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[Koh]

None of those graphics are used anymore, but thanks for the feedback.  I'm redoing all the graphics to fit what I brought up a few pages ago...

 

My OCD is probably going to have me redo these once more, and I may just drop it to two settings in the end, because after trying to draw some things in Lo, there simply isn't enough room to get some of the detail I need, like his facial expressions changing on his mugshot.  You've a grand total of two pixels worth of room for the mouth; unless of course, I find something else works when I redraw.

Edited by Koh, 06 July 2014 - 10:01 PM.

[Demonlink]

Small edits of default DoR enemies. The bubbles are my edits while basing Shiek's mod of the keese were also slightly edited according to his. As for the gels, they are simply a recolor from Shiek's MZC alternative set. Finally, the like like from MC, I added it a black outline to see if it would be more "DoRish" and avoid style clashing. I still doubt a bit about the like like though

[anikom15]

None of those graphics are used anymore, but thanks for the feedback. I'm redoing all the graphics to fit what I brought up a few pages ago...


My OCD is probably going to have me redo these once more, and I may just drop it to two settings in the end, because after trying to draw some things in Lo, there simply isn't enough room to get some of the detail I need, like his facial expressions changing on his mugshot. You've a grand total of two pixels worth of room for the mouth; unless of course, I find something else works when I redraw.

I'm glad you're using a quarter-turn view as opposed to sideview. Acting 101.

[Koh]

I'm glad you're using a quarter-turn view as opposed to sideview. Acting 101.

Sooooooo....do you like it?  *beats head against wall*

 

Was bored, so I present to you...colors!  Colors, colors, colors.

 

Take the base color of the original color, and make more colorful colors for coloring.

Edited by Koh, 11 July 2014 - 10:47 PM.

[Haylee]

I don't mean to be rude, but the pure Black outline makes it look horrible. Everything else about it is fine.

[Shane]

I don't quite like the pure black outline myself. Also I'm not sure why Link looks sunburned, and his belt looks like a pixel mess. I can't say I'm a fan.

[Koh]

The original didn't have a pure black outline because there didn't exist third level shades.  Introduce those, and you'll see how they overstep the darkness of the original outline.  Restore the darkness level with the additional shades by adding more darkness.

 

Give only the entities such as characters and items the pure black outline, and non black colors on tiles, and you get the perfect amount of distinguishing Entities from Non-Entities.  Tiles less saturated (but still color shifted) versus more saturated entities also help.

 

And you end up with...an example I'll post later, after I apply the works to some tiles.

 

Also, I gave Link a lightsource, from the middle top left.  What you're seeing is all the shading falling to the bottom right.  Everything should have a consisent lightsource.

Edited by Koh, 12 July 2014 - 05:42 AM.

[Shane]

I think there are more ways to sprite something distinguishable. Softer black outlines can work on sprites, and sharp black outlines can work for environmental tiles. It depends on the style I guess. But there are people who will express how they will feel about such styles. Keeping a style is fine, so long as you don't try to dismiss other styles as inferior.

 

(Edit: Re-added my post, the forum glitched on me and deleted my post while I was adding in my sprites. Apologies for that.)

 

Anyway,

Random overworld sprites. Please do not use.

Edited by Shane, 12 July 2014 - 06:18 AM.

[Koh]

I'm not dismissing them as wrong; I'm just working to show you what I mean visually~  Softer outlines are fine, if done well.  A personal pet peeve of mine, however, is the anti-aliasing that destroys the outline; it feels super inconsistent to me, and I absolutely loathe it.  Why have part of an outline?  The outline defines the edge of a sprite, and to totally distrupt the flow of it irritates me.

Edited by Koh, 12 July 2014 - 06:12 AM.

[Shane]

It's one of the reasons why I love Gameboy Zelda graphics. Most of their graphics are simple, readable and pleasant to look at. I wish more games would go for that style.

[Koh]

I didn't want to spend too much time on the cliffs, but you get the idea.

 

[Astromeow]

I didn't want to spend too much time on the cliffs, but you get the idea.

 

 

I love it. It looks like your style, but a DoR and new age LttP. Kudos on pink hair.

 

 

Environment

[Koh]

The coloring and such looks very good there!  Is that all still using the colors available on the NES palate, or did you drop that?

[NoeL]

I'm not dismissing them as wrong; I'm just working to show you what I mean visually~  Softer outlines are fine, if done well.  A personal pet peeve of mine, however, is the anti-aliasing that destroys the outline; it feels super inconsistent to me, and I absolutely loathe it.  Why have part of an outline?  The outline defines the edge of a sprite, and to totally distrupt the flow of it irritates me.

There are different ways to AA outlines - some good, some bad. "Selective outlining", which is basically AAing into the background, is bad. Here's an old piece by me before I knew what I was doing. Note how the outline looks ok on light backgrounds, but totally falls apart on dark backgrounds:


You can, however AA an outline if you only do so on the inside, and or change the tone of the outline in line with the light source (e.g. with a top-left light source you can make top-left outlines brighter):

[Astromeow]

The coloring and such looks very good there!  Is that all still using the colors available on the NES palate, or did you drop that?

 

It uses that NES palette. Thanks for diggin' it!