earth to the moon, where there are incredible temperature variations because it lacks sufficient atmosphere or water to retain or deflect the sun's energy. So you think the earth just "happened" to get this way?

Anyway, WE are not proof of god, because we are not his creations. He did not make me, I, like any other human evolved from ealier homosapian life forms. Yes, I do belive that we just "popped" into existance. Its called the proven big bang theory! Yes, I do belive that the atmosphear was just perfecy for supporting life. It was a very very low chance, but it wasn't an impossible chance. The atmosphear, and ecosystem has changed greatly over the several billion years of this planets existance. Yes, the creator was da da da da, no specific object, but an event. I'll give you three guesses, the big bang theory, that is correct!

Some can say that the universe is proof of gods existance like;

WE are the proof of God's existance. This planet, the entire universe, is the proof that God exists.

Other like myself will say that the universe, and all of its contents are not proof of god. The universe repeats it self. This is hard to explain, but I'll try. If you have a spuare sheet of paper, you can try to fold it from the center so that it looks like a circle, ok? Well, you know it wouldn't be perfect, and there would be many folds. This is how the universe is. When it expaned, it creted amny paralell folds. Each of these folds is either 2 minutes (roughly) ahead, or behind the other. This goes on for ever, so unlike the paper, it would have no shape, or properties. It would be just a huge, well, we can't comprehend.The farther away from the "center" (where the big bang explosion started) you are the slower time flows, becsue the plain it wider. Like a pizza, but insted of cuts they are overlapping folds. It is wider the farther you are from the center. Since time goes slower, it is still seen as two miutes. The measure of time does not change, just the feeling of time. My point is, if it keeps repeating and going back farther with each "fold", God couldn't create the universe, because it would keep repeating. Tiee would aslo stop if you go so far from the center, so nothing else could happen. This proves the big bang theory true, becasuse it says that it repeats it self, as do the folds, so there is a different big bang for each "demension", and a new universe per dinemsion, so it would go on forever. There would be no end to the big bang, and it would breate a new universe, and a new set of infinite demensions every two miutes! but there is olny one god, and great creation. Plus, the universe is older then the earth obviously, so how could god create the something that dates back to be oldet than him?

(In response to Hunter P.)
Fairy tale..?! I think god is the fairy tale here!

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Hunter P Brown is a Christian, and is not afraid of a Satanic Mo Fo or an Atheist SOB. If you want to debate with me with the exsistance of God, then do it! I Dare you! Come and do it!! I will win!

~Hunter P.'s sig

I think that is abusing moderator powers. I personaly think that he is trolling. He is refering to Jaivaz and myself -->

Satanic Mo Fo or an Atheist SOB

I would like to request that that is removed from his sig.

Edited by tobias_daboi, 02 April 2005 - 08:19 PM.

[Hero_of_Hyrule]

He did not make me, I, like any other human evolved from ealier homosapian life forms.

I'm sorry to hear that you would rather believe we evolved from apes then being created in the perfect image of God. I am a HUMAN BEING, not the evolved form of some "animal"!

Its called the proven big bang theory!

If it has been "proven", then why do they still call it a "theory"?

[Anthus]

There are archyological findings of Christ (this does not mean that he was some magical god), but religion is still a thoery...

Yes I will believe that we evolved from apes because it is true! Adam and Eve were human, correct? So why are there no HUNAM remains from so many years ago?

There is a difference between faith and proof. Faith is basing a statement or beliefe on what you want it to be, or what you want to hear. Faith has nothingt backing it up other than unproven belifes of other peole, or some book. Proof, or a proven thing has true fact that can back it up. This also has to do with what you think. If you are religious, you can believe that anything in the bible is a fact, proven by itself but (this is my opinion only) the things in the bible are not true. It is all based on believing

That about does that...

Ahem, also, if god loves peole so much and hates sin, then why does he let people kill, and still live even if they have commited a sin. Why doesn't he kill them, and rid the world of these sinners before they do it again..?

*coughbibblecontradictsitselfsomanytimesitsnotevenfunnycough*

Edited by tobias_daboi, 02 April 2005 - 08:48 PM.

[Mad Dog]

I cannot understand why people can believe in such a BOOK! In fact, naming it a book is such a disgrace to all great pieces of literature out there. Fun fact: None of the founding fathers of America believed in a god.

Hmm... Let me get this straight. You say that you don't know how anyone could believe in such a book, when the one you quote as avidly as we do is barely known of, written by a man who cares for no one or nothing.

And the founding fathers were indeed Christian! Why the deuce do you think they left England!? To practice a religion other than the one the King of England practiced!

Here's a fun fact for you: The whole 'separation of church and state' was written by the founding fathers to keep the state out of church affairs, not the church out of state affairs, as it's been comprehended today.

Ahem, also, if god loves peole so much and hates sin, then why does he let people kill, and still live even if they have commited a sin. Why doesn't he kill them, and rid the world of these sinners before they do it again..?

... Because that would take away the whole free will thing He's got going on.

Edited by Hapkido Master, 02 April 2005 - 09:12 PM.

[Jaivaz]

Simple, to defeat your enemy, know and become your enemy. It's simple.

And, free will? Yes, we have free will alright..

"Kiss my ass and go to a happy little place where you can't have any fun and all you can do is kiss my ass!"
"And if you refuse, I'll hunt you down and blow your brains out!"
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GEORGE WASHINGTON: Letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792. "Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that their religious fights would not endanger the peace of Society."

JOHN ADAMS: Letters to F.A. Van Der Kamp 1809-1816. "How has it happened that millions of myths, fables, legends and tales have been blended with Jewish and Christian fables and myths and have made them the most bloody religion that has ever existed? Filled with the sordid and detestable purposes of superstition and fraud?"

THOMAS JEFFERSON: Notes on Religion, passed in the Assembly of Virginia, in the Year, 1786. "I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Million of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."

Letter to Thomas Whittemore, June 5, 1822: "Christian creeds and doctrines, the clergy's own fatal inventions, through all the ages has made of Christendom a slaughterhouse, and divided it into sects of inextinguishable hatred for one another."

JAMES MADISON: Father of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. From his speech to the General Assemble of Virginia, 1785. "During almost fifteen centuries, the legal establishment of Christianity has been on trial. What have been the fruits of this trial? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; and in both, clergy and laity, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

Among the principal founder of this nation was THOMAS PAINE, who first used the words "The United States of America." He was read daily to Washington's troops to keep them motivated. A memorial is now being built to Paine in Washington, D.C.

From Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason": "The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator's name by attaching it to this filthy book."

Please do remember that I am writing about "religion" not "spirituality." They are two different subjects. Our founders, as many others, recognized the fact that religion has been the greatest obstacle to our spiritual evolution as a species. "Religion is a disease," wrote HERACLITUS. Our American giant RALPH WALDO EMERSON put it in these words for our times: "Christian doctrines and creeds are a disease of the intellect."

Also, we are all animals. Admit it or not. Why else do we rely on smells, hearing, and others things as much as animals? Why do we remember things when we think of a certain smell? We're animals.

Edited by Jaivaz, 02 April 2005 - 09:34 PM.