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[Mowzr]

God, I'm sorry too aaron. I've had a hard day. I'm really sorry. I just get so defensive about these things that it bothers me.

[Daniel]

I'd give anything to kill one of the dumbass bastards who stand in the street with signs protesting against gay rights.

Yes I hate protestors, who cares what they protest about if I was old and knew I would die soon I would kill, and kill, and kill all those idiots who slow down traffic. But I'm straight, I don't care if people are gay or not it ain't a big deal. I wouldn't take it easy on a straight or gay person I would treat them equal if a straight cussed me off in public I would shoot them just as quick as anyone else. It makes me just as mad if someone is saying, "Ban gay marriges they are bad" or "we have our rights" I say if they are blocking the road we shouldn't have to wait just keep on driving. That is the same for teen sex, when you can get someone pregnant your mature if you doi get them pregnant its your fault.

Woman should decide if there babies get taken away who are us males to say what a woman does with herself. That is like a woman saying, "men should cut there cuts off so we don't get pregnant". Women and men are equally guilty if they get pregnant because it was voluntary.

[Aaron]

God, I'm sorry too aaron. I've had a hard day. I'm really sorry. I just get so defensive about these things that it bothers me.

Bleh, it's cool, dude .

[Jaivaz]

Who can control us and who can tell us not to be gay or do what we want to ourselves?... The media. The Government. The public. In a world where you can't even type something someone else doesn't like without fearing 'legal' issues, how can you expect them to 'let' you be different. Gasp, their lord forbid that you worship a different invisible man!

Nobody,these days, is a "true christian". If we did have anybody like that we could all say goodbye to all the rights women have, all the rights for people who aren't white, and all the rights for kids. Sacrificing your children and beating your wife would be legal.

Anybody familiar with Zach? One day, he decided to tell his mother and father that he was homosexual, sort of getting out of that closet.. Their reaction? Screaming, crying, and threats to send him to "Love in Action". After reading the rules for this sick place.. this was the first thing, out of all the things I have seen over the Internet (And I've gone through rotten.com, all of it)... this made me sick to my stomach. There have even been suicides because people who leave their find themselves thinking they're "normal", when they're still homosexuals. Soon enough the little phase of "normality" phases out and they fall into a deep depression leading to suicide.

Also, teens can marry. There are some circumstances when a teenager can marry another teenager. Usually all it takes is the parent's permission.

America is run by hypocrites and it is occupied with mostly hypocritical sheep. Just look at the drug movement, and then at beer. "...Ohh, but it's ok to drink your drugs. We're talking about those other drugs.. those untaxed drugs. Those are the bad ones!"~Bill Hicks (I pity you if you can't see the sarcasm in his statement.)

Being animals, we all judge, we all hate, we all love (some less than others), and some of us still have some sick blind-faith in humanity. Me? Well, when you live long enough and try to actually read and learn... the faith and hope tend to be ripped right out of you.

"Knowledge is a double-edged sword. To cut you must be willing to be cut."

Oh and your lords forbid that we have protesters! People who care?! GASP! They'll ruin our economy! Noo! Hurry, run them over! We can't have someone pull out our poster-boy for stupidity out of his presidential chair!


"Freedom for all of you.. except those guys."

Edited by Jaivaz, 25 June 2005 - 11:50 PM.

[Mowzr]

Jaivaz.. I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm sorta firmiliar with the Zach scandal. It's total bull****, I hate the world.

[Aaron]

I think we all should say something about Teen Sex... you know, to stay on topic .

None of my friends have had intercourse I'm sure, but I bet at least one or two of them have participated in oral sex or the masturbation of another person . It's sad. Peer pressure is terrible nowadays, and now girls are pressuring guys into it, though it use to mostly be about guys pressuring girls.

Sex was made for 2 key purposes: Having children, and helping to make a bond between you and your partner. Though, if you have multiple partners, this bond is less strong as you have sex with different people. That is a really good reason to not have sex. Let's say a guy sleeps with a girl. They have sex. He gets very attached to thsi girl, but they break up. Wasn't a strong relationship, he shouldn't have slept with her. He then sleeps with another girl... he feels a bond for her, but it's not nearly as special because he has had this bond before, and it's not as strong. That's why you're not supposed to have multiple partners. Also, there is the risk of HTDs... and pregnancy... but I don't feel like getting into that .

