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[Binx]

Ooh, antiforce, I like that.

[Shane]

Knowing Nintendo though, they'll most likely will just call it either "Other Triforce" "Dark Triforce" "Shadow Triforce" or "Anti Triforce" or even the "Triforce's Shadow" since it kinda looks like it is. But I'd love to see them call it the Antiforce.

[Binx]

I'm still banking on Shadowforce. It's bland, completely unimaginative, and exactly what I'm calling mine, which means it's perfect for Nintendo (i.e. stupid).

[Nicholas Steel]

Oh, there are a few major plot-holes in Hyrule Historia's timeline, not to mention the arguable non-canon status of 6 (soon to be 7) of the games, since you can't actually get any kind of bad ending in OoT. That being said, as of right now, it's the official Nintendo timeline.

 

Die at any point in the game, hilariously if you die before reaching Deku Tree for the first time. Sure there isn't a fancy cutscene or anything fancy, but that's definitely a pretty bad ending.

[Shane]

Actually I thought the downfall timeline split only occurs when Link is defeated by Ganon?

[Binx]

Yes, and no. It's still... The adult and child timelines make sense because they BOTH happen at the same time, due to Link being sent back in time at the end of OoT. But the "decline" era CAN'T happen simultaneously with the adult and child timelines because it REQUIRES that Link dies, specifically AT GANON'S HAND DURING THE FINAL BATTLE. That makes it the video game equivalent of an "Elseworlds" or "What If" scenario. Which is basically, non-canon. They REALLY should have done SOMETHING to make a second split within a SEPARATE game, that way they could have three timelines that logically COULD be simultaneous.

Edited by Lineas, 17 August 2013 - 11:47 PM.

[Shane]

So like, Link didn't decide to go to Termina, Ganon escapes punishment? Yeah, in TP it confirms that Link and Zelda found some way to expose Ganon's intent. Didn't he kill the king and several soldiers anyway?

Edited by Shane, 18 August 2013 - 12:01 AM.

[Binx]

If Link is  killed in the final battle, he can't go back in time and tell Zelda about Ganondorf's plans, which is what caused the Triforce of Courage to pre-emptively choose Link in the child timeline, so Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess couldn't happen. And well, the adult timeline would become the decline timeline. It's the difference between a split timeline and an alternate universe, one can exist alongside the others, and the other is instead of the others. But, if an adult timeline Ganon somehow went back in time and killed OoT Link, I suppose the resulting paradox would cause the timeline to become part of the split, instead of an alternate reality. But then you'd need an explanation as to why there is only one Ganon afterwards, I mean, Link could always kill one Ganon, but you'd have to explain why he didn't kill the other.

 

EDIT: Also, Ganondorf, in the child timeline, didn't make any moves of attack until after he was exposed, which is after Majora's Mask (Link was sent on his journey to prevent Ganondorf from getting his hands on the Ocarina of Time and Spiritual Stones) and yeah, he killed the Ancient Sage of Water when they were trying to execute him (which they couldn't, because he had the Triforce of Power... for some reason that's never explained. I mean, it is never explained, at all, why the Triforce split when, in the child timeline, the Door of Time is never opened, but apparently, it did, and Ganondorf got the Triforce of Power, for some reason. I guess they said that the act of telling Zelda about the plot is what caused the Triforce of Courage to choose Link, but they don't explain why Ganon got a piece, when previously, he only got said piece when he TOUCHED the Triforce. I suppose it could be marked as proof that he was, in fact, DESTINED for it, just like Link and Zelda, but that would contradict the comments that it was originally meant for Impa, but it went to Ganondorf because that's what he desired most. And it makes the plot of half the games, where Ganondorf has to STEAL the Triforce of Power, a bit pointless, because, if he's destined for it, it should just go to him, like it did in the backstory to TP)

Edited by Lineas, 18 August 2013 - 12:22 AM.

[Shane]

I think the child timeline pretty much covers up to everything until Link draws the master sword. Then Link comes back from the future and puts the Master Sword away. Ganondorf would still be around at this time so...

[Binx]

No, they've specifically said that Link was sent back to before he ever spoke to Zelda the first time. He tells her about her dream and the things he did, which she believes, since he knows about a dream she never told anyone about.

[Shane]

Oh? So like, now that Link now knows grabbing the Master Sword is the wrong move, he hides Ganondorf the keys to the Triforce? I thought Navi left him and in MM the intro explains he was looking for her.

Edited by Shane, 18 August 2013 - 01:28 AM.

[Binx]

Well, yeah, he does. Because going on a quest to search for Navi would take him out of Hyrule, and out of Ganondorf's reach.

[Shane]

Actually he was in the Lost Woods, he unintentionally went to Termina.

[Binx]

Going to TERMINA was unintentional, but he WAS leaving Hyrule. And he wasn't in the Lost Woods, it was described as a "mysterious forest". The Lost Woods wouldn't be "mysterious" to someone like Link.

[The Satellite]

I have my own thoughts on the third split but I'm leaving those alone. Instead I can't believe I didn't think about it until now, but since the method of traveling between worlds is confirmed, what does this mean for the Magic Mirror? Not included, or a late-game item for handy quick traveling? That's something I wonder now, I suppose it may not end up being too big an issue but I'll miss the mirror if it doesn't return. Abusing it for warp locations was fun.