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[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

I just can't grasp the futility of what they're marketing....This is what it seems like to me. 

 

You own a TV.  You know you can switch between an input channel, and the channel your satellite cable box is on with the press of a button.  But apparently, that's entirely too much work.  Why should you have to do that when you can just pay money on top of the money paid for a gaming console on a timely basis to access a limited number of channels?  It's totally absurd to have cable or satellite of some sort and a gaming console at the same time, because input channels are not enough to combine the two into one being.

At this point I don't even think you're really reading our posts. Here's why you can't seem to understand the situation: The press-conference we saw on the 21st was just the intro to what we'll see when E3 comes around. It's focus is not going to surround TV only.

 

Also, you can be more or less certain that there's going to be a 'basic' version of the Xbox One that doesn't come with a subscription to TV. But you're asking what they're marketing? It's in the name: One. This is the 'one' machine to have in your living room, or so Microsoft would like to think. They don't want you to have cable or satellite, they want you to have Xbox One. Listen, cable and satellite are both going to die out eventually, and we're going to see a rise in entertainment presented through channels on the internet. Heck, it's already started a long time ago, with Netflix and other similar streaming services.

 

Some may want to get a One just to play games, and I'm sure Microsoft - a company who is managing one of the largest gaming system-brand the world has ever seen (this is not fanboy-speak, but if we're talking numbers... well, yeah...) - they know that people play games on the Xbox. That's why they made the Xbox to begin with. So yeah, you're going to get a version of the console with which you can play games, and then if you want you can probably upgrade your account to get access to the TV-related content and so on. There'll most likely be bundles where you can get everything with the console, and then pay it off via subscription, similar to how you can buy phones and pay a small price up-front, and then paying them monthly until you've covered the price.

 

So there you go. It's not really that hard to grasp, but I think a lot of people here saw the conference and just automatically assumed that what we saw was all there was to it - as if their focus on TV in this conference means that the console won't have other merits. We may not know those merits yet - and heck, maybe there won't be any - but please, can't we wait with the silly complaining until we at least actually know what's actually going to happen? You guys are just making assumptions all over the place, and I'm sad to say it, but it sounds like someone told you that there might be a fire, and then you all started running around, shouting that the world is going to end or something. It's all a bit ridiculous, really.

[Koh]

I have read the posts, I'm just thinking about this on a grander scale.  Even with games, I highly doubt it'd ever replace the TV + Satellite + Gaming Console combo, especially for those who already have it + TIVO or whatever else to record programs.  I think they're gambling for more than they can actually handle here, which is what I'm talking about.

Edited by Koh, 25 May 2013 - 10:02 PM.

[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

I have read the posts, I'm just thinking about this on a grander scale.  Even with games, I highly doubt it'd ever replace the TV + Satellite + Gaming Console combo, especially for those who already have it + TIVO or whatever else to record programs.  I think they're gambling for more than they can actually handle here, which is what I'm talking about.

Then I think you're underestimating the amount of power that a heck of a lot of money and a whole lot of good marketing teams has. You'd be surprised. I'm not saying it'll come out on top, as of this moment I have my doubts myself, but it's far too early to judge. One thing is safe to say, and that is that Microsoft is seriously pushing towards new horizons, and this is obviously to combat companies such as Apple and Google. Their gaming branch seems to be tightly enrolled into this new strategy, and that is very interesting for us gamers, and I don't think I need to explain why. In case I'm wrong, the answer is; money.

[Nicholas Steel]

I saw the ports of Xbox ONE, and I noticed a lack of AV Component cables. I have to say that MS better not have HDCP on their console with their games (though the 360 had HDCP for video applications such as Netflix). That would really suck for HD PVR and Elgato users. The PS3 had full HDCP which meant the only way to capture video from it was through AV Component cables. Imagine how Machinima would suffer from this issue should Microsoft block the recording of gameplay commentaries. 

 

And should we even call the Xbox ONE a gaming console? Like I said before, I think of it as a Roku 3 on steroids.

Give everyone participating a headset and mount  a video camera on a tripod pointing at the screen. You can even use your TV's headphone jack to record gameplay audio from. Then just put all the audio streams on a PC and synchronize them up and save it and you got your self a Let's Play for the internet.

 

It's a little bit more work per video (So it can easily add up to being too much work for various LP'ers) but those getting paid will totally do it.