Also, about marriage; It is technically a bond between two people who love eachother so much... that they want to spend the rest of their lives with eachother . It's one of the most beautiful things in the world. And, many of you are correct when you say that it is not defined by a slip of paper: This is true. Though, you might as well because you get tax benefits and guranteed other rights. And, yes, I realize that homosexuals can not be married in front of the United States Government and/or the Church in many states, and I am sorry for this . But, all I can say is if you love eachother more than anything else, please spend the rest of your lives together. That is what marriage is... why can't people realize that . I can tell my argument is starting to be baised, I apologize. Please, however, consider what I have said .

I am a pretty good debater, eh ?

[Daniel]

Hey if you don't marry that is more SS money and if you are on disability you can get your money for it .

All teens masturbate or have at least thought about banging someone except for me because I am perfect . I think anyone who has a good job (construction, welding, mining, etc...) should be able to get married. I don't think you should get married if your under 10 though there is nothing wrong with it but it would be just plain strange.

[octorok]

Why Should I Save Sex For Marriage?

When God creates something, He creates it with purpose and design. The Genesis account of creation makes it clear that God's creation is "good" (Genesis 1:31). But mankind has a history of distorting what God has made, whether out of ignorance or just plain stubbornness. The golden calf of the Israelites, for example. Gold is beautiful to look at, but God clearly did not want His people worshipping it.
Sex (and yes, sex was God's idea) is no different. God created it, and therefore it is reasonable to expect that it is good. But when man distorts it by ignoring God's specific standards, it becomes harmful and destructive. So the question we've asked 'why save sex for marriage' is really a question of understanding God's purpose and design for sex. We can choose to do things God's way, and experience the beauty of His plan, or we can choose to do things our way, and experience harm and destruction (Proverbs 16:25).

So, let's talk first about why God created sex. One reason is obvious: procreation. When God told Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28), they probably figured out that He wanted them to have sex. But God also wanted them to develop intimacy with one another, and He knew that sex would help them do that, in a way that nothing else could.

God also knew that because sex is so powerful in creating intimacy that there must be some constraints on how it was to be used, so He specifically relegated sex to the arena of marriage. The kind of intimacy that God desires between a married couple cannot occur between one person and several others; it can only be experienced between one man and one woman. Hence God has specifically said, "Do not commit adultery" (Exodus 20:14), and "Flee sexual immorality" (1 Corinthians 6:18). That is, do not have sex with someone who is not your spouse. Obedience requires that sex be reserved for one's spouse.

So far we have two basic reasons to save sex for marriage: (1) God tells us to, and (2) God's purpose and design for sex cannot be fully achieved any other way. Many, though, have argued that non-marriage sex is not all that harmful. Let's look carefully at the potential consequences for this particular area of disobedience.

Sex outside of marriage causes damage in at least two areas: (1) physical consequences, and (2) relational consequences.

The physical consequences are becoming increasingly obvious and increasingly dangerous in today's society. AIDS and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases are frightening realities. "Safe sex" is more accurately described as "reduced risk sex." The only truly safe sex is abstinence. There is also a very real risk that children could be born -- and possibly grow up without two parents. Your actions affect your life, your partner's life, and the lives of your family. They can result in handicapping an innocent baby's life as well. Worst of all the willfull destruction of human life often results from pre-marital sex.)

The relational consequences are just as real, though they may be more difficult to grasp. First, sin always damages a person's relationship with his God. Psalm 66:18 says, "If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened." Intentional disobedience of God's command to not commit adultery dishonors and displeases God. Conversely, God is pleased when His children choose obedience and self-control instead of the immediacy of pleasure.

Second, relational damage happens between a Christian and those who are watching his life. The sin of adultery (i.e., televangelist scandals) causes a person's friends and even "outsiders" to view the adulterer as less committed to obedience, and more prone to hypocrisy. But a Christian who saves himself or herself in obedience to God wins the respect of those who see his or her life.

Sex outside of marriage also damages the relationship between the persons involved. Trust is the main issue here. If two people do not cherish sex enough to wait for a marriage commitment, how can they trust one another for fidelity? Conversely, a man and woman build trust and respect for one another when they both survive the struggles of self-control - each will have the confidence that the other respects them, and cherishes their intimacy.

