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[Jamian]

Zcfan: well done

Luigi: yes,

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She's like the potion lady in Zelda 1. If you show her the letter (or rather the empty jar, in this case) she'll offer to sell potions

[vravelo]

Mostly"" I make to level 9 and take a look around , but never kill ganon or finish the quest
Its been like that always -- even so.. this quest deserve the maximum possible rate
I should say 5***** star or more
jamian you are genius " the make of the quest.. I'm pretty sure it took part of your brain
thanks for such wonderful quest ---- just on the watch for ur next release
PS..(knowing most location already ... I'm starting a new game)

[Umbra]

Hi Jamian! Loving the game so far! Thought you should know how great it is. I really can't complain about much... The gameplay's great, very few bugs (Only found one so far- In either Lynna Forest, in certain areas you can go behind some trees, and some trees are positioned between screens in positions where you can exit from the screen above, but on entering the screen, get stuck in one of the trees. I know one of them is the entrance room and the room right above it with both forests. There may be others in the present forest.), and great music... But if I had to gripe, I'd say that the music for boss battles gets to be a bit grating after the first 50 times or so. In other words, there should probably be more than one boss battle music score. Perhaps you could keep the current one for the bosses in the levels where the reward's an item, as those are more mini-bosses and they go down fast, switch the battle music of most of the Triforce guardians to something longer and more (I dunno, epic? thrilling? Something like that, anyway...), and switch the one for level 3's boss to something really fast paced and terrifying, due to the whole nature of that boss.

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No offense meant by this upcoming stuff -> C'mon, seriously! It's not only a freaking DEATH KNIGHT, but it's a completely invincible one as well!!! Seriously, that boss especially needs a much better track. Even if you change nothing else, change the track of that boss to a music track that gives people nightmares. That needs to seriously SCREAM "Here comes the Death Knight! You're doomed!!!", OK? (Also, when he falls in the lava, I think the next room should be empty of enemies, but filled with pots, and the room where he corners you and Link somehow destroys him should also be changed to have a lava pool in it and no Triforce switch- instead when you enter the room he should emerge from the lava as the skeleton, but now be unarmored. He'd still be invincible though- if Link kills him the old fashioned way, he would just collapse into a bone pile like a Stalfos Knight, and the bone pile WOULD be invincible. Instead, Link would have to knock him into the bone pile. While he's in the bone pile, the Triforce switch would appear. Then you step on it before he pulls himself together. My reasoning for this concept is that the reason IronKnuckle is invincible is because he himself is using the power of the Triforce shard to protect himself. Falling into the lava weakens him enough for your sword to be able to daze him- when he's dazed and unable to focus on maintaining his barrier, you would smite him with the power of YOUR Triforce fragments, symbolized by the Triforce switch.Make of my suggestions what you will.)

Tbh, though, I don't need any specific help right now. But I do have a request to ask, if it isn't too much trouble. I like finding things out on my own, but I also don't like wasting time looking for things when I already have everything I can get at that point... So, if you could, do you think you could type up a listing of the best (or most, with certain things) gear and upgrades a person can have before entering each Triforce dungeon? That would help me out, as I could really use a standard to compare myself to. Thanks in advance for reading and considering it.

(I also have another thing I'd like to ask, but given it's length and the very low likelyhood of it's happening for reasons mentioned in it, I'm putting this in a spoiler section.)

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I'd also like a bestiary of the enemies you put in, as well, so I don't have to give the enemies names like "Gleeok Zombie-Man-Thing" or "Big Huge Worm", and actually call them what they are. But I'm not asking for it, because 1. You probably would refuse, 2. It'd have to have details and enemy stats to actually be a bestiary, and people would complain if you put that stuff in, and 3. if you made one with just the picture and the name, I'd feel even more unsatisfied because I'd want descriptions and stuff to see what you were thinking when you made it. (For instance, when you used Polymerization to fuse a Red Octorok [Atk-16 HP-2 Threat- Minimal Description-A weak Zelda foe, that comes in many varieties, this being the weakest of them all. This breed can spit rocks at distant foes to inflict damage, but they are easily blocked. Avoid direct contact as well, as it can use a ramming attack.] and a Four-Headed Gleeok [Atk-??? HP-??? Threat-Very High Description- The strongest of the original bosses, this beast fires vicious bolts of fire at its foes. Gleeoks are hydra dragons, capable of having anywhere from 1 to 4 heads. All of the heads must be severed to kill the beast. Gleeoks gain in strength as they lose heads, as heads that have been severed will attack the foe the wounded Gleeok fights, chasing it and firing will-o-wisps of great strength.] into an Octo-Gleeok [Atk-??? HP-??? Threat-??? Description-A monstrous creature formed when a parasite from Octorok Swamp reanimates a fallen Gleeok, this vicious creature is the ruler of the swamp. It cannot use the Gleeok's ability to breathe fire anymore, but instead defends itself with vicious swings of it's mutated heads. The parasite did however absorb the power to have heads severed in battle tag-team it's foe, chasing it down just like an ordinary Gleeok would.].) I'd love to find out just how someone could think that up, but I doubt anyone else would be interested. Go ahead and do it though if you want to- I'd do it myself, but it's your game, and it's neither my place or right to name creatures another person created.

