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[Magi_Hero]

Journalists will never get anything completely right. They aren't managerial staff for game production companies. They're the same as us; speculating fake Facebook news.

I didn't play TP, SS or WW. I'm way behind and not expecting a blowout of a game. Maybe I should catch up. Will I try it because it's a Zelda game? Sure! Will I worship it because it's a Zelda game? Hell no. (Unless it's deserved.)

[DashSim]

Well, I mean. I've no doubt they could have gotten Zelda out in 2015. But who'd rather play that version of the game?

Like, why are we trusting these leaks? They got female Link wrong, what credibility do they have?

Because essentially every other aspect of the Switch was correctly leaked?

[Deedee]

I highly doubt BotW isn't a launch title for NX. Why the hell would they focus all of E3 on it, and delay it by 2 years, if it's not going to be a launch title for NX? Honestly, getting sick of everybody expecting yet another delay just because somebody who got a couple of things right about NX (such as the release month) says it will get delayed. Since when is Emily a first hand source? Normally I'd be all for these rumors, but after getting hopes of for CS after Emily said that wouldn't be SS2 (which it was), her getting the female Link and full voice acting in BotW wrong, and the fact that yet another delay goes against common sense, really makes me doubt this rumor. Next thing you know, she'll go around announcing that Nintendo will be abandoning the switch the moment it launches and everyone will believe her...

[DashSim]

What exactly is the argument being made here? Is it your belief that Rogers and the other leakers doesn't have genuine, credible sources? Or that they do, but still makes things up sometimes anyway? Because, given the evidence, one of those is a very silly and maybe even unreasonable thing to believe, and the other is... a very silly and maybe even unreasonable thing to believe. So, uh, pick your functionally indistinguishable poison, I guess.

[Deedee]

What exactly is the argument being made here? Is it your belief that Rogers and the other leakers doesn't have genuine, credible sources? Or that they do, but still makes things up sometimes anyway? Because, given the evidence, one of those is a very silly and maybe even unreasonable thing to believe, and the other is... a very silly and maybe even unreasonable thing to believe. So, uh, pick your functionally indistinguishable poison, I guess.

The former. I believe Emily is making things up and sometimes gets things right (A broke clock is right twice a day). Like, "Oh Switch will get revealed this month", and then piggybacking on a new site that say "Oh NX is tomorrow" doesn't exactly require a credible source. Seriously getting tired of people taking her word as if Nintendo themselves said it.

Edited by Dimentio, 18 November 2016 - 01:47 PM.

[DashSim]

That's... absurd. This is directly in the territory of 'I haven't really been paying close attention but have Strong Opinions anyway.' And I have to assume it's a case of not paying close attention, because the sheer number of coincidences that would need to occur for these leaks to be straight-up made up would take a far greater suspension of disbelief than just believing that some people have sources who can leak Nintendo information. Not just Rogers, but Eurogamer and Laura Kate Dale. These leaks are correct too often to be rationally dismissed in this way.

I'm pretty sure it's no longer a stopped clock when it's correct a majority of the time. Months in advance, even! Such an impressive clock!

Hey, not saying Zelda's delayed. Just saying the place where that information is coming from is usually pretty solid, and we shouldn't mislead ourselves otherwise.

[TheLegend_njf]

So wait, let me get this straight. The delay is just a rumor?

Also, I'll have to side with Dimentio. Despite Scoot's defense that implies one mistake should not be taken into account. It's the calibur of the mistake that matters. "One mistake" has ruined people's careers in the past. So yes, sometimes one mistake can easily go against journalistic credibility. When it comes to reporting and journalism. It is in your best interests to try to be accurate. Especially when it comes to rumors of great impact. (Ex: Link is a girl; Zelda misses Switch launch).

A good journalist does what they can to avoid rumors altogether until those rumors gain tremendous weight that they become nearly impossible to deny.

It's fair to say that I can be a skeptic in this particular matter.

[DashSim]

It's not that one mistake shouldn't be taken into account, it's that the overall track record as a whole is solid once it is taken into account.

[Moonbread]

Actually, I should point out something misleading in my initial post- this wouldn't be a delay.  Releasing it in the summer, or hell, even for the holidays wouldn't delaying it any further than they've already said, because Nintendo never said one word about it being a launch title.  They just said it would release in 2017.  It could release on December 31st next year and they wouldn't be lying.  We all just got it in our heads that they implied it was a launch title.

 

You know, I would personally say that one person's credibility should be ruined with one mistake if like, human lives or the economy are depending on it.  Not if they were wrong for thinking a rumor (that probably did have a lot of weight behind it, there's likely a ton of rumors flying around behind the scenes and they've gotta pick and choose which ones seem most likely) about a video game was right.  And it sure is convenient that despite all these things that Emily Rogers and Eurogamer have been right about before (Switch, Paper Mario, Breath of the Wild, etc), you choose to ignore all of those and focus on the one thing that was wrong before.  Hey, remember how she was wrong about there being a female Link option, but literally right about everything else about Breath of the Wild before E3?  Weird how that was left out of this discussion, huh?  There has never been a journalist who has been right about everything.  There probably never will be.  The best thing we can do is see what they were right about vs what they were wrong about and balance it fairly, not say, "Well they were wrong about this one thing so let's just ignore the rest of it."

[Cukeman]

During the NES era and never since.

 

Actually wasn't there a chip shortage that either delayed Zelda 2 or made it rare until they could produce more? Yup, there was demand for that game

[Anthus]

Speaking of delays, AlttP was kinda delayed (from wikipedia. I looked this up on a lark while wondering just how many Zeldas were actually delayed.)

In 1988, development of a new NES Zelda began, but one year later, the project was brought to Nintendo's next console; the Super Famicom in Japan, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System in other regions.[14] Due to the success of previous titles in the series, Nintendo was able to invest a large budget and ample development time and resources into the game's production.[15] At the time, most SNES game cartridges had 4 Mbit (512 KB) of storage space. This game broke the trend by using 8 Mbit (1 MB), allowing the Nintendo development team to create a remarkably expansive world for Link to inhabit.

Hmm, 4 years? Sounds familiar


Edit: And considering how awesome ALttP is, this is probably a good thing.

[Anarchy_Balsac]

What exactly is the argument being made here? Is it your belief that Rogers and the other leakers doesn't have genuine, credible sources? 

 

Rogersbase claimed several times to know when the final Smash character reveal was happening, failed every time, and didn't call it when it actually DID happen.

[DashSim]

Rogersbase claimed several times to know when the final Smash character reveal was happening, failed every time, and didn't call it when it actually DID happen.

Oh, I was unclear, I meant Emily Rogers. Sorry! I've no idea who Rogersbase is.

[Anarchy_Balsac]

Ah, may bad.  Still, I would say a good rule of thumb is that unless a leaker has a history of mostly accurate "leaks", you can safely ignore them.

Edited by Anarchy_Balsac, 19 November 2016 - 10:54 PM.

[Anthus]

My cousin works at Nintendo, and told me the delay is to replace Link with Tingle, and redirect the game to a game where you draw a map of the entire world.