Similarly, if a person has not carried sexual purity into marriage, his or her marriage relationship is affected by the past. If a man or woman has previously had sex with someone else, their marital intimacy has already been affected. One or both spouses will have to deal with real or perceived comparisons with "former lovers" and feeling that intimacy was not important enough for the other person to wait for it. But if both have waited for their wedding night, the intimacy has already begun with a solid foundation.

Why save sex for marriage? We've discussed several reasons: (1) God commands us to, (2) God's purpose and design for sex can only be achieved within marriage, and (3) the physical and relational consequences of sex outside of marriage are painfully real.

"But we're in love!" some might say. Maybe so, but if one believes in God's definition of love, he must realize that love is patient and kind; it does not seek to please itself, nor does it delight in evil, but is always hopeful (1 Corinthians 13). True love would be patient in waiting for the proper time for sex.

It would be kind to future spouses by not pre-harming marital intimacy. True love would be unselfish in placing God's desires and the needs of others above itself. It would not delight in the evil of disobedience, nor would it force another to disobey God. Love could never be a reason for premarital sex; rather, it should be one of the greatest reasons to avoid premarital sex.

"But we're going to be married anyway" is another common excuse. Along with being presumptuous, this stance will almost certainly leave one question unanswered: If one gives in to moral temptation before marriage, what's to stop him or her from giving in to moral temptation once married?

"What if it's too late? What if I've already forfeited my sexual purity?"

Good question! Certainly a person cannot reverse the past, but there are a number of steps one should take to keep from further damaging his or her intimacy with God and others.

First, acknowledge your actions as sin. For those who have accepted Christ's payment of the penalty for their sins, He asks only that they confess - agree with God that they are sinful.

Second, maintain purity from this moment forward. Jesus told the woman caught in sexual sin to "go and sin no more" (John 8:11). You cannot change what's been done, but you can keep yourself and others from any further damage by avoiding situations which might cause you to compromise your commitment to sexual purity. Paul advised Timothy to run away from temptation (2 Timothy 2:22), and Joseph is famous for running from moral danger (Genesis 39:7-12).

Third, be honest with anyone who is a "potential spouse" - don't wait till your wedding night to discuss your sexual past. Some intimacy problems may be averted if you address them early on.

Sex is a good thing. It must be, if God created it! The only way to keep it a "good thing" is to follow God's guidelines. God will reward you if you choose to honor Him, and save sex for its proper time and place - your marriage.

[Anthus]

But... who gets to decide who gets to get married, and at what age... Everybody is a hypocrit, even me... I have once said I accept everybody, but yet I flamed a certain group of people...

I'm not gooing to lie, I am your poster boy hypocrit...

Anyway, If you think you love somebody enough, you should get to decide how serious your love is, and whether or not you want to take it up to the next level... Not some stupid book, or the government, and a piece of paper... Its human nature! You can never totaly drown out our natrual instincts...

So far we have two basic reasons to save sex for marriage: (1) God tells us to, and (2) God's purpose and design for sex cannot be fully achieved any other way. Many, though, have argued that non-marriage sex is not all that harmful. Let's look carefully at the potential consequences for this particular area of disobedience.

So?! That doesn't mean we have to listen... I have chosen to not believe in nothing...

Sex outside of marriage causes damage in at least two areas: (1) physical consequences, and (2) relational consequences.

Yeah, this is true, but it is there choice... Hopefully they are mature enough to handle, and aknowlage this... If not, they deserve whatever happens to them... if they die, its thinning the gene pool...

The physical consequences are becoming increasingly obvious and increasingly dangerous in today's society. AIDS and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases are frightening realities. "Safe sex" is more accurately described as "reduced risk sex." The only truly safe sex is abstinence. There is also a very real risk that children could be born -- and possibly grow up without two parents. Your actions affect your life, your partner's life, and the lives of your family. They can result in handicapping an innocent baby's life as well. Worst of all the willfull destruction of human life often results from pre-marital sex.)

... I have to admit... This is mostly true, but again, it is there choice, nobody else should get to decide for people... Let them do what they want...

The relational consequences are just as real, though they may be more difficult to grasp. First, sin always damages a person's relationship with his God. Psalm 66:18 says, "If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened." Intentional disobedience of God's command to not commit adultery dishonors and displeases God. Conversely, God is pleased when His children choose obedience and self-control instead of the immediacy of pleasure.

