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[strike]

They're going to flip the NX version upside down since the majority of people... don't know how to complete that joke : p

-Strike

Edited by strike, 27 April 2016 - 05:36 AM.

[Tree]

Well, at least we know we're getting tons of information at e3 this Summer.

[Matthew]

I'm genuinely concerned that this game is going to be stuck in an endless cycle of development hell

[Tree]

Real talk tho: Come ON, Nintendo. At least release the Wii U version by the end of this year. Throw us loyal Wii U fans a bone! I'm sure you could make it work. I wouldn't mind some content being unfinished and removed, but added later next year as free DLC. Give Wii U owners a reason to hold onto their Wii U!!

[Shane]

I think Zelda U on the NX will be for its own good and the NX's as well. Just look at how well Twilight Princess sold. I just wish Nintendo never teased us with that 2016 release year. Not even half a year before they change their minds.

 

Hopefully the trailer at this E3 isn't a short vague clip again. I think a proper trailer is due. Show us some dungeons, some music, some story -- some actual stuff. At least it's coming March next year(?) and not late next year.

[Cukeman]

I know we all super-hype about Zelda, but to be fair, we should judge a game system for it's entire library, not just for how much or how little Zelda it has. Zelda's just one game, and if it's great does it really matter what system it comes out on? Yeah delays are unfortunate, so are rushed products. Maybe it's bad company decisions and planning, or maybe some higher up wants to announce "perfect gigantic new Zelda in 3 months" to the world and the development has to tell him "for real bro? give us a realistic deadline". I don't know if it's one or the other, but it's really hard to judge without knowing the inner workings of the company- the inside story. For me, I can't be bothered to worry either way because I have my hands full just trying to get all my homework done each semester. I lose track of weeks and months, and the movies everyone seems to wait so long for seem to hit me like a constant unexpected steam of "wait- that's already out?" Personally speaking, the next Zelda game will be here before I know it, and if I can afford it and get to play it, and it's awesome, then it's all good to me.

[Nicholas Steel]

As it stands, I'm seriously regretting ever buying a Wii U. This drought of games is ridiculous and their seemingly intentionally holding back a lot of games in order to release them on the upcoming console... effectively meaning they no longer give a damn about the Wii U (Which explains the huge drought of GOOD games from Nintendo). Next time Nintendo releases a console? I'm gonna get a PS4 or PS4.5 or whatever Sony release. For a while now Sony has been releasing games that pique my interest more than Nintendo has been.

Edited by Nicholas Steel, 27 April 2016 - 08:20 AM.

[Cukeman]

The worst thing would be if the NX isn't a new system, but a new way to interface with the WiiU

[Koh]

No doubt the NX version would be the definitive version, since it'd have more horse power and resources available to use.  Which means, better graphics, less potential for lag and such.  

 

So we have to wait another year.  Big deal.  Better to wait and have a polished game, rather than having it released anyways as a buggy piece of shit.  Nothing to do but deal with it.

 

The real rage should be directed at games that aren't ever released here, even though there is a market for them.

Edited by Koh, 27 April 2016 - 08:48 AM.

[Shane]

Yeah no. I don't think a 2016 release would result in it being a buggy piece of shit since it's assumed they're going for a March 2017 release date (they confirmed the NX will be out March 2017). That's just three months after 2016 (and four months after November which can be assumed to have been the original deadline) and you think this would avoid it being a buggy piece of shit? I don't buy that reasoning. Nintendo would never have went with a 2015 or 2016 release date if they were sure it was going to be full of bugs and an overall mess. Nintendo delayed the game originally due to new ideas and now, they're doing it for the sake of porting it to the NX and launching both versions of Zelda U together. Sure, this means some more time for polish, but I doubt this game was going to be a buggy piece of shit without the delay.

 

Also regarding Zelda U on Wii U vs. Zelda U on NX, my money is on Wii U being a better version. Just look at Twilight Princess, it barely tapped the Wii's potential while it took full advantage of the Gamecube. Skyward Sword was the definitive Zelda title of the Wii. And I doubt Zelda U will be the definitive Zelda on NX. Hopefully Zelda U takes full advantage of the NX and not make it look like a cheap port.

