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[Zenith]

I'm surprised you didn't use Golbat...

To be honest, I like a lot of the released 'mons. There are a couple that aren't the best looking, but none are at that "oh god kill it" level like the Bidoof line and Lickilicky.

Edited by Zenith, 27 August 2010 - 07:32 PM.

[Maaka]

I'm surprised you didn't use Golbat...

To be honest, I like a lot of the released 'mons. There are a couple that aren't the best looking, but none are at that "oh god kill it" level like the Bidoof line and Lickilicky.

Ohai

When you think hard about a lot of the Generation I pokemon, they're really bad. People seriously need to calm down about Gen V being horrible.

[Lemon]

No. Absolutely not.

The sprites were pretty silly, but the Pokemon themselves were designed fine. They were more realistic, more animal like, and in many ways cooler than many of the ones created Ruby/Sapphire onwards. Different designers, different tastes sure, but the original were still the best.

[Maaka]

realistic

Opinion. How is a ghost with Billy Idol's hair realistic? How is a turtle with two canons coming out of its shell realistic?

Sure Gen 1 had some good pokemon, but it also had some terrible designs. Look at Jynx and Mr. Mime. What are they suppose to be? A drag queen and a Mime..? Those aren't animals. For the record Mr. Mime's original name was Barrierd. I don't know who came up with Mr. Mime, the anime was released in the US before the games were. So I figured it was 4Kids being reatrded.

Edited by Maaka, 27 August 2010 - 08:21 PM.

[Christian]

Opinion. How is a ghost with Billy Idol's hair realistic? How is a turtle with two canons coming out of its shell realistic?

Sure Gen 1 had some good pokemon, but it also had some terrible designs. Look at Jynx and Mr. Mime. What are they suppose to be? A drag queen and a Mime..? Those aren't animals. For the record Mr. Mime's original name was Barrierd. I don't know who came up with Mr. Mime, the anime was released in the US before the games were. So I figured it was 4Kids being reatrded.

It's all about nostalgia. I grew up on the red/blue generation and i don't complain about the new Pokemon at all. If Isshu started first and Kanto was the 5th gen people would be complaining on how Blastoise looks like a messed up turtle or how magnemite is just a magnet with eyes or how voltorb is just a pokeball with eyes and how electrode is just an oversized pokeball. .

A lot of Gen 1 and Gen 2 Pokemon look just plain retarded. The Developers haven't changed since red/blue. People just grew up. 70% stayed faithful to Pokemon while the other 30% left. But the 30% don't really matter since Pokemon gets a new fanbase every second to make up for the loss

[Koh]

I'm totally not blinded by nostalgia when I complain about some of the new Pokémon. More specifically, Mijumaru pisses me off. It's like they ran out of ideas for a water starter, so they mixed an existing one (Piplup) with some random Pokémon (Bidoof), chose which animal to base it off of (Otter), and slapped on some cheap design (Shell). Seriously, I could've planned better than that!

They should've gone with what seems to be their natural instinct, and made a Water-Type monkey as a starter.

[Lemon]

Opinion. How is a ghost with Billy Idol's hair realistic? How is a turtle with two canons coming out of its shell realistic?

Gengar is fine. He's a devilsh ghost/gas/spirit thing, and you get that by looking at him.

Like the fire on ponyta's tail, the cannons are just what makes it cool/different from the natural animal. Otherwise it's a pretty straightforward creature. Ken Sugimori's artwork is just perfect to me, it's not nostalgia. It clicks wonderfully and I can actually imagine seeing these kind of animals inhabiting the world. Diamond and Pearl were alright, but Ruby and Sapphire were just awful. Terrible plot aside, I remember after getting the sixth badge just not caring in any way about any of the new Pokemon on my team.

They have weird circles and random squares on their bodies, for no apparent reason beyond aesthetics. Manetric or whatever it's called is just ugly, that fighting/psychic thing you run into all over the place looks ugly, All of the starters start out fine, but quickly decedent into unintersting to downright bad evolutions. Torchic is probably one of my favorite starter designs. That's one that I really like, and fits in with my opinion of the original 250. Then he turns into a monstrosity that looks more like a digimon wearing bell bottom pants. Castform has balls. The dragon thing just looks weird (curves! need more curves!)

Diamond and Pearl has come back and given a lot better designs (starters are all good execpt for Empoleon which again, is over desgined with pointless doodads). Overall, there is doodads with a purpose, (bannanas on Tropius's neck, cannon on Blastoise back) and pointless ones, (CIRCLES AND SQUARES).

