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#46 Fabbrizio

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:01 PM

IIIIII'm 90% sure he writes his own....

also, why did you quote that first line?

QUOTE(Beefster @ Nov 5 2008, 04:01 PM) View Post

Let's just put it this way: I'll give him a week. Maybe a month. He'll "screw up" something or another, (like presidents tend to "do") and the political pendulum will swing the other way. (not to mention the high chance of assassination.)


Why doubt him? How do you know he'll screw up? I'm not saying he won't but he hasn't had a chance to do anything yet.

If I may tie this back to EPL, you can't say I'm not ready to make a programming language just because this is my first time. Good thing you don't.

Edited by Powerbracelet, 05 November 2008 - 05:07 PM.


#47 Alestance

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:10 PM

I don't think its right to hope that a president screws up in office. Why? We suffer the most. If you don't like him, you just got to hope he does the right things, rather than hope he does the wrong things.

#48 Fabbrizio

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:16 PM

QUOTE(Alestance @ Nov 5 2008, 04:10 PM) View Post
If you don't like him, you just got to hope


The message campaigned upon just as much as Change. Come Jan. 20 he's your president.

Why fight it? The race is over; Obama won. Now you've got to leave it to him.


Besides, I can tell there's a change in the wind. I can feel it. My breaths are lighter and I'm sleeping better.

#49 Lemon

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:20 PM

Very interesting article has surfaced about both campaigns.

http://www.huffingto...a_n_141358.html

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-- McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.


-- The Obama campaign was provided with reports from the Secret Service showing a sharp and very disturbing increase in threats to Obama in September and early October, at the same time that the crowds at Palin rallies became more frenzied. Michelle Obama was shaken by the vituperative crowds and the hot rhetoric from the GOP candidates. "Why would they try to make people hate us?" Michelle Obama said to a top campaign aide.

-- On the Sunday night before the last debate, McCain's core group of advisers--Steve Schmidt, Rick Davis, adman Fred Davis, strategist Greg Strimple, pollster Bill McInturff and strategy director Sarah Simmons -- met to decide whether or not to tell McCain that the race was effectively over, that he no longer had a chance to win. The consensus in the room was no, not yet, not while he still had "a pulse."

-- The Obama campaign's "New Media" experts created a computer program that would allow a "flusher"--the term for a volunteer who rounds up nonvoters on Election Day--to know exactly who had, and had not, voted in real time. They dubbed it Project Houdini, because of the way names disappear off the list instantly once people are identified as they wait in line at their local polling station.

-- Palin launched her attack on Obama's association with William Ayers, the former Weather Underground bomber, before the campaign had finalized a plan to raise the issue. McCain's advisers were working on a strategy that they hoped to unveil the following week, but McCain had not signed off on it, and top adviser Mark Salter was resisting.

-- McCain also was reluctant to use Obama's incendiary pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright as a campaign issue. He had set firm boundaries: no Jeremiah Wright; no attacking Michelle Obama; no attacking Obama for not serving in the military. McCain balked at an ad using images of children that suggested that Obama might not protect them from terrorism; Schmidt vetoed ads suggesting that Obama was soft on crime (no Willie Hortons); and before word even got to McCain, Schmidt and Salter scuttled a "celebrity" ad of Obama dancing with talk-show host Ellen DeGeneres (the sight of a black man dancing with a lesbian was deemed too provocative).

-- Obama was never inclined to choose Sen. Hillary Clinton as his running mate, not so much because she had been his sometime bitter rival on the campaign trail, but because of her husband. Still, as Hillary's name came up in veep discussions, and Obama's advisers gave all the reasons why she should be kept off the ticket, Obama would stop and ask, "Are we sure?" He needed to be convinced one more time that the Clintons would do more harm than good. McCain, on the other hand, was relieved to face Biden as the veep choice, and not Hillary Clinton, whom the McCain camp had truly feared.

-- McCain was dumbfounded when Congressman John Lewis, a civil-rights hero, issued a press release comparing McCain with former Alabama Gov. George Wallace, a segregationist infamous for stirring racial fears. McCain had devoted a chapter to Lewis in one of his books, "Why Courage Matters" and had so admired Lewis that he had once taken his children to meet him.

-- The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for the Democratic primary debates, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me ... answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."


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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE(Beefster @ Nov 5 2008, 02:01 PM) View Post

Let's just put it this way: I'll give him a week. Maybe a month.

I gave him a day. He already blew it. He said that his tax break won't come as soon as he expected it to. 1 day and he's already breaking his promises.

#51 Beefster

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:22 PM

PowerBracelet: It's not always necessarily the president's fault when screw-ups happen. In fact it's generally not. People just like to use the president as a scapegoat.

Alestance: He probably wont do the right things by my definition of what is right. So what I hope for is that he does everything wrong so he can be impeached or otherwise disposed of.

Russ: He hasn't even taken office either!!

Edited by Beefster, 05 November 2008 - 05:26 PM.


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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:28 PM

Agreed with Alestance. I hope Obama does a great job. Am I confident in it? Not particularly, but I'm not going to be a little black raincloud and get into it here. Again, enjoy your win.

EDIT: Okay, seriously Beefster, that's about the worst argument against any president I've ever heard. If Bush didn't get impeached in 8 years, I'm pretty sure Obama's gonna be fine for the next 4. Furthermore, this country survived a Civil War, I'm pretty sure it'll survive a candidacy I didn't support.

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:37 PM

I'm having trouble thinking of anything interesting and reasonably uncontroversial to say, so I'll just go with this: it's nice that he won and all, but that was the easy part. If people now become complacent thinking everything will be all right, Obama will be the next Jimmy Carter.

And I have to say that it's petty, at best, to hope that he doesn't do a good job.

#54 Fabbrizio

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:44 PM

People keep trying to say he could very well fail, and I'm not going to deny the possibility, but I'd rather be optimistic about the next four years than b*tch about it.

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:52 PM

Saffith: He's gonna be worse than Jimmy Carter. Gas prices will probably shoot up to $10 a gallon, and the economic airplane will be dive bombing to the ground.

PB: I see one bit of good coming out of it: making it illegal to smoke in public; You can go right ahead and coat your lungs with tar and other various carcinogens as long as it's only your lungs.

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:54 PM

If he is like Jimmy Carter, then we're in luck. Carter was so bad, that after four years, everybody was sick of him and elected Ronald Regan, one of our best Presidents. The same thing could happen again with Obama.

#57 Fabbrizio

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:55 PM

Or Russ could stop being such a damn pesimist. He's the second most competent of the last five presidents, so I'm not complaining.

@ beefster, don't mean to burst your only Obama bubble (you could use a lot more), but it was going to happen anyway; in Minnesota it's already been illegal to smoke in bars for two years, perhaps longer.

Edited by Powerbracelet, 05 November 2008 - 05:58 PM.


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Posted 05 November 2008 - 06:12 PM

If this discussion does not turn around, people will be warned and the topic will be moved to the debate forum- I don't want to do that, but will. Put in your 2 cents and move on.

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 07:50 PM

This is a sad day for America.

#60 Fabbrizio

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 08:01 PM

QUOTE(Ebola Zaire @ Nov 5 2008, 05:12 PM) View Post

If this discussion does not turn around, people will be warned and the topic will be moved to the debate forum- I don't want to do that, but will. Put in your 2 cents and move on.


After reading NekoArc's post, I must ask you - no, beg you - to lock this topic rather than let it continue in the debate forum.


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