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[Nathaniel]

Google maps recently updated their maps around New Orleans for Hurricane Katrina. If you go to maps.google.com, and put New Orleans, LA in the search bar, there are now four options. They are map, satellite, hybrid, and katrina. Switching between satellite and katrina, you can see the major differences in the satellite views. It looks so depressing. An entire city is submerged. I just can't imagine how this city is ever going to recover from this. Even if things get fixed up, it will be a long time from now, and few people will come back to where they used to live.

[Jaivaz]

The following is my frank and cold opinion. You will probably be offended and call me a cruel bastard, so don't highlight. I warn you, you may cry because everyone knows that nature is pure and gentle.

In a different light this should, should but probably won't work, show people how stupid it is to build a city that is 1 to 20 feet below sea-level. What sort of logic does that have? Also there was plenty of time to escape, so those who were dumb enough to stay back get no sympathy from me.

Also, the death count is only at 1029 direct, 260 indirect. And before you start saying that this was a lot, 3000 died in the 9/11 tragedy and 174,542 during the Tsunami in the Indian Ocean. Clearly this "tragedy" is nothing. In the end it's not even a dent to the population of the world or America.

Let's face is, while Bush vacationed, nature raped New Orleans because our president was too lazy to help EVERYONE evacuate and the poor were stuck in their houses waiting for a death that was inescapable. But then again, that's how life is.

Don't waste tears on people you don't know.


My condolences to those members here who know people who died there.

Edited by Jaivaz, 05 September 2005 - 11:33 PM.

[Top Kirby]

That was kind of cold but lucky for you the people I care and know about are fine down there. >_>

But I wouldn't exactly call them idiots for living 20 feet below sea level.......just think all the other states could be too congested for those people to move to so New Orleans could have been their only resort. Remember, the north is more the industrial type citizens and the south is more the modern times kinda citizens. The southerners aren't frikkin millionaires so you can't expect them to live far enough inland.

[nicklegends]

In a different light this should, should but probably won't work, show people how stupid it is to build a city that is  1 to 20 feet below sea-level. What sort of logic does that have? Also there was plenty of time to escape, so those who were dumb enough to stay back get no sympathy from me.

Also, the death count is only at 1029 direct, 260 indirect. And before you start saying that this was a lot, 3000 died in the 9/11 tragedy and 174,542  during the Tsunami in the  Indian Ocean. Clearly this "tragedy" is nothing. In the end it's not even a dent to the population of the world or America. 

Let's face is, while Bush vacationed, nature raped New Orleans because our president was too lazy to help EVERYONE evacuate and the poor were stuck in their houses waiting for a death that was inescapable. But then again, that's how life is.

Don't waste tears on people you don't know.

When it was built, it was actually slightly above sea level, and the city is actually pretty old. As more people settled, they used the resources beneath them (water) and so the whole city slowly sunk below it's original level. Also, the ocean is rising. How were the first settlers supposed to know all that?

And also, are you saying that all tragedies are related just to the total death count? This will have a major impact in our future, just as the tsunami and 9/11 will have.

You know, I feel like ranting about the last paragraphs you made, but I know you already warned me, so I'll lay off.

[Nathaniel]

Jaivaz,

As smart as you are, and as much as I agree with you on many things, I don't think you completely know what you are talking about on this issue. Nicklegends cleared up some points, so I won't discuss them in particular.

Some people couldn't escape because they were too poor to find a means to escape. It is very easy to say get up and leave when you have your own vehicle or can afford to take a bus out of there, of which the bus rides were probably booked like you can imagine. It is easy to criticize people when you are many miles away from the situation.

And just because 9/11 caused more deaths supposedly, this does not mean that Hurricane Katrina was "nothing." You probably meant nothing in comparison to 9/11 rather than nothing in general, but I can see how someone could easily take that the wrong way. Sure much worse things go on around the world all the time, but by no means does that make the people in the hurricane lucky or fortunate.

But yes, Bush and Co. were too slow in their efforts, and his sympathy, speeches, and assistance are too little too late. His photo ops don't befriend me either.

[Jaivaz]

I already knew of that, nicklegends, but at the same time, they had to have expected this to happen. If you're going to live near water and in a city below the water-level, you have to expect and be prepared for this sort of thing. "Tragedies" are categorized by deaths and cost of damage. This did indeed cause costly damage and yeah it did kill a few* people.

Want to rant about that? Feel free to via PM, I couldn't care less either way.

*Few by comparison to the rest of America.
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You are correct, I didn't know much of this situation before and while typing up my earlier post.. But I have done a bit more research and still have pretty much the same conclusion.

As for the poorer peoples' problem I already addressed it. They are the misfortunate people without money and ways of transportation, but now there are less people like that and those who truly deserve to survive found ways to survive. Don't like it? That's the way life is.

[venom343]

The following is my frank and cold opinion. You will probably be offended and call me a cruel bastard, so don't highlight. I warn you, you may cry because everyone knows that nature is pure and gentle.

In a different light this should, should but probably won't work, show people how stupid it is to build a city that is  1 to 20 feet below sea-level. What sort of logic does that have? Also there was plenty of time to escape, so those who were dumb enough to stay back get no sympathy from me.

Also, the death count is only at 1029 direct, 260 indirect. And before you start saying that this was a lot, 3000 died in the 9/11 tragedy and 174,542  during the Tsunami in the  Indian Ocean. Clearly this "tragedy" is nothing. In the end it's not even a dent to the population of the world or America. 

