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[Peteo]

Thibeinn

Seems to me you want your bread buttered on both sides.
You say on one hand you spoke up to help these quest makers do better on their quest, but on the other hand you don't want to mention specific quests or builders by name.

GET OFF THE FENCE, you're helping nobody setting up on your high horse speaking down to everyone, if you have specifics, be a man and lay them out, otherwise STFU

Wow. Well said. Either Thibeinn can reveal the names of the quests that he thinks suck (not forgetting to tell reasons WHy they suck), or he can just STFU and get lost from PZC. You're not helping anyone by saying "Qustom Quests are not good".

It's true that some quest authors get upset if someone openly dislikes their quest, but so what? If they can't take negative and constructive criticism then they're "in the wrong business".

[Thibeinn]

Thibeinn

Seems to me you want your bread buttered on both sides.
You say on one hand you spoke up to help these quest makers do better on their quest, but on the other hand you don't want to mention specific quests or builders by name.

GET OFF THE FENCE, you're helping nobody setting up on your high horse speaking down to everyone, if you have specifics, be a man and lay them out, otherwise STFU

That exactly why I removed all of my quests from here, because people wanted to set back and be little assholes and sling rude statements, in most cases they couldn't even answer questions about the quests because they didn't even bother to play them.

They should be smart enough to figure out who they are and which of their quests have the types of problems I stated. Other than that, I will not openly/publicly embarrass anyone for your amusement.

Embarrassing people openly/publicly does not make one a man.

I am truly sorry some people slung rude statements at you. You do not, however, have to make me the scapegoat for all of that.

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It is obvious that there are a few people here who have the purpose of attempting to draw me, and probably others from time to time, into a no-holds-barred flaming fight. I will not involve myself in flaming fights.

Edited by Thibeinn, 28 April 2006 - 10:49 AM.

[Pol's Voice]

They should be smart enough to figure out who they are and which of their quests have the types of problems I stated. Other than that, I will not openly/publicly embarrass anyone for your amusement.

Embarrassing people openly/publicly does not make one a man.

I am truly sorry some people slung rude statements at you. You do not, however, have to make me the scapegoat for all of that.

Dude, a lot of these designers don't have your prestigious background in computer programming. What's so awful about saying, "Designer X....I noticed a problem with Quest X...what's going on there?" I'd hardly call that public embarassment. You may be helping someone out. It's certainly a better strategy than broadly accusing all the custom quests of being inferior to your standards.edit: especially since you've been here less than 2 weeks!?!

Edited by Pol's Voice, 28 April 2006 - 10:50 AM.

[Thibeinn]

Dude, a lot of these designers don't have your prestigious background in computer programming.  What's so awful about saying, "Designer X....I noticed a problem with Quest X...what's going on there?"  I'd hardly call that public embarassment.  You may be helping someone out.  It's certainly a better strategy than broadly accusing all the custom quests of being inferior to your standards.edit: especially since you've been here less than 2 weeks!?!

They do not need such a "prestigious background in computer programming" to make sure their quests work properly and are completable before they release them to the public.

If someone pointed out a problem with a quest of mine without revealing my name or the title of that quest, I would easily realize the person was speaking of me and a particular quest of mine because I would have played it and would know the problem exist. Tho, for that matter, I would not have released it in the first place if there was anything wrong with it that could have been fixed by me beforehand.

I merely meant that the six custom quests I first downloaded and played were no good, not all of them. I accidently placed a period at the end of "Custom Quest No Good" instead of a question mark. I am not perfect and, to stop some of you before you get the chance to try turning that around on me, I do not expect anyone else to be perfect.

[Pol's Voice]

If someone pointed out a problem with a quest of mine without revealing my name or the title of that quest, I would easily realize the person was speaking of me and a particular quest of mine because I would have played it and would know the problem exist.

Well, hopefully, one day we can all be lucky enough to be blessed with your keen sense of perception.

[Freedom]

They should be smart enough to figure out who they are and which of their quests have the types of problems I stated. Other than that, I will not openly/publicly embarrass anyone for your amusement.

Embarrassing people openly/publicly does not make one a man.

Neither does setting on a fence critisizing EVERYONE HERE in such a general fashion as you have chosen to do while telling us all how great you are make one a man.

I SAY AGAIN, if you have specific problems with specific quests, then point them out, otherwise quit wasting everyones time.

Edited by Freedom, 28 April 2006 - 11:31 AM.

[Thibeinn]

Pol's Voice and Freedom, how about the two of you stop trying to get trouble started with me and start trying to do something constructive?

Edited by Thibeinn, 28 April 2006 - 12:25 PM.

[Freedom]

I was thinking the exact same thing about you.
You come in here telling us how bad we are and how great you are, and then don't even offer one example of how we can bring ourselves up to your grand level.

I say it again, if you can't show specific problems to specific quests, then you aren't helping anyone and you need to quit wasting our time.

[Thibeinn]

I was thinking the exact same thing about you.
You come in here telling us how bad we are and how great you are, and then don't even offer one example of how we can bring ourselves up to your grand� level.

