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#496 Bayta

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:50 PM

I'll just say this right now. Slapping a pair of tits on something, no matter how large, doesn't automatically make it look hot. If the rest of it is incredibly ugly, it's still incredibly ugly. :/ (This is in reference to Keiichi thinking Twinrova is hot because she has breasts. New page, had to explain it.)


ANYWAY. I would imagine that the 3DS version will use the new Fire Temple theme, new Gerudo symbol, and Ganondorf's green blood. Like TS said, the changes were in all the newer versions of OoT, including the Gamecube release (I would imagine they're on the VC release too). I see no reason they'd switch it back now.

One thing I do really want to know is, will that Arwing Easter Egg still be included? Surely, this is the most important question that has been asked thus far in this thread. :V

Edited by Beta Link, 14 March 2011 - 05:56 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:08 PM

I refuse to buy this game if they leave the Arwing out. ):<

But seriously, it'd be really neat if they somehow slipped it into the game somewhere. I doubt it, but it'd still be funny and neat. icon_razz.gif New item: Smart Bomb! Use them wisely.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 07:39 PM

QUOTE(The Satellite @ Mar 14 2011, 06:31 PM) View Post

Also makes me wonder which version of the Fire Temple they're using. And if they're using the new Gerudo symbol instead of the crescent moon and star. If they're using the new theme and symbol, it's almost a guarantee they'll make the blood green. Sad, I know, but eh.


I thought you meant the Fire Temple music at first.... I never really thought about what you said until now, I grew up on crescent moon, green blood, and new theme. I'd be okay with green blood, I like the old theme, and I like the crescent moon to return.

QUOTE(SpacemanDan @ Mar 14 2011, 07:08 PM) View Post

I refuse to buy this game if they leave the Arwing out. ):<


Lol'd.

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But seriously, it'd be really neat if they somehow slipped it into the game somewhere. I doubt it, but it'd still be funny and neat. icon_razz.gif New item: Smart Bomb! Use them wisely.


I thought you were serious at first.


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Posted 14 March 2011 - 07:59 PM

The Fire Temple chanting will almost definitely not return; I don't see Nintendo intentionally causing controversy by putting a Muslim chant in a dungeon where folks are sacrificed to a goat-horned fire-breathing dragon. icon_razz.gif For those of you not aware, the original version of OoT (v1.0) shipped with this theme for the Fire Temple:
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
While v1.2 shipped with this theme:
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
In the first theme, the chanting is in Arabic and things such as "I bear witness that there is no god but Allah." can be heard; in the second, it's replaced by a chorus synthesizer. I have no problem with the synthesized version but they should definitely improve/remix it.

The crescent moon on the Mirror Shield probably won't return either, but I think that of the two relgion-related changes, it's definitely more likely to be rescinded in OoT 3D.

I'd honestly be surprised if they didn't change the blood back to red. Video game statndards have changed quite a bit between then and now.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 08:13 PM

QUOTE(Ebola Zaire @ Mar 14 2011, 06:59 PM) View Post

I'd honestly be surprised if they didn't change the blood back to red. Video game statndards have changed quite a bit between then and now.

Well, remember now. Zelda is technically made for the younger audiences, and Nintendo probably wants to maintain an "E" rating.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 08:23 PM

QUOTE(ZebraStallion @ Mar 14 2011, 08:13 PM) View Post
Well, remember now. Zelda is technically made for the younger audiences, and Nintendo probably wants to maintain an "E" rating.

The original OoT cartridge made an E rating, even with the red blood.

On the graphics, my main grudge against them is that they look just a little too cartoony. What I liked about OoT's original graphics was that they were just slightly on the realistic side of the realistic/cartoon barrier, but not by too much.

I could understand why they wouldn't want to have the original Fire Temple music, but I hope that they don't change the symbol. It was practically everywhere in the game (Mirror Shield, Push Blocks, etc.) and I've grown somewhat attached to it.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE(Ebola Zaire @ Mar 14 2011, 06:59 PM) View Post

The Fire Temple chanting will almost definitely not return; I don't see Nintendo intentionally causing controversy by putting a Muslim chant in a dungeon where folks are sacrificed to a goat-horned fire-breathing dragon. icon_razz.gif For those of you not aware, the original version of OoT (v1.0) shipped with this theme for the Fire Temple:
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
While v1.2 shipped with this theme:
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
In the first theme, the chanting is in Arabic and things such as "I bear witness that there is no god but Allah." can be heard; in the second, it's replaced by a chorus synthesizer. I have no problem with the synthesized version but they should definitely improve/remix it.

