Everyone please calm down. Or if you already were calm, get calmer. Unless you were so calm, any calmer and you'd be dead, in which case, stay as calm as you were before.
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Point being, things are getting heated and... not quite off-topic, since it branched from an earlier conversation, but things are just going in circles at this point and nothing's going to end up anywhere. Both sides have their points and their faults; acknowledge these and move on. I'd hate to see this thread locked over petty reasons. And I apologize if I contributed to the downward spiral in any way.


