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[Mitchfork]

Just a helpful reminder that this isn't really on-topic... if you'd like to debate the death penalty or the morality/ethics of the issues surrounding Osama's death, please take it to the debate forum. Otherwise, let's just continue talking about our reactions to the death.

Just to clarify my position, I think it is good that he got justice in one way or another, but I think that terrorism is a distraction issue that is used to keep people from focusing on real problems in our nation (America, because I know not everyone posting here is American). Like... good job guys, but let's start trying to get oil prices down now.

[Radien]

I'm not surprised that U.S. forces eventually succeeded, but I am pleased to hear that there was no enigma about it. Someone didn't manage to drag his body away so they could pretend he was still alive.

Of course this isn't the last straw, but it's a big blow to the current terrorist forces of the world. Bin Laden's survival was an example of someone who managed to do a large amount of damage and kill many people from a very distant location and still manage to survive the resulting backlash. And THAT wild goose chase he gave is finally over.

For the record, I think it would be ideal if he had been brought to justice on trial in America, but given the whole Gitmo debacle it's obvious that plenty of people think that fair trials aren't meant for everybody, even though it's pretty much 100% sure that he'd have gotten the death sentence if we'd brought him over here. The result would have been the same as far as the consequences for him, but fair trials are very important in a democracy. That's my view (and many others, actually).

[Sheik]

For the record, I think it would be ideal if he had been brought to justice on trial in America, but given the whole Gitmo debacle it's obvious that plenty of people think that fair trials aren't meant for everybody, even though it's pretty much 100% sure that he'd have gotten the death sentence if we'd brought him over here. The result would have been the same as far as the consequences for him, but fair trials are very important in a democracy. That's my view (and many others, actually).

In my opinion, it would've been best if he got in front of a court and got arrested for the rest of his life. That would've been enough. Death pentalty upon him would be even worse than what happened, there'd be even more pathos in America and large parts of the world. Not only that, but it would've been a punch in the face of AQ and similar, as it would've screamed "this is our justice" and that would have provoked them even more than this might have done. We'll see this in the future, I believe.

[William]

If you ask me, you should change the name of this thread to Osama Bin Dead.

[Fabbrizio]

I must say that as glad as I am that he's gone, I hate that he had to be killed. Nobody deserves to die, and to kill someone because they killed people is complete hypocrisy. I hated Osama Bin Laden, but I you can't deny that to quite a few people in the Middle East, this will look extremely sadistic and we can probably expect a retaliation attack.

AL QUAEDA IS NOT GONE JUST BECAUSE BIN LADEN IS GONE, PEOPLE!

Bin Laden, at this point, is a bit of a non-issue. This was plain and simple a mission for revenge. I can completely respect Obama's determination for getting this done, and I think that it's great that it's now over, but I think the media is butchering the point. They play it up as REMOVING THE FACE OF TERRORISM = REMOVING TERRORISM, which is completely false.

I also don't like that American mentality towards Muslims that has developed since the attack. VERY FEW MUSLIMS ARE ACTUALLY EVIL. Remember that before you make rash statements. There are Muslims living in your neighborhoods, and if you stereotype them as terrorists, they have more claim to the land they live on than you do to yours.

Just my $0.02, since I think the general perception here is pretty fricked up.

[Din]

Osama did some terrible things. But, I don't think anybody deserves to die. Think about it. We preach nonviolence, forgiveness, freedom...

...and then our actions speak of the opposite. Killing another human is killing another human, regardless of who they were. We kill our enemy in the name of peace and justice, but what does that truly reflect? Does it reflect goodwill, forgiveness, happiness? In killing Bin Laden, we have stooped to his own level. This is not a good example we are setting for our brothers and sisters.

"An eye for an eye makes the world blind." -Mahatmas Gandhi.

Don't get me wrong. I hated what he had done. But, dying is easy. Living is hard. I believe that Bin Laden should have been captured and, perhaps, been left to confront the victims of those he had hurt. All of them. Then, those victims should have been given the freedom to say what they had wanted to this man whom had hurt them. That is true pain. Not death. Knowing of your own utter arrogance.

Edited by Din, 02 May 2011 - 05:30 PM.

[Mitchfork]

I must say that as glad as I am that he's gone, I hate that he had to be killed. Nobody deserves to die, and to kill someone because they killed people is complete hypocrisy. I hated Osama Bin Laden, but I you can't deny that to quite a few people in the Middle East, this will look extremely sadistic and we can probably expect a retaliation attack.