The crescent moon on the Mirror Shield probably won't return either, but I think that of the two relgion-related changes, it's definitely more likely to be rescinded in OoT 3D.

I'd honestly be surprised if they didn't change the blood back to red. Video game statndards have changed quite a bit between then and now.

It's certain that the old chant isn't returning, but I honestly think the mirror shield will probably stay the same.

The blood on the other hand...I don't think that'll be returning in any way shape or form. If you've noticed their model design style so far has been closer to cellda than TP style graphics. I think that they're trying to remove as much dark stuff from the game as possible to increase sales without pissing off the fans.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE(Pokemonmaster64 @ Mar 14 2011, 08:27 PM) View Post
It's certain that the old chant isn't returning, but I honestly think the mirror shield will probably stay the same.

The blood on the other hand...I don't think that'll be returning in any way shape or form. If you've noticed their model design style so far has been closer to cellda than TP style graphics. I think that they're trying to remove as much dark stuff from the game as possible to increase sales without pissing off the fans.
Wasn't it in Celda where Ganondorf was impaled in the head with the Master Sword? icon_razz.gif Just because the art style is cartoony doesn't mean it's any less dark.

Remember that OoT is the game where we had both Bottom of the Well and the Shadow Temple, both of which had some pretty dark environments/monsters. I don't expect OoT 3D to pull its punches in those areas. Why would it?


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Posted 14 March 2011 - 08:51 PM

Yeah, why would they bring that back, when it got so much complaints from the Muslims? And the new Gerudo symbol is much better then the moon and the star anyway.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 07:51 AM

QUOTE(Ebola Zaire @ Mar 15 2011, 01:59 AM) View Post
The Fire Temple chanting will almost definitely not return; I don't see Nintendo intentionally causing controversy by putting a Muslim chant in a dungeon where folks are sacrificed to a goat-horned fire-breathing dragon. icon_razz.gif For those of you not aware, the original version of OoT (v1.0) shipped with this theme for the Fire Temple:
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
While v1.2 shipped with this theme:
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
In the first theme, the chanting is in Arabic and things such as "I bear witness that there is no god but Allah." can be heard; in the second, it's replaced by a chorus synthesizer. I have no problem with the synthesized version but they should definitely improve/remix it.

The crescent moon on the Mirror Shield probably won't return either, but I think that of the two relgion-related changes, it's definitely more likely to be rescinded in OoT 3D.

I'd honestly be surprised if they didn't change the blood back to red. Video game statndards have changed quite a bit between then and now.

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Yeah, why would they bring that back, when it got so much complaints from the Muslims? And the new Gerudo symbol is much better then the moon and the star anyway.


Actually guys, that's not why it was removed. That's a rumor:
http://www.gametrail...-fiction/710815

It explains why, so... yeah icon_smile.gif


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Posted 15 March 2011 - 08:21 AM

Ahh, Pop Fiction. It's quite an interesting series for stuff like that. :3

That video was very interesting and also quite puzzling. Though they don't say why they removed it (unless I missed something. O_o) it's still interesting. Last I recall, they only speculated on possibilities. Though I do think it's safe to assume that neither will be making a return. icon_razz.gif Ah well. Another mystery for the video game world.

QUOTE(FefeRawft @ Mar 14 2011, 08:39 PM) View Post

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But seriously, it'd be really neat if they somehow slipped it into the game somewhere. I doubt it, but it'd still be funny and neat. icon_razz.gif New item: Smart Bomb! Use them wisely.


I thought you were serious at first.


icon_xd.gif I see why you may have thought that, especially since I put it on the same line that as 'But seriously'. icon_deformed.gif

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 09:55 AM

Actually, something occurred to me that has yet to be mentioned: this is a totally new version of the game, remade from the ground up. Why is this important? Because any localization that was originally used will have to be REimplemented if they want it to remain the same as it was originally. Using the old localization will not save as much time as it did for the NA release of Master Quest on the Gamecube. And if they have to do a lot of that work over again, they MAY want to make it worthwhile by making a few improvements.

