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[LinktheMaster]

All in all, great game, it doesn't rely as heavily on A Link to the Past nostalgia as I worried, and was well worth the day-one purchase. Any doubts you have about it should be put to rest as soon as you get lost in the experience. Job well done, Nintendo.

Honestly, I completely disagree. The fact that this is so similar to A Link to the Past just keeps being a thorn in the side to me.  There's so much in the game that's just like ALttP that it gets annoying that they're trying to label this as a new game.  I really just feel like they wanted to make a remake of ALttP, but they were worried that fans might not like them changing so much.  I mean, even the story setup is the same as ALttP, it just has some plot details swapped out.

 

It's still a fun game.  It's just most of my gripes about the game come about because it relies on ALttP.  The dungeons are short because they're the same length at ALttP dungeons.  The story isn't fantastic because it's ALttP's story.  The exploration aspect of it isn't as fun because it's ALttP's world.  I just wish they could have either flat out done an ALttP remake or made the game entirely new with the new gameplay mechanics.

 

But, oh well.  I still really enjoy the game.  The dungeons are really well designed and fun in my opinion.  This is probably going to end up being my favorite handheld Zelda game.

[Moonbread]

Hey, Ventus?  We have something on this site called a spoiler box.  Please use it when pertaining to dungeon items or any spoilers of the matter, considering that not all of us have finished the game.  For example, I hadn't done the Swamp Palace yet and I knew nothing of any of the Lorule dungeons I was headed to.  Aaaand now that's been spoiled for me.

[Ventus]

@Scootaloo; Well sorry about that, but it was just a single item hell I didn't say anything else about the dungeon. I don't know how the dungeon has been spoiled for you. 

[LinktheMaster]

@Scootaloo; Well sorry about that, but it was just a single item hell I didn't say anything else about the dungeon. I don't know how the dungeon has been spoiled for you. 

Well, you just have to think about it. The biggest element of this game is allowing people to tackle the dungeons in any order they want without knowing what to expect from them.  So when you put in stuff like that when people aren't expecting, you're sort of taking away one of the high points of the game.

[Ventus]

Whatever I apologize about it geeze... Anyways finished the

Dark Palace damn that was a long dungeon to me <.<

[Evan20000]

Spoiler

While I saw the "twist" at the end of the game coming a mile away, it was still handled quite nicely. This has been a fantastic game and is definitely one of my favorite Zeldas in the franchise. The final boss was an oddity due it getting easier as the fight goes on, but it is what it is.

[Xenix]

I would say the Swamp Palace first, there you can get the blue tunic and that'll help with some of the monsters

...

 

Right now I'm in the palace of darkness, man this place has got the name right. It is a dark mofo in that dungeon.

And also has anyone found any new shield yet other then the one you can buy in the Light world?

You know, I had no clue that they even existed. I beat the whole game with just the green tunic. :/

[HylianGlaceon]

So with side stuff to do......

 

Spoiler

The Treacherous Tower...

Spoiler

The Treacherous Tower is pretty pathetic. Just went through the Advanced with 16 hearts and Blue Tunic and didn't even use a potion nor even get to low health. Worse yet they give you hearts and even a fairy towards the later. The gauge got on my nerve in a few rooms full of Bari and Biri and I had to wait constantly to use the Hookshot to kill them. Another reason why the gauge sucks. I was waiting more than doing anything else for that room.

 

The boss of the place is well

Spoiler

A buffed Moldorm on Ice. While he sounds intimidating, well he actually is a bit, but the Nice Hammer actually stuns him, so he is still easy. Safe to say the Nice Hammer is my weapon of choice, probably the most OP item in the game too.

 

As for the prizes of the place, you get about 4000 Rupees and for the first time you get the

Spoiler

Super Lantern

and the second time you get the slight joke of a weapon the

Spoiler

Super Net, which is apparently stronger than the Tempered Sword.

 

Anyhow, I'm stuck with a full wallet and wish we had more uses for Rupees now. I bought everything ages ago and there's nothing to spend it on... I still have the Tempered Sword atm and it didn't even really feel like much of an upgrade. It does 1.5x the damage the Master Sword did. The Nice Hammer still does 3x more damage than the Master Sword, so I'm confused why it's so weak. Maybe i'm just too used to ZC with 2x, 4x and 8x damages.

 

Hope that's enough spoiler tags too.

[The Satellite]

I would say the Swamp Palace first, there you can get the blue tunic and that'll help with some of the monsters

...
 
Right now I'm in the palace of darkness, man this place has got the name right. It is a dark mofo in that dungeon.
And also has anyone found any new shield yet other then the one you can buy in the Light world?

Spoiler

It's in Turtle Rock, which is strangely where Ice Palace used to be.

 

Honestly, I completely disagree. The fact that this is so similar to A Link to the Past just keeps being a thorn in the side to me.  There's so much in the game that's just like ALttP that it gets annoying that they're trying to label this as a new game.  I really just feel like they wanted to make a remake of ALttP, but they were worried that fans might not like them changing so much.  I mean, even the story setup is the same as ALttP, it just has some plot details swapped out.
 
It's still a fun game.  It's just most of my gripes about the game come about because it relies on ALttP.  The dungeons are short because they're the same length at ALttP dungeons.  The story isn't fantastic because it's ALttP's story.  The exploration aspect of it isn't as fun because it's ALttP's world.  I just wish they could have either flat out done an ALttP remake or made the game entirely new with the new gameplay mechanics.