Let me think about this... Again, I choose not to care... Also, this is only if you (strognly) belive in god... What about me, and the poeple that don't? This doesn't appy to them... God seems to be selfish... only making crap-ass rules for his followers... What about "us damned ones"?(sarcasm)

Second, relational damage happens between a Christian and those who are watching his life. The sin of adultery (i.e., televangelist scandals) causes a person's friends and even "outsiders" to view the adulterer as less committed to obedience, and more prone to hypocrisy. But a Christian who saves himself or herself in obedience to God wins the respect of those who see his or her life.

*laughs... histarically* That couldn't be a bigger pile of **** if it tried... Yeah, I'm a disobedient whatever... I'm a hypocrit, but you know what? Its my choice! Just like my Athieism, taste of music, like for video games, you name it, its my choice, just like having sex. Not some magical gods!

Sex is a good thing. It must be, if God created it! The only way to keep it a "good thing" is to follow God's guidelines. God will reward you if you choose to honor Him, and save sex for its proper time and place - your marriage.

No... just... no... First of all, sex was not created, it was developed... Anyway, the right time for me, is whenever I feel like it! Whenever I find the right person! I don't need some stupid piece of paper to tell me that I'm ready!

I'm done, I win...

Edited by Tobias Daboi, 26 June 2005 - 12:12 PM.

[Jaivaz]

That's real nice and all.. We all need a little morning chuckle once in a while. Your invisible man sounds so demanding, I could have sworn America was a place of freedom. Oh wait, that's sinful thinking right there!

There have been many people who tried that whole abstinence crap.. Didn't really work out that well. You can see that in their actions. Ever hear of those "catholic priests". I believe this is known all throughout so there's no need to explain their.. deeds in the asses of little choir boys... But this is an obvious example of what total abstinence can cause. Emotional build up.. and a giant release leading to compulsion. I've lived a life of indulgence, always have, I do what I please so long as it hurts none, and I think what I please even if it hurts others because it is my own mind. And I'm not going to lie to you, in my little mind I think thoughts of hate, rape, murder, suicide, genocide, patricide, fratricide, and many acts that you may call.. immoral. Along with those are thoughts of love, consensual sex, living a full life, world peace, a caring family, and some things that you may call moral. But have I committed each one of these acts? No.. Well, not all of them. I haven't killed my brother and father yet. I haven't killed our 'president', and I failed the rapper genocide (Those kitties betrayed me! Who could have known that P'Diddy can lactate?! Who?!) and I've yet to rape an innocent person. But I've got plenty of hate, want some?

The meaning of the rambling above? Abstinence leads to compulsion. Of course, it doesn't always do so. Just as indulgence mostly doesn't lead to compulsion. But there are ALWAYS those who abuse what's good.

Anybody who thinks sex is beautiful should read some of the work of Marquis de Sade. I'm sure many of you wouldn't call his sexual preferences 'beautiful', but they were his sexual fantasies and preferences. Who's to judge your fellow man? In the real world, sex is nothing unless you can get a little bucky-bucky for it. (PS, blow jobs from me in the lobby! $6 each!) Sure it's nice to 'strengthen' your 'relationships'.. And sure it's nice to breed and let your stupidity reign.. But what of those who marry but don't have sex to have children? (GASP! I know, that is so weird and different! Your lords forbid that someone would actually marry but not have kids! That's horrible!) What of those who have sex for fun? I know I'll be one of those.

As for the hypocritical stances, everyone is a walking poster-boy for hypocrisy. Especially Liberals, Conservatives, Christians, and Me. That piece of paper always protects our rights to say such things, and that flag also did so. But, in the ultimate of ironies, the piece of paper also let's us destroy such paper and cloths. Not to mention that we can think whatever we want without having the thought-police get us. (*Knock Knock��* Oooooh ****, I was wrong.)

Now, back to those damned horny teens.. I say.. Castrate the teenage-fathers and abort the babies of the teenage-mothers. I don't want another trucker coming up to me and saying "Boy, I dun' like waht yah sayin' an' you'ahh goin' to die an' rot en hell wit' awh yah gahy frenz." (That whole English-raping 'sentence' took me five minutes to type!)

[Anthus]

The meaning of the rambling above? Abstinence leads to compulsion. Of course, it doesn't always do so. Just as indulgence mostly doesn't lead to compulsion. But there are ALWAYS those who abuse what's good.