[Cukeman]

No doubt the NX version would be the definitive version, since it'd have more horse power and resources available to use.  Which means, better graphics, less potential for lag and such.  

 

 

Well if Zelda U was designed to make extensive use of the wii u gamepad, then the nx version could potentially lose a lot, for instance.

 

 

 

Also regarding Zelda U on Wii U vs. Zelda U on NX, my money is on Wii U being a better version. Just look at Twilight Princess, it barely tapped the Wii's potential while it took full advantage of the Gamecube. 

 

 

What made the Wii version inferior wasn't that it didn't use all the Wii's potential- how could any launch title do that? The problem was the flopped overworld, and the last-minute addition of motion controls that weren't built into the original design to begin with, and also came out before the motion plus.

[Koh]

 

Yeah no. I don't think a 2016 release would result in it being a buggy piece of shit since it's assumed they're going for a March 2017 release date (they confirmed the NX will be out March 2017). That's just three months after 2016 (and four months after November which can be assumed to have been the original deadline) and you think this would avoid it being a buggy piece of shit? I don't buy that reasoning. Nintendo would never have went with a 2015 or 2016 release date if they were sure it was going to be full of bugs and an overall mess. Nintendo delayed the game originally due to new ideas and now, they're doing it for the sake of porting it to the NX and launching both versions of Zelda U together. Sure, this means some more time for polish, but I doubt this game was going to be a buggy piece of shit without the delay.

 

They didn't say when in 2017; assuming it'd be near the NX is just speculation.

 

Even if it were, to play devil's advocate, that's still three/four whole months of extra time.  Enough time to do some thorough bug testing, black box and white box testing, and ensuring there's nothing that'd require a day 1 patch to fix.  As well as time to make sure everything is properly balanced, and all mechanics are optimized as much as possible to minimize or neutralize any potential lag.

 

More time is a GOOD thing, never a bad thing.  The impatient will just have to deal with it.

[Mani Kanina]

They didn't say when in 2017; assuming it'd be near the NX is just speculation.
 
Even if it were, to play devil's advocate, that's still three/four whole months of extra time.  Enough time to do some thorough bug testing, black box and white box testing, and ensuring there's nothing that'd require a day 1 patch to fix.  As well as time to make sure everything is properly balanced, and all mechanics are optimized as much as possible to minimize or neutralize any potential lag.
 
More time is a GOOD thing, never a bad thing.  The impatient will just have to deal with it.

You're not being the devil's advocate, you're making an argumentation without actually considering all the points. The whole reason for the delay was to make a port to the NX, making a bloody port takes a lot of time.

[Avaro]

The NX definetly has to be the best thing you could ever imagine to justify these bad news. I'm looking forward to E3 anyway.

[Koh]

making a bloody port takes a lot of time.

Not really, no.  Depends on the hardware and interface, and approach taken.  If the hardware is properly optimized and easy to port TO, like from PC to PS4 or XBox One (or vice versa), porting the code (which is done by some supported standard, like C# or C++, or even Java) is almost as simple as copy and paste, with some minor adjustments, which would take a month to two months tops to sort out and retest.  There's also concurrent development approach, where the different versions are being worked on simultaneously, and therefore the same logic and algorithms are put in place, but optimized for different hardware.  As long as there's enough communication between the teams on the different versions, this also wouldn't take much time.

 

The NX isn't actually out yet, so that's what the larger delay for a multiplatform release comes from.  Not the act of porting.  But the fact that the hardware they want to port to doesn't exist yet.  But, you also can't assume they're trying to release it alongside the NX.  For all we know, the game could only be halfway done by the time the NX actually releases, which is why they didn't say such a thing.

 

There is no way to predict when this sort of stuff will be ready.  All they can say is "We intend to put it on both systems." and leave it at that.  And all we can do, is accept it and move on.  Whining about delays won't change the fact that there will be delays.

Edited by Koh, 27 April 2016 - 11:05 AM.