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[Tree]

Well, I'm getting the 3Ds and OoT no matter what you guys say because I'm staying loyal to Nintendo no matter what goes down. I've been playing Nintendo games since I was 3 years old and I'm still playing them today. I'll by it because it brings back memories of my childhood. Yes, so far all we know is that the graphics are better. But, that doesn't mean anything. It's a remastered version of the old classic. What are you guys expecting? Them changing the whole thing so it's no that same game that we love? Sure, I'd love to see more side quest and I would love it if there was an extra dungeon, (Probably won't be) but the game its self is enough for me. And the best part, you can play it anywhere. Not just at the computer or on the gamecube. You don't have to wait till you get home to play it. You can play it when ever. I don't have much more to say about this, except that I will be getting it no matter how much you guys troll on it. That would be all.

[William]

I don't have much more to say about this, except that I will be getting it no matter how much you guys troll on it. That would be all.

Excuse me? Trolling, are you kidding? Obviously you didn't read our posts all the way through, or you wouldn't have stated your opinion as such. I really like OoT, and I still do. However, the game doesn't seem to have enough benefits to warrant a buy, especially when it costs so much money. Why would I spend money on a game I already own, if there are no benefits to owning both? Yes, you are right. It is portable, but that doesn't mean it's worth the 30-40$ I'd have to spend to get it. Especially when the system itself that it's coming out for is going to cost hundreds of dollars. That's money that I worked very hard for, and won't waste on something that I already basically have.

But seriously, Cremeens? You don't have to get so defensive over something as silly as video games. I wasn't trying to offend you, or anyone, but just simply expressing my views on the subject.

[Marco]

Well, I'm getting the 3Ds and OoT no matter what you guys say because I'm staying loyal to Nintendo no matter what goes down

I didn't say don't buy it. By all means it looks a little fun. I stated that, there isn't much going on here other than a 1998 game being remade into a 2007 capacity game. Its 2011. By no means should Nintendo keep half work the project.

[Tree]

I don't have much more to say about this, except that I will be getting it no matter how much you guys troll on it. That would be all.

Excuse me? Trolling, are you kidding? Obviously you didn't read our posts all the way through, or you wouldn't have stated your opinion as such. I really like OoT, and I still do. However, the game doesn't seem to have enough benefits to warrant a buy, especially when it costs so much money. Why would I spend money on a game I already own, if there are no benefits to owning both? Yes, you are right. It is portable, but that doesn't mean it's worth the 30-40$ I'd have to spend to get it. Especially when the system itself that it's coming out for is going to cost hundreds of dollars. That's money that I worked very hard for, and won't waste on something that I already basically have.

But seriously, Cremeens? You don't have to get so defensive over something as silly as video games. I wasn't trying to offend you, or anyone, but just simply expressing my views on the subject.

You don't have to get so defensive about my post either. I think you guys are bashing on the game when you in fact kno nothing about it. Bash, troll, same thing.

[Moonbread]

So? I mean, really, if you're playing a video game only because it's on a powerful console, then you're arguing a moot point. Last time I checked, people got video games because of how fun they were, not because of how "powerful" they were. I would rather have a 3DS over a Handheld Thing, or a Wii or 360 over a PS3, and not because I'm some fanboy, because I certainly play all the consoles and handhelds, but because I simply find Nintendo tends to be more fun (that, and them and Microsoft are affordable as well), that's all. If I cared about power so much, I'd never have gotten a Wii. As for remaking N64 games, why not? N64 games were fun. Still are. They're dealing with new technology, Furion. It's not necessarily bad to use N64 games as their guinea pigs to see where they can go with it. Ocarina of Time is a valid choice, merely because it's so widely popular, and that way, it'll get out there and they can see how well it really does work.

[ZebraStallion]

Bash, troll, same thing.

*Facepalm*

As for me, I'm probably not going to buy Ocarina of Time for the 3DS. I can always play it on my Nintendo 64 if I want to, and I don't really see any differences from the old one aside from the graphics.

[William]

I don't have much more to say about this, except that I will be getting it no matter how much you guys troll on it. That would be all.

Excuse me? Trolling, are you kidding? Obviously you didn't read our posts all the way through, or you wouldn't have stated your opinion as such. I really like OoT, and I still do. However, the game doesn't seem to have enough benefits to warrant a buy, especially when it costs so much money. Why would I spend money on a game I already own, if there are no benefits to owning both? Yes, you are right. It is portable, but that doesn't mean it's worth the 30-40$ I'd have to spend to get it. Especially when the system itself that it's coming out for is going to cost hundreds of dollars. That's money that I worked very hard for, and won't waste on something that I already basically have.

But seriously, Cremeens? You don't have to get so defensive over something as silly as video games. I wasn't trying to offend you, or anyone, but just simply expressing my views on the subject.

You don't have to get so defensive about my post either. I think you guys are bashing on the game when you in fact kno nothing about it. Bash, troll, same thing.

You are quite right, Cremeens. I know nothing about the game, and am simply trolling it for the sake of trolling. I am truly 100% sorry. I am a terrible person.

