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[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

Koh, these are all issues with the internet in general. You complaining about this is like someone complaining about how a car won't last forever. Nobody ever told you it would, I don't know why you'd expect it to.

 

To me, this sounds like a nice feature that you can choose to use if you feel like you need it.

[DCEnygma]

I always look at both sides of the coin before hopping on a bandwagon if I'm interested.  This doesn't sound like a bad idea in hindsight, but there are many things to consider that make me rather just stick with the traditional way of trading Pokemon.

 

I didn't see any indication you couldn't still do traditional trades using Wi-Fi/ADHOC connections. The Bank seems completely separate.

 

-The eventual termination or cleansing of the servers.  It's going to happen eventually.  Maybe there will be enough time for people to migrate their things over to the next generation servers or what not.  Who knows at this point in time?  All I know is, if it's too good to be true, then it more than likely is.

 

Pokemon games usually retain their popularity throughout the entire lifespan of a handheld and beyond. I would say it's highly unlikely that Nintendo would want the bad press associated with shutting down one of their biggest games' servers prematurely. Will it be shut down in 5 years? Possibly, but that's 5 years and up to 5 new games later. Plus, this sure seems more like its laying the groundwork for a universal system that could be used to transfer Pokemon between future games as well. If that's the case, this is utterly brilliant and will have a lot of mass appeal. You can send things from game to game without having to have 2 systems to trade to yourself.

 

-Potential rise in the annual fee.  Right now, to most people, it's throwaway money, but it's not the case for everyone, especially kids who have strict parents.  In addition, not everyone is willing to spend money on something trivial for a game, similar to DLC or Microtransactions.  There is to be a free trial, but then that's it.

 

Isn't it $5 a year? No matter how strict one's parents are, that could be saved up by collecting change throughout a year. Again, I don't think Nintendo would want the bad press associated with raising it, either.

 

-Server Hacks.  Sure, it's Nintendo, they're going to have security.  But Sony, though.  If Sony, then Nintendo has the same possibility of happening too.

 

This is always a risk, but your main data would still be on your system, so a majority of what you're doing wouldn't be affected.

 

-Connection Issues.  Not everyone has perfect internet or Fios.  So we've got lag issues and disconnection issues commonplace with cheap internet users.  What happens if that defects the upload process to the server?  Are they just going tp lose the Pokemon that didn't transfer completely?  Are they going to unintentionally upload a Missing No?  Who knows.

 

Unlikely. If it's anything like most databases, it will image your current box before making changes. Then, when you finalize the changes, it sends the signal to the server. Nothing is saved until this point. So, if there's a connection interruption, the box would revert to it's previous state. Worst case scenario stuff does get damaged, you could probably contact Nintendo and request them to restore the box to a previous state. I'm going based on how MMOs often work and how other online databases work here, but I'd be shocked if this isn't how the service would operate.

 

I could go on, but these are the major, eye catching things I foresee at the moment.

 

I responded in the bold statements. Again, this is completely optional it seems, so I don't see any part of this that could be considered a downside.

[Koh]

You complaining about this is like someone complaining about how a car won't last forever. Nobody ever told you it would, I don't know why you'd expect it to.

 

 

Who's complaining?  I'm just being a lot more cautious than most others.  I don't bandwagon instantly unless I don't see any potential problems that'd make me second guess jumping on the bandwagon.  Right now, it sounds like something that'd start out bumpy, smooth over, and then run into problems later.  Besides, one once spoke the wise words of "If you keep your expectations low, you won't be disappointed when your expectations aren't met."  These are problematic expectations, so if they aren't met...that's a good thing XP.

[Eddard McHorn Van-Schnuder]

Who's complaining?  I'm just being a lot more cautious than most others.  I don't bandwagon instantly unless I don't see any potential problems that'd make me second guess jumping on the bandwagon.  Right now, it sounds like something that'd start out bumpy, smooth over, and then run into problems later.  Besides, one once spoke the wise words of "If you keep your expectations low, you won't be disappointed when your expectations aren't met."  These are problematic expectations, so if they aren't met...that's a good thing XP.

What bandwagon? That's the thing. You're making this sound like it's this huge deal, but... you know, it's just a feature in a game. I don't see any bandwagons around here. What is there to be cautious about? That something might go wrong? Sure, that is a possibility, but isn't it always?

