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#46 Shoelace

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 04:50 PM

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Off Topic: Actually I found a bug in your game, it's just a little graphical bug it doesn't impede gameplay in any way. When you use Nyrue's love or Din's fire some of the animations of Link casting it is empty thus making him look like a black square a couple times in the process.


Actually it is a bug with the version 2.10. When you use Link Tile Mods it screws up the cast tiles. Jman fixed it in 2.11, however, I still encourage everyone not to play the game in 2.11 because it isn't made for 2.11 and it doesn't work perfectly since it is a 2.10 game. Besides that, the other 2.10 bug is the Midi bug, but that is a version bug too. Out of my hands.

Anyways, it seems that everyone here is in favor for Constructive criticism.

#47 Snarwin

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 04:52 PM

QUOTE(ShadowTiger @ Apr 28 2006, 03:53 PM)
In the style of Kurt Vonnegut, we're all mentioning each others' names, but nothing is getting accomplished, and nobody is being made happy by these name mentionings.  If you're going to say that names should be mentioned in the criticizing of quests for their betterment, then at least include some advice on bettering the quests.  It's the least you could do.  If all you're going to do is call them a hypocrite, that's not very helpful either.

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FOR THE WIN.


Seriously, why don't you try posting something helpful? You said yourself that constructive criticism is a good thing:
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Criticism IS meaningful. The meaning is in helping others by bringing to their attention something they may have missed and should care enough about to make an improvement on.
I, personally, agree with this. Problems with a quest should be brought to the author's attention; it's good for the quest, and, by extension, for the quest's author and players. Everyone wins!

The problem, then, is not in your beliefs, but in your actions. Here, I quote your "criticism":
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So far, I have downloaded and played six custom quests (each rated 3-5 stars) and have yet to find one that was worth downloading. The graphics and music were fine but the "getting stuck when going from screen to screen" problems, the "no way to get where you need to go" problems and the "not being given the items necessary to do what you need to do" problems just ruin them.
This is not constructive. You're not pointing out a specific instance of the error for correction, but merely telling us that the error does, in fact, exist. That's not going to help anyone fix it. We all know about misaligns already; if we could find them all without assistance, they wouldn't exist.

Furthermore, the "no way to get where you need to go," and "missing required item" problems are almost certainly your fault. I realize this may be hard to swallow, but the most likely explanation for this is that the lowly, half-witted quest maker has somehow managed to outwit you. Just because you can't figure out how to proceed doesn't mean that the game is impassable.

The worst part, though, is when, after giving us a few vague statements that you somehow manage to call "constructive," you somehow have the nerve to post this:
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They should be smart enough to figure out who they are and which of their quests have the types of problems I stated. Other than that, I will not openly/publicly embarrass anyone for your amusement.
That's all well and good, but it really doesn't apply to this situation.

For criticism to be constructive, it is essential that some indication is given as to what is being criticized. There are two ways to do this: you can simply state somewhere the name of the work which you are criticizing, or you can write your criticism in enough detail that the author can recognize it as a criticism of his or her work. In the above quotation, you refuse to do the former, yet you also neglect to do the latter. The result: your criticism is useless.

Thank you for wasting our time. Good day.

#48 Deathbringer

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 05:12 PM

This is getting bigger then I thought.

First off, why don't you show us the bugs, pics and the name of the quest. You bashing our work but saying the entire thing overall is getting nowhere. Gamemaker has tons of people making the system and you have to pay for the extra features thus, giving them chances to make the verison bug-free. That's not the case here. Maybe it's that you aren't a good player. Don't tell me to grow up. Look at you, you aren't doing any better other than bashing. You are not giving Constructive criticism. You are not telling us how to improve rather, you are saying, "Oh I played a bunch of random things and I can't go anywhere, stuck in a small bush, Oh and I'm an expert at Gamemaker." Also, most of the things are your fault as you want us give direct instructions on how to do everything from what your saying. Zelda games would then be extremely boring.