In other news, what exactly does this new 3DS do so differently then the DSi? Why would you want to pay that much money for just a few cheep little add-ons? Am I missing something, or is it really that expensive? And have they announced how much the games are going to cost on the 3DS? Around the same amount as DS games, or more?

[Chakaa]

Whaaat?! A Master Quest included?! Now I really can't wait for OoT3D. I had MQ for the GameCube, but I let one of my friends borrow it. I think I'm just gonna let him keep it now, I don't even care for the OoT controls on the GameCube, and I have multiple other copies so I'll probably never use the disk again.

I'm hoping the inclusion of the microphone will allow us to scream back at the Redeads. That'll show the bastards.

Epic Win.

Edited by FefeRawft, 08 March 2011 - 04:50 PM.

[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

I don't have much more to say about this, except that I will be getting it no matter how much you guys troll on it. That would be all.

Excuse me? Trolling, are you kidding? Obviously you didn't read our posts all the way through, or you wouldn't have stated your opinion as such. I really like OoT, and I still do. However, the game doesn't seem to have enough benefits to warrant a buy, especially when it costs so much money. Why would I spend money on a game I already own, if there are no benefits to owning both? Yes, you are right. It is portable, but that doesn't mean it's worth the 30-40$ I'd have to spend to get it. Especially when the system itself that it's coming out for is going to cost hundreds of dollars. That's money that I worked very hard for, and won't waste on something that I already basically have.

But seriously, Cremeens? You don't have to get so defensive over something as silly as video games. I wasn't trying to offend you, or anyone, but just simply expressing my views on the subject.

You don't have to get so defensive about my post either. I think you guys are bashing on the game when you in fact kno nothing about it. Bash, troll, same thing.

First off, I really really have to say that no, no one is "trolling" Ocarina of Time 3DS (never thought I would have to say that line. Seriously). I think the problem here Cremeens is that you seem to have a incorrect view of what trolling really is.

Wikipedia on trolling:

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.

As I'm sure you can understand, there has been no trolling when it comes to this topic.

We all have the right to put forth our opinions, and I really think we should all embrace that fact, rather than get up in arms because someone might disagree with your own feelings. If you're looking forward to the game, good for you! So am I However, neither you, nor I have any right to accuse someone of trolling because they don't agree with us. Bashing and trolling really isn't the same thing. In fact, what gave you that idea? o.O

Anyways, wanna mention this:

I think you guys are bashing on the game when you in fact kno nothing about it.

Now now, don't forget that the game has been out for many many years already. We already know everything the game has to offer, and Nintendo have already confirmed they won't be adding any new content, so in reality, yes, we do know quite a lot of things about the game

[The Satellite]

I'd like to point out nobody complained when Super Mario 64 was remade for the DS. Sure, it had better graphics than the original, but not near as good as a Gamecube's graphics. Nobody complained. And because a 3DS remake of OoT isn't going to be close to Wii graphics, people are complaining. Sense? I see none in this. Guys, power or not, it is a handheld system. That's pretty much a given that it won't be able to display graphic power as high as the modern consoles, that's always how it's been. GB couldn't match NES, GBC couldn't match SNES, GBA couldn't match N64/GCN, DS couldn't match GCN/Wii, etc. It's how it will continue to be.

Sum it up? Get over it. Video games are video games, and not all video games need graphics that are absolutely 100% perfect to be fun. In fact, a lot of the most fun games out there aren't top-notch and definitely aren't the most powerful, but unfortunately, I'm probably not gonna be able to make anyone drop the hardheaded belief that "Graphics Are God" when nobody complained about pixelated graphics back in the day. inb4 "It's a newer time," so what? Again, they're video games. Aren't they supposed to be unrealistic so that people can have fun?

In support of Robin, I would also like to say this: Everyone's entitled to an opinion. The whole world's not gonna share yours. Oh well. But that's what makes the world interesting: Differing standpoints. If we were all the same person we'd basically be robots, and that would be boring. But that's just me, folks. Let us all get back on track. And I'll start with this:

And have they announced how much the games are going to cost on the 3DS? Around the same amount as DS games, or more?

I heard they were going to be about $40

[Radien]

Nintendo is competing with Sony. Nintendo is no longer the company they were during the 90's. Their primary drive now is money. So Nintendo, you notice Sony has in development a new PSP. They took the DSi (Wasn't the DSi just released not too long ago?) and added some little gadgets. Now they praise it as a "ground breaking" technology advancement. So to further help them launch it, they require a game that will use the 3DS's functions. They look back to the N64, because that's all the 3DS's engine can hold...unlike Sony's PSP ability to carry on PS quality games. They use OoT. Slap some new textures, a new UI, and call it remastered. I have gone through many images of the new OoT, and I still see sharp, simple polygon objects. Nintendo has the capacity to go beyond this. They are just using a marketing technique to target the gullible. Even with master quest, you still have the basic game. I'll just go ahead and stick with the cell shaded mod of OoT and port it on Project64.

That would be true if you were comparing the DSi (which I didn't buy) to the original DS. But it's not true of the 3DS compared to the DSi.