 

Managing your expectations is one thing, but you're just criticizing Nintendo for trying something new. Which is silly, because there are lots of valid criticisms one can make about Nintendo, but this isn't one. Yet you're calling it, and I quote; "(a) Pretty shit move". 

[The Satellite]

I suddenly had a sudden obsession over Blastoise and this gets announced. It's pretty cool overall. Venusaur and Blastoise and probably the best out of the Kanto starters. Charizard on the other hand is unbelievably overrated.

Meh, everyone has their favorites, and Charizard's one of mine. Just because you think he's overrated doesn't mean that he is. Honestly I don't think he's any more "popular" than the other original starters, and some prefer his lower forms anyway, so there you go.

[HylianGlaceon]

In the RBY era I believe Charizard was the most popular, but dunno now. I know people used to obsess over the Charizard trading cards a lot more than any of the others too.

 

I suppose the real question is what won't be getting a Mega Evolution at this rate. Is there like a Mega Sylveon around the corner?

[Koh]

 Just because you think he's overrated doesn't mean that he is

Actually, I think it's pretty well known Charizard is one of the most overrated starters XD.  If people aren't talking Charizard, they're talking Typhlosion, Blaziken and Empoleon.

Edited by Koh, 04 September 2013 - 04:56 PM.

[Moon]

Actually, I think it's pretty well known Charizard is one of the most overrated starters XD.  If people aren't talking Charizard, they're talking Typhlosion, Blaziken and Empoleon.

I'm pretty sure what you're saying is more opinion over fact.

 

Being a competitive player of the series, I can say that they are certainly not overrated.

[Dawnlight]

I just didn't like Charizard's base HP along with his poor defenses and was more Sp. atk focused than normal atk.

Edited by Dawnlight, 04 September 2013 - 05:48 PM.

[Moon]

I just didn't like Charizard's base HP along with his poor defenses and was more Sp. atk focused than normal atk.

If Charizard just had a strong flying move, and maybe a move like Quiver Dance, he'd be a very threatening Pokemon

[Orithan]

And who would let Charizard set up? Poor defenses and defensive type makes it far to easy to take down before it could do any real damage. Even when it has set up, it pretty much requires Solar Power to do serious damage which drains its HP.
Volcarona would also outclass Charizard as a QD sweeper anyway because it has higher stats everywhere except Attack and Defense, which it won't be using anyway. Not to mention that Volcarona can be almost as deadly under rain as it is under sun. Charizard's only niche over Volcarona would be having Solar Power.

[Moon]

And who would let Charizard set up? Poor defenses and defensive type makes it far to easy to take down before it could do any real damage. Even when it has set up, it pretty much requires Solar Power to do serious damage which drains its HP.
Volcarona would also outclass Charizard as a QD sweeper anyway because it has higher stats everywhere except Attack and Defense, which it won't be using anyway. Not to mention that Volcarona can be almost as deadly under rain as it is under sun. Charizard's only niche over Volcarona would be having Solar Power.

Are you forgetting that the Mega Evolutions will most likely have different stats/abilities/typing? It's already been announced that Mega Charizard will have Drought, and I wouldn't be surprised if it gained better stats and maybe a Dragon typing.

[Shane]

If any Pokemon is overrated it's Pikachu.

 

But who cares? We all have our favorites and mine is Charizard, obviously. I still find the Mega Evolution concept a hit or miss, but at the moment, I don't really think it's that needed. But it's good to see some older Pokemon getting attention (rather than just a new generation (I did comment on how questionable the new generation looks, right?)).

[Koh]

I'm pretty sure what you're saying is more opinion over fact.

 

Being a competitive player of the series, I can say that they are certainly not overrated.

This doesn't disprove Charizard being overrated.  If you're going to talk stats, there are better Pokemon out there statwise, that aren't banned, than Charizard.  But some aren't considered overrated.  

[Shane]

Being overrated doesn't prove Charizard is bad, for that matter and what you find is overrated can be a matter of belief to an extent, not fact. Just saying.

 

This would apply to many things, Ocarina of Time, Oppa Gangam Style, Justin Bieber...

_{^{I was kidding about the last.}}

Edited by Shane, 05 September 2013 - 05:38 AM.