Let's face is, while Bush vacationed, nature raped New Orleans because our president was too lazy to help EVERYONE evacuate and the poor were stuck in their houses waiting for a death that was inescapable. But then again, that's how life is.

Don't waste tears on people you don't know.


My condolences to those members here who know people who died there.

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Most of your posts dont bother me as much as they did when I first join these boards but man you were out of line there, like NateA80 said there are a lot of homeless people there that couldnt evacuate the town and sure there are some that stayed out of stupidity but it doesnt matter. And I shed a tear for every life lost in the tragety.....Im going to stop there because I know im gonna start flaming and and dont need another pm in my inbox from a moderater so...have a nice day i guess.

[Aaron]

Most of your posts dont bother me as much as they did when I first join these boards but man you were out of line there.

Yeah... >_>

If it's out of line to post your opinions... then I guess we're not in America anymore .

Really, he doesn't feel much pain for their lost.. because he's just not a very simpathetic person if something doesn't directly affect him :/. I might remind you...

My condolences to those members here who know people who died there.

Sorry for going off topic, but I just had to stick up for Jaivaz =|.

[nicklegends]

I already knew of that, nicklegends, but at the same time, they had to have expected this to happen. If you're going to live near water and in a city below the water-level, you have to expect and be prepared for this sort of thing. "Tragedies" are categorized by deaths and cost of damage. This did indeed cause costly damage and yeah it did kill a few* people.

Want to rant about that? Feel free to via PM, I couldn't care less either way.

*Few by comparison to the rest of America.
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You are correct, I didn't know much of this situation before and while typing up my earlier post.. But I have done a bit more research and still have pretty much the same conclusion.

As for the poorer peoples' problem I already addressed it. They are the misfortunate people without money and ways of transportation, but now there are less people like that and those who truly deserve to survive found ways to survive. Don't like it? That's the way life is.

May I just ask you then: am I an idiot too, like the helpless victims in New Orleans, for living in the Bay Area right next to the San Andreas Fault where there could someday be a catastrophic earthquake? Should I just leave now so I never have to encounter one? I expect a major earthquake to happen in my lifetime.

And also, you admitted that tragedies are also categorized by the cost of damage, not just the deaths. How much financial damage did losing the World Trade Towers cause? I won't lie about the figure because I don't know it, but I guarantee it is microscopic compared to the damage in erasing a major city from the map. Two buildings are gone, versus an entire city.

And to be tortured to death from starvation just because Bush was too slow to react... At least the victims in 9/11 died quickly.

[Hero_of_Hyrule]

Clearly this "tragedy" is nothing. In the end it's not even a dent to the population of the world or America.

If you had to actually live through it yourself...you wouldn't be calling it "nothing".

The death toll of Katrina may not be nearly as much as the Tsunami, or even the World Trade Center attacks...but it is rising everyday as people die of starvation, disease, etc. As for the damage...well, nicklegends already pointed out that the damage caused on 9/11 was micorscopic compared to what Katrina did...which wiped out a major U.S city.

[Jaivaz]

nicklegends, if you must discuss this with me do it via PM or e-mail. I'd rather not have this topic derail all the way to a complete lock and/or delete. I'm sorry for not allowing you to polish your cute little good-guy-badge in public. So very sorry.

And Hero_of_Hyrule.. of course I would think different about it, that's only common sense. One who is raised to believe that fire is painless and holy and is then burned at the age of 15 will quickly change his mind because he HAS EXPERIENCED more and has MORE KNOWLEDGE.

[Daniel]

I don't know what Jaivas is saying wrong I agree with him except I don't think it is Bush's problem.

And for the refugees complaining they have to eat sandwitches and sleep in a Army cot..... .....What do they expect Steak and a king size bed? That pissed me off when it showed a bunch of idiots "I'm sick of eating sandwitches, I had them the last three days" they should be thankful they are alive although they were warned days ahead of time and even the homeless had plenty of time to walk out of town after all it is better than staying a dying.

But remember this, NEVER trust aluminum and concrete leevers to hold a lake out of a town.

I do think it sucks for people who didn't get there license's, birth certificates, and other forms of identification because they can't even prover who there are so they can't get a job.

[venom343]

Really, he doesn't feel much pain for their lost.. because he's just not a very simpathetic person if something doesn't directly affect him :/.

thats just stupid...its his country, americans dieing and and he has no simpathy, well I guess its his "oppinion" so I cant do anything but b**ch about it so I wont.

[ShadowTiger]

Well, words shared on an internet message board can only really allow others to share your feelings about them, so I'll keep mine inside, thanks. I don't care to have my feelings critiqued by others. I'll just be donating to the cause, thank you.


I do, however, find it ironic that (In a reference to Jaivaz's bit about Bush vacationing.) ... (And I hate to get into politics, but ... ) that Bush had wanted the Israelis to abandon a corner of Israel, demolish the buildings there, make the Israelis leave that bit of Israel, ... all so he could gather more oil from the Arabs there. Then look what happens. Katrina comes along, makes a corner of America uninhabitable, destorys their buildings, and makes their oil derricks all unmannable. Isn't the irony just horrible?

Kinda makes you rethink certain religious choices, eh?

[Aaron]

Kinda makes you rethink certain religious choices, eh?

No.

What's this about about people being warned? I didn't hear about someone warning people o_O.