The most likely result: the translation will be improved. I don't necessarily mean they'll redo it from scratch (which would be nice), but they'll have a chance to change any glaring errors or awkward moments that came with the original translation.

As for the changes we've been talking about, they could include them again, but they would have to reimplement them. So the question is: why? Will there be a payoff for their extra work? Extra time means extra money spent, after all.

In the case of the blood, I don't see there being any payoff. Nintendo already tested the waters the first time, and I don't think there was much of a public outcry.

As for the crescent moon and star emblems, I'm not sure. But I really hope they leave them in, because I never saw it as a religious symbol anyway. And sheesh, people need to stop being so sensitive. Remember how the original Zelda's shields all sported a cross? We know this was made in Japan and they didn't mean anything by it. icon_razz.gif

Lastly, the chanting: not sure. In my opinion, if it really IS a Muslim chant, then it should be out. If it wasn't intended as one, then people are just jumping at shadows and should cool down a bit. But it would be nice if the Nintendo localization team would go to the trouble of actually ASKING their parent company what the original intent was. I think that's the main reason for the uncertainty: communication between NoA and NoJ.

Personally, I think the most likely reason that they pulled the original chanting was because of anticipated complaints. It's weird that they thought to remove it after the first version went to print, but localization teams have done weirder things.

Personally, whenever I hear about the chanting version of the OoT Fire Temple, I can't help but think of this track from Alundra on the PSX. Pretty similar, no? I'm not sure which game came out first in Japan: Alundra or OoT. So perhaps one of the two imitated the other...or it might just be a funny coincidence. Either is possible. I like Alundra's fire dungeon music a little better, but only because I thought OoT overdid the "ambience" in its dungeon tracks.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 12:03 PM

QUOTE(Robin @ Mar 15 2011, 07:51 AM) View Post

QUOTE(Ebola Zaire @ Mar 15 2011, 01:59 AM) View Post
The Fire Temple chanting will almost definitely not return; I don't see Nintendo intentionally causing controversy by putting a Muslim chant in a dungeon where folks are sacrificed to a goat-horned fire-breathing dragon. icon_razz.gif For those of you not aware, the original version of OoT (v1.0) shipped with this theme for the Fire Temple:
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
While v1.2 shipped with this theme:
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
In the first theme, the chanting is in Arabic and things such as "I bear witness that there is no god but Allah." can be heard; in the second, it's replaced by a chorus synthesizer. I have no problem with the synthesized version but they should definitely improve/remix it.

The crescent moon on the Mirror Shield probably won't return either, but I think that of the two relgion-related changes, it's definitely more likely to be rescinded in OoT 3D.

I'd honestly be surprised if they didn't change the blood back to red. Video game statndards have changed quite a bit between then and now.

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Yeah, why would they bring that back, when it got so much complaints from the Muslims? And the new Gerudo symbol is much better then the moon and the star anyway.


Actually guys, that's not why it was removed. That's a rumor:
http://www.gametrail...-fiction/710815

It explains why, so... yeah icon_smile.gif


That was actually pretty interesting. :O

I never really cared about the music change, and to be honest, never even noticed the blood thing. A bit strange, as I tend to notice obscure things like that, but I don't really see the need to debate what was better. I'm just thrilled about the game, in general.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE(Robin @ Mar 15 2011, 07:51 AM) View Post
Actually guys, that's not why it was removed. That's a rumor:
http://www.gametrail...-fiction/710815

It explains why, so... yeah icon_smile.gif
Hey, I never said why it was changed, just that it was changed in between 1.0 and 1.2. I'm aware that both themes can be found on any cartridge, but the fact remains that on versions 1.0 and 1.1, the Fire Temple theme is chanting, and on 1.2 it's a synthesized chorus. The video doesn't explain why it was changed.


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Posted 15 March 2011 - 07:10 PM

I still believe it says, "Allahu Akbar". It sounds exactly like it. Although, that is kinda convincing. Also, if it's not because the Islamic community responded to the music, then why the hell did they get rid of the freakin track?

Edited by Keiichi123, 15 March 2011 - 07:14 PM.



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