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[Hunter P Brown]

Woah, let's calm down here. Last thing we need is a flame war over religions, dude.

Everyone has their own beliefs, and I believe they should be respected.

I did my best not to flame or troll, so I am sorry if I did. And I do respect the opinions of others. But it's the fact of the people debating and I'm giving in my two and three bits.

I have not broken any rules, and I don't plan on doing so.

[Stungun]

Speaking of Albert Einstein, he was a genius who believed in God. And you know what? He was a genius, and is known all around the world. Even the most feebleminded simpleton knows who Albert Einstein is.

As he kept God and Jesus in his heart, he was filled with the Holy Spirit. He was given great gifts, and tried to put them to good use.

Any further questions?

[Jaivaz]

Just as I can't understand why people like you would assume that because of the age of a GREAT AND ALMIGHT book , and calling it a disgrace, I hope you get what you deserve. And Like I said before, I don't care what anyone says if you can't say it yourself. And the bible, if I recall, never said anything about anybody being against women and the church. I'm assuming you added that in yourself. Coward.

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"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)

"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)

"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)

"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Oh yeah, god sure loves his women.

EIDT:

Speaking of Albert Einstein, he was a genius who believed in God. And you know what? He was a genius, and is known all around the world. Even the most feebleminded simpleton knows who Albert Einstein is.

As he kept God and Jesus in his heart, he was filled with the Holy Spirit. He was given great gifts, and tried to put them to good use.

Any further questions?

Oh, really?....

"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death"-Albert Einstein

Edited by Jaivaz, 02 April 2005 - 06:38 PM.

[Hunter P Brown]

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)

Well, yeah. A Whore is a prostitute, and prostitution is a sin.

"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

It's saying that Lust is a Sin. Lust, in fact, is one of the seven deadly sins.

"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)

Well, duh. The Birth and blood loss has made her weak.

"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)

A girl takes a lot longer time than does a boy. My niece made my sister so weary from the birth that she was in the hospital for nearly two weeks.

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)

Everyone is the head of Christ. Man and Woman are the same in God's eyes.

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)

Eve was created from Adam. An idea of God to create two separate creatures of the same race. Woman was created, so that children could be beared. Sex is supposed to be a great thing of a man and a woman, not this porno crap I used to have an intrest in.

"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)

it's part of a story. A story of a woman, who followed God's ways, and who was tortured. Satan had some doing in this, and the woman lived, faith as strong as ever.

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Eve ate from the tree of Knowledge, because of that dip of an idiot, Satan, in the form of a snake. Satan has tried many times since then to try and tempt women, but they have remained Silent. They would rather not say a word than speak evil and say all that crap about Satan > God and all this other bullcrap, and I second that with all my heart.

Oh yeah, god sure loves his women.

First off, it's God, not god. And Second off, he does love women! It seems you are blind to see that.

Like I said, you don't know when to give up. I might not be very smart in the world, but I know GOD'S bible and the stories and their meanings!

[Stungun]

God may be subtle, but He isn't plain mean. -- Albert Einstein

"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." --Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

"What really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation of the world." --Albert Einstein

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
_Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium_ (1941) ch. 13

Oh, really...? I find it hard to believe that a person who doesn't believe in God talks so much about him.

And might I add in my Einstein search, I didn't find anything that looked like your quote, Jai. >_>

Edited by Stungun, 02 April 2005 - 06:55 PM.

[Jaivaz]

He could be talking about the simple being that so many think exists. Everyone believes in that one, as many believe in the hippy-in-sandles one.
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Also, lust is a Christian Sin, yet it should not be. All of the Sins are unavoidable, no matter who you are! Because of this, people will feel bad, give money to Religious ****s, and have them 'save' them erstwhile being drained of all money and logic.

And what of prostitution out of need for money? What of forced-prostitution?

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Source of quote of Einstein

Edited by Jaivaz, 02 April 2005 - 06:57 PM.

[Hunter P Brown]

There are many jobs out in the world. And Lust is everything with love without the love. That's why it is a sin. Porn stars don't love each other, they are there just for the money. As for prostitution-forced and all that other crap, I'm pure enough to not want to know that evil crap. You apparently spend all your time learning everything that is considered a sin to God. That's, to me, why you are blind to the truth.

And I never said that I was a Godly man. I have committed probably the most sins in a lifetime than anyone I know, yet I have been forgiven for each and every sin. What you seem to not realise is that to God, sin can be forgiven, no matter how many you've created, and no matter how big the offense, even if He were to look you in the eye and you spit in it, he would still forgive you! People will sin, and the sins can be forgiven, and soon, sin will be obliterated and all that will be left is Peace.

"Sin maight catch us, but God can free us!" ~Hunter P

yes, I said that. You know why, because it's the truth!

[Stungun]

It is strange, indeed, that there are many conflicting quotes of Einstein's floating about on the web. Some of them have to be false - either that, or the man was seriously confused, or he had some strange understanding we did not.

But I've found out the awnser to this confusion.

He believes not in a God that worries about humans, but rather... here's something taken from a site I searched for.
LINK

Einstein's rejection of conventional theism

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There is no personal God.