They had different designers for every game after Gold/Silver, and the thing is no longer managed by Sugimori. It's very noticeable :/. It's not nostalgia, it's preference of design.

I'm totally not blinded by nostalgia when I complain about some of the new Pokémon. More specifically, Mijumaru pisses me off. It's like they ran out of ideas for a water starter, so they mixed an existing one (Piplup) with some random Pokémon (Bidoof), chose which animal to base it off of (Otter), and slapped on some cheap design (Shell). Seriously, I could've planned better than that!

They should've gone with what seems to be their natural instinct, and made a Water-Type monkey as a starter.

I think he looks cute, but again, over designed.

I know somewhere I saw a picture of him where someone took off the seashell, and it actually helps out a lot.

Edited by Lemon, 28 August 2010 - 10:54 AM.

[Zenith]

Arguably. I think that the designs were overly simplistic in 1st Gen, and still relatively simplistic in 2nd Gen. They were decent, but not very many were amazing. During 3rd & 4th Gen they went for more complex designs, and the results ended up being more hit & miss. They seem to have found more of a balance with this gen, and so far it's looking pretty good.

I'm totally not blinded by nostalgia when I complain about some of the new Pokémon. More specifically, Mijumaru pisses me off. It's like they ran out of ideas for a water starter, so they mixed an existing one (Piplup) with some random Pokémon (Bidoof), chose which animal to base it off of (Otter), and slapped on some cheap design (Shell). Seriously, I could've planned better than that!

They should've gone with what seems to be their natural instinct, and made a Water-Type monkey as a starter.

I gotta admit, he doesn't look the best, but the 2nd form looks better, and if it's really Water/Fighting like its design seems to indicate, that's another plus.

...Monkey? Where did you get that?

[Adem]

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it, really. As Lemon stated, the 1st and 2nd gens were simply much better in design. The more recent generations try too hard to make the Pokemon differ from actual creatures by adding obscure patterns and random geometric shapes on their bodies, which is then proceeded by a eye-watering color scheme.

On a totally unrelated note, I don't appreciate the casual toss around of the word "retarded." I'm not sure if saying so is considered rent-a-modding, but I honestly don't care. It's disrespectful.

Edited by Rem, 28 August 2010 - 07:37 PM.

[Koh]

@Zenith: Well, every generation, excluding the first, has had one or more Monkey-type Pokémon. We know what GF's favorite species is .

[Maaka]

@Zenith: Well, every generation, excluding the first, has had one or more Monkey-type Pokémon. We know what GF's favorite species is .

Gen I had Mankey and Primape.

Speaking of monkey pokemon, Infernape is an amazing attacker. Excelling in both SpA and Atk, he also has a great movepool.

[Christian]

@Zenith: Well, every generation, excluding the first, has had one or more Monkey-type Pokémon. We know what GF's favorite species is .

You're so right i was forgetting about that one haha which then evolves into an ape with boxing gloves? lol

Also for the people that said "nostalgia has nothing to do it with it" are just plain lying. Like i said if Isshu started first and Kanto was the 5th gen, people would complain about Kanto's Pokemon.

Also, I'd like to point out that Ken Sugimori is the same Pokemon Designer for Every Pokemon released to date.

Edited by Christian, 28 August 2010 - 10:34 PM.

[Adem]

Also for the people that said "nostalgia has nothing to do it with it" are just plain lying.

It's not a lie, it's an opinion. Maybe you like the 1st gen better due to the nostalgia factor, but that doesn't mean everybody feels that way. Honestly, this generation is the only generation that has more Pokemon I dislike than like. I don't hate Hoenn or Sinnoh, I just prefer Kanto and Johto because the designs are more simplistic and appealing to the eye. Release a game with a set similar to those and I'll buy that game in a heartbeat.

[Lemon]

Also, I'd like to point out that Ken Sugimori is the same Pokemon Designer for Every Pokemon released to date.

Noooo he's not. It's a title thing only.

I think he does drawings of all of them, but the actual design has been led by a different group of people every game after G/S. They specifically hire a different crew. Sugimori's job is mostly in title, as is the guy who created it in the first place. There was an article about this I read somewhere (Serebii, Pokebeach, somewhere) that went into this in great detail to explain WHY the designs have changed some much over the years.

Simplistic is better, you can throw cheese on something, but there has to be a reason and restraint.

[Zenith]

That doesn't mean that everything is better without cheese...

More info from Serebii, this time on what looks like a version of dual techs.