While I can understand how you feel, from my perspective I tended to look at it in a different way: I get to rediscover this old, beloved world, see what hasn't changed and what has, being pleasantly surprised when finding something new where something else once existed. My only complaints are about how some new areas feel too small, for example where the Zoras live (and I haven't found anything interesting in the Lorule equivalent but maybe I haven't looked hard enough). As for why they reused it, well, I saw a quote (but now can't find the source) where Aonuma said Miyamoto wanted him to remake A Link to the Past but Aonuma wanted to do something new instead, so they compromised on this. But a recent Iwata Asks that talks about the game's origins doesn't seem to make mention of this. Kind of strange. But in the end while I don't think it's too big a deal that the overworld is being reused, I do agree that I would love to see this in a whole new world, though to be fair in the past other franchises have reused game worlds and no one complained then.

 

As for the story... After thinking on it some last night there are quite a few holes in the story thinking on it...

 

Major story spoilers

If Ravio is Link's counterpart, what exactly was he the hero for? If Lorule was dying, what hope was he to be if the destruction was inevitable? I mean it seems pretty obvious that Ravio's items were obtained via questing, but if he was a coward, how'd he ever make it that far? Maybe I forgot something and will have to look at the story again, but him being the world's hero seems kinda pointless if there's nothing they could do to save it. Yes, I know Hilda hatched the plot with Yuga to steal Hyrule's Triforce, but was this before or after Ravio abandoned his duty? Or maybe they knew all along and Ravio was part of the plot, and his "cowardice" was because it wasn't in his character to steal Hyrule's Triforce? I don't know. I'm confused. If it's the latter, then I'm okay with it, if not... it doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

Nor does Yuga fusing with Ganon. Ganon was just kind of... there. I mean I guess at least this time it wasn't about him, but it's kind of unexplained. "He's here now, I'm going to fuse with him without any dialogue whatsoever and it'll work, and Ganon will just be like 'okay bro I'm cool with this.'" I gotta admit, this seemed kind of... dumb to me. Again, maybe I missed something, but just... what.

[Ventus]

Spoiler

It's in Turtle Rock, which is strangely where Ice Palace used to be.

Alright thanks and-

Yeah its pretty damn strange on why turtle rock is where is ice palace was.

[Shane]

Fun Fact About The Level 2 Shield & About Those Two Lorule Dungeons

Why is the Hylian Shield in Lorule? Damn it Nintendo for your oversights!

 

Also I think it's cool they swapped locations. I mean a lava dungeon on a lake is more unique than up on some lava mountain.

 

Responding To TS (Major Story Spoilers)

Ravio couldn't stand up to Hilda and Yuga. I'm pretty sure it's like Link uprising against Zelda, so Ravio admitted he was a coward since he fled and helped a more braver Hero to stop Hilda and Yuga.

 

Also I think Hilda and Yuga revived Ganon but without his past memories, similar that of OoX. I think Hilda would know otherwise that she wouldn't be getting the Triforce.

Edited by Shane, 24 November 2013 - 10:00 PM.

[The Satellite]

100%'d the game, found all overworld HCPs on my own apart from two; one I completely forgot about and another I felt kind of stupid for not finding on my own. The others I had to confirm were minigame ones, which honestly two of them have stupid requirements for obtaining them; I don't know how anyone could figure that out on their own, but then maybe you might actually like those minigames unlike me.

Minigame name

Rupee rush, that is. Both incarnations.

 

Responding To TS (Major Story Spoilers)

Ravio couldn't stand up to Hilda and Yuga. I'm pretty sure it's like Link uprising against Zelda, so Ravio admitted he was a coward since he fled and helped a more braver Hero to stop Hilda and Yuga.
 
Also I think Hilda and Yuga revived Ganon but without his past memories, similar that of OoX. I think Hilda would know otherwise that she wouldn't be getting the Triforce.

Major spoilers

Could be. Again, I might have just missed/forgotten some dialogue.

 

As far as Ganon, that's another thing: Was there like another game between A Link to the Past/Oracles/Link's Awakening and A Link Between Worlds explaining why the Triforce was split again and Ganon was once again intact and sealed? That just felt a little random. It also kind of ignores the whole point about the entire Triforce being in the possession of the royal family until the king hid away the Triforce of Courage. For that matter, why is it the Sages that unlock the Triforce of Courage? Did I miss something else or did they just not explain that?

 

Speaking of Sages, why isn't Zelda one? There are seven and she's not one of them. Obviously one of them must also be a descendant of Zelda, but who? I just don't understand. Though one nice theory would be that the ALttP Link married Zelda and Gulley is their descendant. Yeah, that could work. Or something. Still confusing.

 

Random note: Man I'm glad this game didn't pull a Twilight Princess/Skyward Sword and end up explaining what every item you picked up is after turning the game back on. Probably the best part of this game. :tard:

[Shane]

I should tackle the Lorule Minigames.

 

About The Seven Sages

I guess that explains the famous "Zelda is your....." line in aLttP. :tard:

Edited by Shane, 25 November 2013 - 02:42 AM.

[Haylee]

Random note: Man I'm glad this game didn't pull a Twilight Princess/Skyward Sword and end up explaining what every item you picked up is after turning the game back on. Probably the best part of this game. :tard:

Skyward Sword did that?

[Shane]

Skyward Sword did that?

For treasures in SS, yes. Rupees I'm not sure.