The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously. [Letter of 1946, Hoffman and Dukas]

What I cannot understand is how there could possibly be a God who would reward or punish his subjects or who could induce us to develop our will in our daily life. I cannot then believe in this concept of an anthropomorphic God who has the powers of interfering with these natural laws. [The Private Albert Einstein]

The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events - provided, of course, that he takes the hypothesis of causality really seriously. [New York Times Magazine November 9, 1930]

The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an independent cause of natural events.
[Science, Philosophy, and Religion, A Symposium]

There is no freedom of will or separate soul.

In human freedom in the philosophical sense I am definitely a disbeliever. Everybody acts not only under external compulsion but also in accordance with inner necessity. [The World as I See It]

But the scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation. The future, to him, is every whit as necessary and determined as the past. There is nothing divine about morality, it is a purely human affair. [The World As I See It]

Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning. [Letter of 5 February 1921]

There is no afterlife or punishment for sins after death.

An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. [The World as I See It]

If this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?
[Out of My Later Years]

Prayer is useless.

Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a
wish addressed to a supernatural Being. [Einstein - The Human Side]

CONVENTIONAL being the key word. He doesn't believe in the same idea of a God as we all do.

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. [Telegram of 1929, in Hoffman and Dukas]

So that's the awnser then. I got a little confused. That doesn't change my beliefs however - I have seen things myself. I am sorry that I could not show you what I have seen.

Edited by Stungun, 02 April 2005 - 07:07 PM.

[Jaivaz]

Hmm..hmm..Hmeh...
So you're saying god will forgive the beast that rends him limb from limb?
Your god may, but what human will?

Can the Jew forgive the Nazi who hates because of his religion?
Can the Catholic forgive the Christian for being labeled a Heathen?

Really, what god would care about a race as pitiful as us? Killing in the names of deities who don't even exist, killing because of minor differences, killing just for the fact of killing!

And really, if god is so great, why have so many died in his name yet I've not heard of a single person who was killed in the name of Satanism (LaVey branch).. I've heard of a few who 'claim' to have been 'controlled' by a 'Satan', but of course, they're just trying to seem insane, who wouldn't plead insane after going on a killing spree?

Also, Hunter, I suggest you follow your religion and come kill me NOW. You don't want to make your god mad.

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." So, gonna kill me? Cause I've done quite a few rituals and have used magick every day of my life. I'm a sinner, oh poor me.. Pah!

[Stungun]

Okay, here's what I've figured Einstein's beliefs were.

You know how your religion believes Satan to be a "dark force"? Well, Einstein believed something similar, and yet the opposite, as God was a "light force" as it were. His beliefs on a Satan are thus unknown.

[Hunter P Brown]

I never said that I was going to kill you. You're making things up once again. You are a creature of God, and I would never kill someone, even if I was on the brink of death with a knife to my throat, and I had an AK47 in my hand with the trigger on my hand.

Also, I consider that trolling. Please, do not do it again.

Instead of killing you, I'll do what Jesus would do. Pray for you. No other greater way than to pray for a person to be forgiven for his sins, no matter how many he has created. I will pray for you a thousand prayers to God. And not just for you. I will do it to all the people who doubt and not know of God.

I love everyone on this earth, no matter how many who would love to kill me and no matter what they have done, even people like Saddam Huesain and people that make him look like saint.

By praying for you, I have pleased God. In fact, I shall do that as soon as I get done with this post. So, see ya in a few. Go ahead and try and counter my prayer. God holds more power in his toenail than a 1000 Satan men.

[Stungun]

And a new point.

God loves people, but he hates sin. And when people are covered in sin, he can't see anything but the sin. This is why he destroyed an entire city. This is the explanation for sodom and gomorrah. That place was guilty for more than just homosexuality, it was a freaking cesspool.

Also, sin is a major deviation from the natural order God had in mind when he created the world. He created the universe to function in a certain ways. sin is, essentially, a monkey wrench in the works. It can cause major disruptions in the flow of the world. We weren't supposed to kill each other, now were we? We weren't supposed to be homosexual, now were we? This isn't how we were made to operate. It's like trying to put soda in a car engine. It just won't work. And sometimes, the backfiring of this abuse can be dangerous to oneself, or others.

[Jaivaz]

By the strength of Abbadon, may your desires be crushed. May the harlot of Babylon, and the lust of Lilith destroy you with sin.

By the strength of great Sekhmet, may the scorpions sting thine eyes. May the winds of Lucifer blow thee away....

May the waters of Leviathan, wash away your dreams! May the flames of Satan, burn you in lust...

May the strength of Belial's earth.. Crush your dreams!

Shemhamforash!
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Sure, no hard feelings, pray all you want.

Enjoy your life.

Edited by Jaivaz, 02 April 2005 - 07:34 PM.

[Stungun]

Uh...what kind of point were you trying to convey with that post? o_O Or were you trying to counter Hunter's post without even looking at mine?

I also find it odd you're using certain names from the book which you have decided to name "the fairy tale book".

Edited by Stungun, 02 April 2005 - 07:28 PM.

[Jaivaz]

Uh...what kind of point were you trying to convey with that post? o_O Or were you trying to counter Hunter's post without even looking at mine?

I also find it odd you're using certain names from the book which you have decided to name "the fairy tale book".

A simple curse made from my Satanic Bible. And the names were of beings (not literal, living things) of great power, whom's names were blackened by the disgusting white-light religions.

And I have nothing to say about your post, the fact that god will kill all because of a few sins is plain sickening. If it's really so true, why hasn't he killed me?