[aaa2]

That will be the first console that will be hacked for used games.

[TheLegend_njf]

Since I don't know much about this system, I won't contribute much to this controversial subject, but I will say something.

It's said that the Internet already today is pushing out more data than itself can even handle, and chances are there will be concequences to this fast Internet world that we are not only unprepared for, but not even aware of it being a reality. The Internet can crash, and the Internet will crash. (Before everybody has a major break down, these crashes are said to be like power outages, not a complete Internet failure).

Now, if the Internet is eventually coming to an age where it will not be as good as it is today, could this XBox One idea be.... A bad idea?

(And I haven't read the posts here. I'm sorry, I'll read this tomorrow to be caught up to speed).

Edited by NewJourneysFire, 26 May 2013 - 10:31 PM.

[Koh]

How about that next-gen technology, folks?

 

[Tree]

[Dawnlight]

How about that next-gen technology, folks?

 

Koh, ever wonder what the bottom of an avatar's shoe looks like?

[NoeL]

Why do they call it the XBox One?

• They call it the XBox One because when you see it, you turn around one pi radians and walk away.
• They call it the XBox One because it's 1/360th as good as the 360.
• They call it the XBox One because it's the One XBox to rule them all and therefore is evil and can only be destroyed if you drop it back into the fiery pit where it was forged.
• They call it the XBox One because one play is all you need to know it's terrible.
• They call it the XBox One because only one person actually cares.

• They call it the XBox One because it takes 359 steps back.

That one was always my favourite.

Edited by NoeL, 29 May 2013 - 09:58 PM.

[Shane]

*Insert Koh making fun of Xbox One due to one feature already existing*

The graphics are at least something the Wii U can't handle. :troll:

 

Seriously, are you really expecting everything to be "next gen"? It's like not expecting to see Link in a new Zelda game; it's called borrowing old elements for new things. Your standards and exceptions are pretty high otherwise.

 

Also those who accuse me being a Xbox fanboy, I don't even own a single Xbox console. I'm just merely saying our standards are a little too high or at least overrating with the "next gen" deal. Sure, it has some sucky features, but all consoles bound to have such things. But the real question that should be asked is will those features stop the Xbox One from being a next gen console? Most likely not.

Edited by Shane, 29 May 2013 - 11:46 PM.

[Arkhanno]

Here's my thoughts on the Xbox One:

 

 

Seriously, though, the last console I seriously cared about the the Gamecube. After that games just slowly started getting worse and worse. Outside of PC games and maybe XBLA we won't see amazing gems these days. I most probably won't be getting any new consoles unless there's a multiplayer game that I really want to try out that my friends are also getting.

[Koh]

To Shane

No one said they were expecting everything to be next gen.  It's just silly of them to try to make their system sound so great by saying stupid shit like "Fish move out of the way when you get close to them."  ANY system could do that, even the Atari 2600.  All you'd have to do is do something like this.

 

Psuedo-Code

if (distance to player <= closest they can be)
     movetox+=Player.x-x;
     movetoy+=Player.y-y;

For a 2D game.  For a 3D game, append a z variable.  Now all that's left is to check for collisions.  There you go.  Anyone can do that shit, and it has well be done for a long time.

Edited by Koh, 30 May 2013 - 06:26 AM.

[Shane]

Hey, as long it is attracts the consumers, there is no harm done. It's called getting money Koh, and the way to get it is to attract the consumers into thinking everything is amazing. They aren't going to be blunt and say "we're using a very old ancient feature." that's not really advertising, now, is it?

[Moosh]

No one said they were expecting everything to be next gen.  It's just silly of them to try to make their system sound so great by saying stupid shit like "Fish move out of the way when you get close to them."  ANY system could do that, even the Atari 2600.  All you'd have to do is do something like this.

 

Psuedo-Code

if (distance to player <= closest they can be)
     movetox+=Player.x-x;
     movetoy+=Player.y-y;

For a 2D game.  For a 3D game, append a z variable.  Now all that's left is to check for collisions.  There you go.  Anyone can do that shit, and it has well be done for a long time.

I feel like you're greatly oversimplifying things. If someone were to showcase a game using such basic Kohde today, they'd become a laughing stock. Nowadays it's all about the needlessly complex AI for trivial things like fish.

 

Got that gamer a pathfinding fish. Gamers love fish.