Those priest were just about as hypocritical as you can get... They preech that gay is oooo wrong, and you will go to hell for it. They also don't believe in sex for pleaser... Then they rape those kids...

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I still say it is your choice... If you get away with it, woo-hoo, your so proud, you got some pussy... If she gets pregnant, seeya later... That is an example of somebodies choice... That may not be the best choice, but hey, it was their choice, and something bad happened, so they get what they deserve...

I can't stand that whole "no sex for pleasure" thing that is like saying "no eating because you're hungry." People will always have a tumble in the hay for pleasure, even if at the same time they are trying to concieve... This proves how hypocritical they can be. You must feel plesasure to get closer blah blah blah, but its wrong to be close to whom you love, but yet it is required?!

... ...

There are no words, or emoticons to descride how incredibly assinine that is...

[Mowzr]

That's really nice of you, Octorok. Thanks for filling my brain with crap I've heard before.

I'll be plainly honest with you, it does make me mad. I'm so sick of the preachings of god. I don't care what he made things for. People are going to do whatever the hell they want to with it either way.

I'll also jump on the wagon about not being able to REPRODUCE. Why the HELL should I want to bring a child into this horrible world ANYWAY?! Unless it's a straight white dumbass it's going to get nothing but torture it's whole life. I'm not going to do a child that way, they'd rather just not be born. Hell, I'd rather have not been born most of the time.

This whole, gays being a sin in god's eyes thing is a load of bull****. I don't care if I'm a sin in god's eyes either way, everyone is. So what if we can't reproduce? Married couples don't always have babies, so they're just as bad as some asshole could consider a homosexual to be! OH NO! A straight couple being as bad as a gay couple?! How can that be?!:\

[Comix]

Otorock - You basicly said what I said a couple of posts back, only super complicated version, and lots of Bible scriptures.




Mowzr - I disagree with your post. Just a question for you, to make you think about something (and I want to see your reaction )

Have you ever seen a homosexual dog, or a homosexual Chipmunk? If you compared any animal to human, Homosexual is not normal, nor natural.

(I am not against homosexual people, but their lifestyle. I don't want you to think I go around hating Homosexual people, because I don't, I just don't like the life.

Comix

[Mowzr]

Comix- no, I have never seen a truly homosexual dog or chipmunk, because animals do not have as many complicated emotions as humans do. I've seen a male dog hump another dog, and female dogs hump other female dogs.

Comix, do you really think I chose to be gay? That I wasn't born this way? Why would I chose to be something everyone hates. I refuse to act like I'm not gay, the only thing that keeps me from being happy about it is society. And it's not going to change. I've learned that. I'm completely fine and happy with it until society and asshole-ish people get involved.

It didn't make me think, it just made me wonder why you thought it would make me think. The answer is laid right out on the floor, animals aren't as complicated as humans. Not saying they don't deserve the same treatment. And besides, we don't go through periods of "breeding time" like animals do, woman have their ovulation cycles and what-not, but it's not the same.

Edited by Mowzr, 26 June 2005 - 06:14 PM.

[Aaron]

Comix- no, I have never seen a truly homosexual dog or chipmunk, because animals do not have as many complicated emotions as humans do. I've seen a male dog hump another dog, and female dogs hump other female dogs.

Comix, do you really think I chose to be gay? That I wasn't born this way? Why would I chose to be something everyone hates. I refuse to act like I'm not gay, the only thing that keeps me from being happy about it is society. And it's not going to change. I've learned that. I'm completely fine and happy with it until society and asshole-ish people get involved. 

It didn't make me think, it just made me wonder why you thought it would make me think. The answer is laid right out on the floor, animals aren't as complicated as humans. Not saying they don't deserve the same treatment. And besides, we don't go through periods of "breeding time" like animals do, woman have their ovulation cycles and what-not, but it's not the same.

I got to say, I'm proud of you do . You put that in a way that most people should understand. Nice .

Also, Comix, it's good you don't dislike homosexuals, but what is it you don't like about their lifestyle ? Also, animals don't even know that they will die. Animals also don't believe in a god .

EDIT: I also wanted to point out that most homosexuals were born with a part of their brain differently, thus they were supposed to be homosexual. If God loves them and accepts their lifestyle, maybe you should too, Comix . I didn't point that God comment to anyone besides him and other people who believe in God, just so people know .

Edited by blaster_master, 26 June 2005 - 06:25 PM.