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[Koh]

I noticed Link doesn't get a Yellow or Purple hat from screenies...that makes me sad =(.

[HylianGlaceon]

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Or you can slash the lights out on the torches to see the paths so you won't go nuts guessing where they are.

 

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Should've figured they wouldn't be that creative then. Oh well, that ruins what I thought could've been an interesting puzzle. I'll still be doing it my way in future runs if there are any. Also doesn't make sense how slashing those torches makes the entire tower dark while the other floors should still be lit. That's why I never thought to try that.

 

@Koh:

Yep, no special colored hats. It was just another disappointment in my books as I really like how the tunics in LTTP looked.

[Aevin]

Hylian Glaceon:

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I guess we're of different minds on this, because I found the darkness revealing things to be incredibly creative. I think it's smart the way they position certain torches out of the way so that you don't think they do anything special -- those particular ones are around a chest in a way that makes it look like the chest is important and deemphasizes the torches themselves as a puzzle element. Another set in a side room is similarly positioned out of the way. When the torches are extinguished, the paths glow with a white light, so to me the logic makes a bit of sense -- the materials composing the path are glow-in-the-dark. I thought it was an awesome twist that the lantern could reveal some things but turn others invisible, and made for a cool light/dark mechanic. I've used the hammer/cane of byrna/bomb/fire rod trick both in this one and LttP, though, and it is fun.

Edited by Aevin, 03 December 2013 - 04:01 PM.

[DCEnygma]

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Should've figured they wouldn't be that creative then. Oh well, that ruins what I thought could've been an interesting puzzle. I'll still be doing it my way in future runs if there are any. Also doesn't make sense how slashing those torches makes the entire tower dark while the other floors should still be lit. That's why I never thought to try that.

 

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It's reusing a concept introduced in the Dark Palace in an environment later, one that it might not be expected in. That's normally considered proper game design: introduction of a concept followed by extrapolation of that concept later on.

[The Satellite]

- The Non-Linear promise is half a joke, it doesn't get into motion until you reach Lorule.

Not true, you can do levels two and three in either order as well.

[Shane]

Non-linearity doesn't apply to dungeons also. You can go almost about anywhere you like in the world. Hell, you can even go wild with exploring at the very start of the game.

 

Also I guess the wand was found halfway in the game because otherwise it would have been deemed useless to rent and people will complain that there's "another useless item" again. I guess the only downside is the Desert has to be tackled after beating another dungeon first.

Edited by Shane, 03 December 2013 - 04:48 PM.

[HylianGlaceon]

@DCEnygma:

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I'm well aware of the gimmick, just it does not fit with that floor. It just looks forced. That amount of darkness while the previous floors are still lit just doesn't make sense to me too. Wouldn't there be more light if there's lava below and even some torches on the previous floors? How is it able to be pitch black there? I was just hoping for something that took some more thought into it than reusing a gimmick in a previous dungeon.

 

@Aevin:

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I just feel they had a chance to make a really interesting puzzle with the invisible floor and it saddens me that such a simple solution exists. A little bit of a challenge to get the Red Mail would've been great. Especially since it isn't really required at all to beat the game. I'm fine with the light/dark gimmick, but it just didn't look right on that floor because the lower floors were still lit up and visible.

 

@Shane:

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The Boomerang was far more useless than the Sand Rod. The Sand Rod had about the same amount of required use as every other item in the game. You could throw away any item after it's one dungeon essentially. They were all Spinners, Ball & Chain and Dominion Rods.

 

Someday maybe we won't need spoiler tags..

[Koh]

Couldn't there just be a separate thread specifically for discussing the released game?  "[SPOILERS INSIDE]A Link Between the Worlds Discussion."  Something like that.  Therefore, it is implied every post will spoil something about the game, and spoiler boxes become a moot point.  Win/win!

 

As for what you guys are saying about the gameplay, it makes me want to nab the game even more now.  I might have to get my friend to buy it, so I can borrow his 3DS...

[TheLegend_njf]

Not true, you can do levels two and three in either order as well.

That's why I said it doesn't get into motion, in other words, yes, that choice is there, but I didn't say it wasn't. But like I said, it's like having a slice of the pie when you want the whole pie, and again, it really doesn't get in motion until you reach Lorule.

Non-linearity doesn't apply to dungeons also. You can go almost about anywhere you like in the world. Hell, you can even go wild with exploring at the very start of the game.
 
Also I guess the wand was found halfway in the game because otherwise it would have been deemed useless to rent and people will complain that there's "another useless item" again. I guess the only downside is the Desert has to be tackled after beating another dungeon first.

It spark stuns enemies. Fun! They should have called it the telekinesis wand. Maybe I'm the only guy who enjoys stunning enemies with this item.

It always makes me wonder though, just what on earth was Osfala (did I get that right?) thinking anyways? I can almost imagine him using this wand on Yuga.

[The Satellite]

Osfala having the Sand Rod makes zero sense. There's no sand anywhere between the shop and the Eastern Palace. That bit of forced linearity annoyed me, but that's about it.

[TheLegend_njf]

It makes sense to me. It's called impulse buying. To make sense in it is to understand that Osfala appeared naturally overconfident, arrogant even. It kinda teaches us (the player) not to repeat his mistakes. (While also making the player feel smarter).

It's just one of those little things that make the hero feel superior. Also, you had no idea what the sand rod did either until you got it. I would like to assume.

[Moonbread]

Actually it worked pretty much how I expected it to, since it was an item in Spirit Tracks.

 

It's also just safe to assume that even without that, that the Sand Rod has something to do with...Sand.

[TheLegend_njf]

The fire rod has something to do with fire, the ice rod has something to so with ice, and the wind rod.... You get the point.

As a person who never played Spirit Tracks, my anticipation and expectation towards the sand rod was based around that frame of reference, I thought it tossed sand on its own, I didn't think it actually needed sand.

Also, lets think story wise, I doubt Osfala has ever played Spirit Tracks. But all I'm trying to say, Osfala rubs off as an impulsive person, and he felt invincible with the sand rod (clearly never bothering to test the bloody thing). So it comes to no surprise that he thought it was a good item, and ended up getting his ass kicked.

Oh, and just to add one more note. One could ask, why didn't Ravio just tell him? It goes back to Osfala's impulsive personality. I don't think Osfala would be an easy character to reason with even if Ravio is a persuasive nutjob.

Edited by NewJourneysFire, 03 December 2013 - 11:47 PM.

[The Satellite]

Not saying it doesn't make sense in story context, it's just annoying in terms of forcing us to free him before getting the sand rod. Don't see why he couldn't have dropped it when Yuga captured him or something, that would've been better, but oh well, can't change that now.

 

Anyway, Treacherous Tower actually wasn't that bad, and now my three-heart run is complete and all items obtained, except Heart Container Pieces of course. I only have one, but I was forced to pick that up when I made my way through Treacherous Tower. Not too bad. Wondering if it's worth trying this in other Zelda games now...

[Aevin]

I've always loved magical items like the rods, and it's neat that in this Link effectively has a magic rod in each of the four elements.