AL QUAEDA IS NOT GONE JUST BECAUSE BIN LADEN IS GONE, PEOPLE!

Bin Laden, at this point, is a bit of a non-issue. This was plain and simple a mission for revenge. I can completely respect Obama's determination for getting this done, and I think that it's great that it's now over, but I think the media is butchering the point. They play it up as REMOVING THE FACE OF TERRORISM = REMOVING TERRORISM, which is completely false.

Everyone already knows that. People are happy that he's dead because he's "the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks," not because this is an absolute victory over Al Queda (although I think that any organization that has its leader killed off will be hurt by it). Hell, the media is playing up the possible repercussions; they're marketing the fact that terrorism isn't gone.

[Jared]

I believe that Bin Laden should have been captured and, perhaps, been left to confront the victims of those he had hurt. All of them. Then, those victims should have been given the freedom to say what they had wanted to this man whom had hurt them. That is true pain. Not death. Knowing of your own utter arrogance.

This is EXACTLY what should have been done. Make him feel all the pain that all the families felt of 9/11.
But don't worry. He's down... "there" working forever...and ever and ever.

[William]

This is EXACTLY what should have been done. Make him feel all the pain that all the families felt of 9/11.
But don't worry. He's down... "there" working forever...and ever and ever.

Actually, he is in the custody of the United States of America. His "spirit" is nonexistent. If there is a "God" though, then I'm sure you're right. I don't see why he would go to Heaven for what he did. Nonetheless, I think that Osama should've been treated like Hussein, and brought to fair trial.

[Russ]

The problem is trying to catch him would have been too risky. Remember, we spent 10 years finding him. Can you imagine how horrible it would be to let him slip through our fingers because we wanted him alive. And personally, I don't think he deserved a fair trial. He murdered thousands of innocent people; he should count himself lucky that he got away with a simple bullet to the head, which I image was probably a pretty quick way to go. I believe he's suffering beyond comprehension in Hell right now; nonetheless, I still wish he'd met with a worse end up here. Is it bad for me to wish that? Maybe it is. But I hate evil scum like him with a burning passion.

[Hunter P Brown]

So what? Because other's celebrate murder anyone has to jump in the boat? Human beings can actually think. Like, for themselves. They don't really need the Quran or the Bible or just about anything or anyone to tell them what to think. In my honest opinion, it's fundamentally stupid to let anyone do the thinking for you. Much worse with moral. Do you want to live your life, or do you want to be lived by anything other than you?

Um...I didn't say or mention any religion or jumping in the wagon. I said, and I quote, people are going to celebrate/be upset over his death, or have a total neutrality toward it (this part I didn't add, which I should have), but being how this was a terrorist leader, it's an impact to 90% of the planet.

Amazing how both Hitler and Osama both died on May 1st. lol.

[Jared]

Amazing how both Hitler and Osama both died on May 1st. lol.

Wow, really? That's a REALLY weird coincidence O_o

[Hunter P Brown]

Wow, really? That's a REALLY weird coincidence O_o

Well on technicality terms, April 30th, but news didn't reach the USA til May 1st. It's debated by like, hours.

[Fabbrizio]

The problem is trying to catch him would have been too risky. Remember, we spent 10 years finding him. Can you imagine how horrible it would be to let him slip through our fingers because we wanted him alive. And personally, I don't think he deserved a fair trial. He murdered thousands of innocent people; he should count himself lucky that he got away with a simple bullet to the head, which I image was probably a pretty quick way to go. I believe he's suffering beyond comprehension in Hell right now; nonetheless, I still wish he'd met with a worse end up here. Is it bad for me to wish that? Maybe it is. But I hate evil scum like him with a burning passion.

I hate him, too. But that's not the point - Din has it exactly right, we don't practice what we preach. We killed him because he killed people. It's justice, true, but it's also hypocritical.

And you kind of contradict yourself: if you hated him so much, wouldn't you be happier if he were being tortured beyond his own sanity in the bowels of Guantanamo? Death is not a punishment, considering every backup plan he had involved him dying rather than being taken captive. We played right into his hand, and he didn't suffer at all.

Edited by PowerGauntlets, 02 May 2011 - 06:10 PM.

[Gleeok]

//thread interruption for an important announcement:

I heard the US is using state of the art advanced cloning techniques so that he can be cloned and executed by thousands of mice wearing cute little tiny suicide packs, which will be televised live annually on 9/11, now known as a national holiday: Jihabupoo day, and there will be punch and pie.


//you may now resume intellectual discussion.


..I miss George Carlin. He would know what to say right now. -R.I.P. :-(