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#811 Moonbread

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 04:03 PM

So ever since the first trailer- hell, since the first footage we got- I've been taking some time occasionally to theorize on what Breath of the Wild's circumstances could be; how and why things are the way they are.  And last month, I really sat down and wrote out my thoughts regarding Link, Ganon, The Guardians, and the state of Hyrule.  I've finally decided to share it for the hell of it, so here's what I my thoughts and theories are:
 
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Posted 23 October 2016 - 04:37 PM

The idea that BotW Link is OoT Link (defeated but not killed somehow) is an interesting one, putting BotW in the Hyrule Decline timeline before ALttP. I don't know if that's possible. I wonder why that timeline branch mentions "The Last Hero". I've been assuming BotW is post-TP since we're supposed to learn more about TP in this game, but then I guess that could be backstory material for stuff in TP... come to think of it, I guess none of these suggestions really shed light on the game.

 

EDIT: Wait a minute, where's the US Hyrule Historia timeline? All the images I found say translated by so and so.


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Posted 24 October 2016 - 12:17 AM

On one hand, there's a lot of things that I feel like would work with the Child timeline- the remnants of the Temple of Time and Market particularly strike me, and the bridge that Link crosses in the first full trailer immediately brought me back to Twilight Princess.  On the other, there's looking at it from the perspective that since Breath of the Wild is returning to the series' roots, it would make sense for them to also return to the timeline of the original games- Decline.  It's tough to say.  They both also share keeping the Master Sword in the forest so neither side wins that one, which might've been the smoking wand if not for Twilight Princess.

 

I have toyed around with thoughts that this is in between Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past, since yeah, it claims that Link was defeated, but never says killed- which might mean that Ganondorf got close, but the sages stepped in right before it was fatal and did an imperfect sealing; and the Shrine of Resurrection was meant to heal him from nearly fatal injuries.  But the tech just seems too advanced only after 100 years- it feels like too many events would've happened after OoT for everything to be set into motion how it is, what with the Guardians, the Pillars, etc.  And Ganon was sealed in Hyrule Castle, which... wasn't really a place anymore.  Of course, he could've escaped in the time that they rebuilt the Castle and they had to seal him off AGAIN after more destruction, while Link is still hidden away recovering.  There's a strong case for it with exploring the ruins of the Temple of Time that is clearly OoT's (destroyed by Ganon's return?), and they could even set up how the Master Sword might've been significantly damaged when Link lost and also why it was moved to a new location for its resting place.  There's a lot of possibilities for where this could go, and it's honestly really fun thinking about how it would fit where through what evidence.  Should be fun to piece together when we get the game.


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Posted 24 October 2016 - 01:35 AM

Maybe Link was defeated by having his soul split from his body, like what happened to Zelda in Spirit Tracks.

 

Also I should point out that "100 years" is not literal. In Japanese, the word for "hundred" and "hundreds" is the same, there is no distinction for singular and plural. It just means a really long time.



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Posted 24 October 2016 - 10:46 AM

The Sheikah Slate did say that Link had been asleep for the past 100 years in one of the gameplay videos, so it has been translated as such, though.



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Posted 25 October 2016 - 03:49 AM

    I always liked the idea that OoT Link changed his destiny when he first pulled the Master Sword. How can it be your destiny to alter the natural course of history through time travel? If Link never pulled the Master Sword Ganondorf couldn't get the Triforce the way he did.

    I think it would be cool if the ALttP branch was the future Link cancelled when he took up the Master Sword- it would be a lot cleaner than "What if OoT Link was defeated because who knows why". Maybe he could end up defeated due to the course of events resulting from his choice not to pull the Master Sword out of the Pedestal of Time.

   Not saying any of this is canon, agrees with existing lore or even makes any sense time-travel wise, I just like the idea.

   Still thinking of the potential of BotW Link to be OoT Link sleeping for a lot more than 7 years.


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Posted 08 November 2016 - 12:35 PM



On one hand, there's a lot of things that I feel like would work with the Child timeline- the remnants of the Temple of Time and Market particularly strike me, and the bridge that Link crosses in the first full trailer immediately brought me back to Twilight Princess.  On the other, there's looking at it from the perspective that since Breath of the Wild is returning to the series' roots, it would make sense for them to also return to the timeline of the original games- Decline.  It's tough to say.  They both also share keeping the Master Sword in the forest so neither side wins that one, which might've been the smoking wand if not for Twilight Princess.

 

I have toyed around with thoughts that this is in between Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past, since yeah, it claims that Link was defeated, but never says killed- which might mean that Ganondorf got close, but the sages stepped in right before it was fatal and did an imperfect sealing; and the Shrine of Resurrection was meant to heal him from nearly fatal injuries.  But the tech just seems too advanced only after 100 years- it feels like too many events would've happened after OoT for everything to be set into motion how it is, what with the Guardians, the Pillars, etc.  And Ganon was sealed in Hyrule Castle, which... wasn't really a place anymore.  Of course, he could've escaped in the time that they rebuilt the Castle and they had to seal him off AGAIN after more destruction, while Link is still hidden away recovering.  There's a strong case for it with exploring the ruins of the Temple of Time that is clearly OoT's (destroyed by Ganon's return?), and they could even set up how the Master Sword might've been significantly damaged when Link lost and also why it was moved to a new location for its resting place.  There's a lot of possibilities for where this could go, and it's honestly really fun thinking about how it would fit where through what evidence.  Should be fun to piece together when we get the game.

 

Two Words: Calamity Ganon

 

It is VERY doubtful that it does not take place in the downfall timeline.


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#818 The Satellite

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 03:13 PM

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No news, just a neat little detail.



#819 Moonbread

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 03:15 PM

Would be cool if this is a hint that the tunic you can eventually find is styled after Z1's, though.



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Posted 09 November 2016 - 11:30 PM

Probably instead it's a hint that this is a reboot of Z1.


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#821 Cukeman

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Posted 12 November 2016 - 10:28 PM

I don't think you choose not to cash in on the hype that would create.



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Posted 13 November 2016 - 01:12 AM

Nintendo has done plenty of dumb things lately, from calling its own audience misogynist, to botching the Amiibo stuff.  So you'd be surprised.  Besides, people refuse to quit buying their shit, so it's NOT like they have incentive to start being smart now.



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Posted 13 November 2016 - 01:29 AM

Please stop.

 

Look, no one in this thread wants to debate Nintendo's ethics. No one wants to talk about the merits of Nintendo's business decisions and whether or not they were good ones. We just want to talk about a game that's coming up, one that has many of us excited, and, sure, isn't free from criticism, but we just want to talk about the game. Please stop trying to force your anti-Nintendo rhetoric into every thread.


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Posted 13 November 2016 - 12:24 PM

Please stop.

 

Look, no one in this thread wants to debate Nintendo's ethics. No one wants to talk about the merits of Nintendo's business decisions and whether or not they were good ones. We just want to talk about a game that's coming up, one that has many of us excited, and, sure, isn't free from criticism, but we just want to talk about the game. Please stop trying to force your anti-Nintendo rhetoric into every thread.

 

My apologies if I annoyed anybody, but I can assure you it is less an agenda, and more a natural reaction to having seen them do a lot of terrible things over the summer.

 

But to Pivot to Breath of the Wild - My opinion is that it seems like a very expansive reboot of Zelda 1, I want to believe it is finally Zelda 3, but the odds of that are extremely low.



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Posted 13 November 2016 - 04:13 PM

Wasn't Link to the Past supposed to be Zelda 3? I've got some ancient Nintendo Power magazines laying around that described it as such while it was still in development.




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