The 3DS actually IS a new console. It was stupid that there were DSi-exclusive games (at least, a few). But the 3DS actually does make a significant jump in quality and capabilities. The DS Lite isn't capable of Gamecube-level graphics, after all, but the 3DS is.

The original DS was full of gimmicks, too. But they were optional, that's the important point. When it came right down to it, the system didn't let the gimmicks get in the way of good games. I loved the DS.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you think OoT 3D is just "an N64 game with new textures," you need to go back and replay the N64 version, because you are incorrect. The N64 isn't capable of anywhere near this graphical quality. Now, they may be trying to maintain gameplay consistency with the original, but why not? For many of us, it's our favorite game of all time. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And graphics are among the only things to fix here.

As for the 3DS, I will be buying it anyway. I'm not buying it just for OoT 3D. There is a long line of announced titles that I anticipate playing on it. And given the DS's track record, that's what I was hoping for and expecting.

Well, I'm getting the 3Ds and OoT no matter what you guys say because I'm staying loyal to Nintendo no matter what goes down.

There's no reason to have that kind of loyalty. It's a game company. If they started making or licensing only crappy games, why stay loyal?

Don't get me wrong; Nintendo has a great track record. But they had a lot of crappy games on the N64, so I wasn't loyal to them then. I only got an N64 used, years after it launched, and even then it was only to play Zelda.

Bash, troll, same thing.

No. No, they aren't. Trolling is angering someone intentionally. "Bashing" is just saying something negative about something. For instance, I could bash Adolf Hitler all I want, but it wouldn't be trolling unless I intentionally said it just to anger someone who likes Hitler.

Anyway. BACK ON TOPIC yes.

[Moosh]

You know what would be cool: if they implemented an OoT level editor into this game. And yes, I know that will never happen. Just saying.

[Fox]

In other news, what exactly does this new 3DS do so differently then the DSi? Why would you want to pay that much money for just a few cheep little add-ons? Am I missing something, or is it really that expensive?

The 3DS is a full upgrade to the DS. If you take out the cameras, gyroscopes, 3D, and other little tweaks, you still have something analogous to the transition from the NES to the SNES. Unlike the DS Lite and DSi, the 3DS isn't just a DS upgrade. It's a new system. If that's not enough for a new system, I'm not sure what is.

Now, the 3DS is clearly not going to compete with the NGP graphically. However, the DS didn't compete with the PSP graphically either. Both Sony and Nintendo are making their own respective jumps upward in this regard.

Whether the graphical capabilities and other new features are enough to warrant a purchase from you is another matter. But the 3DS is still a significantly different system.

I don't plan to buy one at launch. But when enough games I want come out, I may end up picking one up.

Again, they're video games. Aren't they supposed to be unrealistic so that people can have fun?

Quality of graphics is not the same thing as realistic graphics. You can have incredible graphics that require a powerful device that's not realistic, but instead surreal. Now, I play all kinds of games. Going against the grain a bit, the reason I play a game isn't always for fun. Often I play for a unique experience. For instance, there's a PC game called The Path. It's not exceptionally pretty - I'm not playing for the graphics. It's not very fun, either - in fact, the gameplay isn't all that great. But the combination of the gameplay, graphics, music, and general tone of the game add to more than the sum of its parts. I came away from that game feeling like I'd experienced something new, and a bit more profound than your average game.

Why bring this up? Graphics do contribute to the experience you get from a game. They help set the mood, and they invoke emotions in the player. This is possible with very crude graphics as well as with more demanding graphics. You can do things with crude graphics that just can't be done with high quality graphics. And you can do things with demanding graphics that you can't do with crude graphics. But with a device that has a higher graphical potential, you can do both. That's why I'll prefer potential for higher-quality graphics. Not every game needs them, or even should have them. But some games can give a deeper experience using more demanding graphics. Sure, graphics aren't everything. But they're still important.

Back to OoT: in a perfect world, I would rather see more detailed graphics for this game. I think it would suit OoT. But I also think what we're getting is a big enough jump to be acceptable. The game was enjoyable on the N64 - I think it holds up today.

Sorry for going off on a bit of a tangent. I just think it's a common misconception that graphics aren't important to the quality of a game.

[Nicholas Steel]

So... why was this pinned then unpinned? Why was it pinned in the first place? o_O (Same goes for the Skyward Sword thread). All it's done is make it harder to find the threads as they move around...

Edited by franpa, 10 March 2011 - 03:57 AM.

[Radien]

So... why was this pinned then unpinned? Why was it pinned in the first place? o_O (Same goes for the Skyward Sword thread). All it's done is make it harder to find the threads as they move around...

Was talking with a staffer about this...

Someone decided to pin it because Skyward Sword was pinned. But there are currently too many pinned threads and staff is trying to pare them down. So I'm sorry if you were confused, but you're not the only one who is wondering why SS is pinned.

Basically, PureZC is a little "pin-happy" and it's hard to decide what to unpin first. Staff has been discussing it since long before I went on vacation. It's no big secret; they're just trying to make the forums easier to navigate in the long run.