#49 Sacred Nym

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 05:23 PM

Just one thing to say. If you don't want to embarrass the quest authors in public we at Pure have a little system call Private Message. Using that would be just as if not more effective. icon_wink.gif

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 05:43 PM

I merely stated that of the six custom quests I originally downloaded and played, none of the six was worth it in my opinion. I also stated three of the types of problems I found with those six quests.

Then some people here took offense to that and started making a big deal out of it. Even trying to draw me into a flame fight.

I see now that it is either stick to the opinion of the group or you are a bad person, so to make you all happy I will not ever post here again because it is obvious that individual opinions are not welcome.

I also will not return to this site ever again.


Edited by Thibeinn, 28 April 2006 - 05:44 PM.


#51 Pol's Voice

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 05:51 PM

Thibeinn, you don't have to leave just because of a slight forum argument. I'm sorry, but I just get a little defensive because I like ZC so much and have mad respect for the people who put their minds, hearts, and crazy amounts of time into designing quests that so many people enjoy.

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE(Thibeinn @ Apr 28 2006, 03:43 PM)
I merely stated that of the six custom quests I originally downloaded and played, none of the six was worth it in my opinion. I also stated three of the types of problems I found with those six quests.

Then some people here took offense to that and started making a big deal out of it. Even trying to draw me into a flame fight.

I see now that it is either stick to the opinion of the group or you are a bad person, so to make you all happy I will not ever post here again because it is obvious that individual opinions are not welcome.

I also will not return to this site ever again.

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You didn't merely point out anything, you were rude in the guise of playing you were trying not to be rude, kind of like a guy that says "no offense, but go screw yourself".
Now you're trying to get sympathy.
Read your posts, I did.

These people work hard on their quests, they freely give them and their time to you, and if you point out bugs they are only too willing to fix them because every one of them takes personal pride in what they're doing.
Your critsizism wasn't construtive, it was "I tried some of your games and what I do is better"
That's why you got the reaction you did, and that's why you deserved every bit of it.

#53 LinktheMaster

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 06:20 PM

Okay... if you have these complaints... why don't you make your own quest? You can't complain until you've tried something yourself. If you're confident that you can fix all of these problems that you speak off, then do it. icon_wink.gif

Personally, quests aren't perfect right now, but these are quests made in one's own time. For some, making quests isn't really for others to play, it's just something fun to do as a hobby. icon_shrug.gif People aren't going to spend 2 hours on one simple screen, as that would take be a long and tiresome process. icon_unsettled.gif

#54 Snarwin

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 07:21 PM

QUOTE(Thibeinn @ Apr 28 2006, 06:43 PM)
I merely stated that of the six custom quests I originally downloaded and played, none of the six was worth it in my opinion. I also stated three of the types of problems I found with those six quests.

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I agree; that is exactly what you did. The point that I'm trying to make is simply that these statements do not constitute constructive criticism.

Get that?

The statements that you made do not constitute constructive criticism.



I think I'll leave it at that.



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Posted 28 April 2006 - 08:37 PM

I guess he won't be able to read what you guys said. He said he's never coming back to this site... icon_sweat.gif icon_sorry.gif icon_cry.gif

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 09:59 PM

I think you guys should just ban him and spare him the trouble! icon_shrug.gif

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 10:36 PM

I always find it funny, yet annoyingly irritating to have people email me upon finding a inherent bug of the ZC engine and suddenly claiming it to be a bug of the actual quest itself and then (this is the good part) demanding I fix it immediately and give it back to them ASAP. Wish people could tell the difference between engine bugs and quest bugs.

#58 Freedom

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 10:53 PM

or...
the ones that insist on playing quests in the wrong version and then blame you when they can't continue or finish the quest.

#59 Sacred Nym

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 11:05 PM

That is the one of the few statements you've said that I agree with. Normally I stop reading your post because your attitude is immensely rude. (hey that rhymed!)

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Posted 29 April 2006 - 02:29 AM

Close this silly topic. How can you say that custom quests are rubbish.


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