I say it again, if you can't show specific problems to specific quests, then you aren't helping anyone and you need to quit wasting our time.

I did not say nor imply that all of you were bad. I did not say or imply that any of you were bad. Get your facts straight, Freedom, and stop trying to cause problems.

I will not reply to anymore posts from people who are obviously doing nothing but trying to make trouble. I posted here wondering if all the custom quest were messed up. They are not. I have found a few which work just fine.

I thank those of you whose intentions were good.

And no, Freedom and Pol's Voice, I will not name each and every one of the people here who actually had good intentions. They know who they are.

Edited by Thibeinn, 28 April 2006 - 01:17 PM.

[ShadowTiger]

I have a lot to say, but no way to say it. I'll "finish" by stating this:

Earlier, Thibe, you'd mentioned that numerous quests had bugs in them. This is their attempt at producing an entry-level quest which will get their name out there. They've submitted it without checking it over, so any negative comments they hear will teach them "the hard way" that they need to be more careful when building quests.

Of course, doing a VERY half-arsed job is considerably different than putting in your best, but not having your creative juices (Or the time necessary.) flowing where you need them most. In the latter, at least you know they tried. (I find it hard to believe that you "tried" when you didn't even beta test your own quest.)



In the style of Kurt Vonnegut, we're all mentioning each others' names, but nothing is getting accomplished, and nobody is being made happy by these name mentionings. If you're going to say that names should be mentioned in the criticizing of quests for their betterment, then at least include some advice on bettering the quests. It's the least you could do. If all you're going to do is call them a hypocrit, that's not very helpful either.



The world may not be all lovey-dovey like many would hope it to be, but we can at least try to keep each other happy so they'll make the same effort. It's stupid to do otherwise. I just can't see a reason for wanting to keep someone hostile toward you.

[Shoelace]

Well just so you know, if you found bugs in my game, or had any trouble with my game, I would like you to post it. The thing is, I am not even sure if my quest was the one you played. So since you didn't mention the quests by name, I am taking mine isn't one of them and how am I going to fix it if you didn't mention mine. I think the same will go to the others as there are 150 quests in the database and 500+ quests total. Just my opinion. So if you have a problem with my quest, please post it (I give you permission).

[Freedom]

He just started this thread to stand on his soap box.
He tells me to get my facts straight but my facts came from his own posts, he painted himself in a corner he doesn't know how to get out of and just isn't man enough to do the right thing and apologize for being a jerk.

There isn't one bug free quest out there, because there isn't a bug free engine out there, and if he's concerned about bugs he needs to take two steps, first he needs to be specific and tell the quest maker of the bug so they can fix it, and secondly he needs to write a new engine that is completely bug free.
I suspect the first he is unwilling to do, and the second he is unable to do.

Don't like Zelda Classic?
Then move on, your attitude won't be missed a bit.

[Espilan]

I say it again, if you can't show specific problems to specific quests, then you aren't helping anyone and you need to quit wasting our time.

Basically, you can't expect everything in PureZC's databases to be absolutely perfect. Quests, tiles, music, anything.
Also, instead of complaining about what you think is a piss-poor job, tell people what's wrong, maybe even suggest ways of fixing it.
How else would you expect things to get any better?!

There isn't one bug free quest out there, because there isn't a bug free engine out there,

Quoted for truth.

first he needs to be specific and tell the quest maker of the bug so they can fix it, and secondly he needs to write a new engine that is completely bug free.
I suspect the first he is unwilling to do, and the second he is unable to do.

Quoted for agreement.

[CastChaos]

I agree with: Anderson, Pol's voice, Kingboo, Espilan and Freedom.

I add that: if somebody don't like the high rated quests, go try the low-rated ones. I once found one that got few hearts (AGN database) but was still fine, like a 4 hearth/star quest. So some are underrated (definitaly not speaking about mine). And yes, there are quests, that got higher rating that it would earn. Rating made by simple humans, not by professional rating court.

Edited by CastChaos, 28 April 2006 - 04:10 PM.

[cousinoer5]

Well just so you know, if you found bugs in my game, or had any trouble with my game, I would like you to post it.  The thing is, I am not even sure if my quest was the one you played.  So since you didn't mention the quests by name, I am taking mine isn't one of them and how am I going to fix it if you didn't mention mine.  I think the same will go to the others as there are 150 quests in the database and 500+ quests total.  Just my opinion.  So if you have a problem with my quest, please post it (I give you permission).

Off Topic: Actually I found a bug in your game, it's just a little graphical bug it doesn't impede gameplay in any way. When you use Nyrue's love or Din's fire some of the animations of Link casting it is empty thus making him look like a black square a couple times in the process.

On Topic: Constructive criticism is the first step to improvement on anything in life, the second is listening to it and responding to it the next time you do it. That's pretty much what the comments section is for in the QDB, so we can get feedback on our quests and improve so that one day we might make a quest that puts us in the league of awesome quest designers.