[Jamian]

Thanks vravelo


Hi Umbra, thanks

I could make a list like you're referring to but it's going to be a tad spoiler heavy for my tastes... so I'd prefer to answer specifics.

Good point on the boss battle theme and the other suggestion - I'm keeping it in mind for upcoming updates.

As for the bestiary, it sure would be fun, but also hugely massive, considering the amount of enemies... so it's unlikely to happen.

[Umbra]

Wow... Fast reply. I've never gotten a reply that fast. Ty.

Thanks for considering the suggestions I made, especially in relation to the boss of L3. It did just seem kinda, I dunno, anticlimactic, the way it was.

Speaking of bosses...

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Since you should have the boomerang by the time you reach the past, let alone L1, you'd think that maybe some of the earlier sub-bosses and the L1 boss could be a bit trickier... Maybe the Octo-Gleeok could shoot projectiles like a normal Gleeok- except, true to the dungeon's theme, all it can spit are aimed rocks that bounce off a shield! Or the Burning Keese could only be vulnerable while the lights are on? And for the Rainbow Chuchu, especially since you have a Boomerang, the Gel-sized fragments could slowly regenerate up to the blue Zol stage. Also, the L2 boss, King Aquamentus, while appropriate for the level, is a bit easy. It can easily be beaten by standing on a certain spot each time and slashing away. Perhaps you could add a 3'rd phase to the fight where he summons a copy on the other side to flank you. That would force the player to abandon the wait-n-slash strategy and put them on the defensive-which might make them consider that the Feather has defensive potential as well as mobility, and think to use it to dodge the fireballs from the rear attacker, which would implement Roc's Feather as necessary for more than just moving during the fight, as well as toughening up a boss that's chronically underestimated by players. Ehh... Just some more thoughts for you.

Edit 1- Thought of a few things about some bosses that bug me...#1-The Dark Grimiore boss at the end of the Ancient Library is just a giant Blue Wizzrobe that is only vulnerable to fire. While the boss fits the theme of the level, obviously, it isn't really that difficult if you fight it like you would a Blue Wizzrobe... Why not set a Wizzrobe Summoner in the room like you do in other boss battles, and have him summon other books to aid the big one? #2- The L4 boss, King Moblin,has a phase where he doesn't do anything new except change color. Also, he never goes to a phase where he uses the multi-arrow gatling attack some of the others do. If that was intended, OK then. But if you want to make the battle more interesting, you could try adding a phase where he does the arrow gatling between Cardinal Shot attack phase (The 8-way arrow attack) and the phase where he rushes you while firing arrows constantly, and alter the phase where he turns red to having him turn invulnerable to anything but arrows and have him constantly summon Moblin reinforcements? Also, you could throw in a phase to separate each new attack he does- a round where he summons a single wave of Moblin reinforcements (Which should PROBABLY scale in number of enemies and difficulty of each) while he turns invincible and sits in the center of the arena. And lastly... Why is it possible to leave the boss room here, when everywhere else you can't? The entrance to the area should be a warp, with no way out from the boss room. An exit warp would be in the Triforce room instead. #3- L5's boss is a giant sandworm, right? Then why does he only summon Leevers? Wouldn't it make more sense to summon Lanmolas and Moldorms too? We already fought both in other dungeons...

You always could write up the list in a notepad or word document and have it available for download with the game. It would have spoilers, of course, but you could easily put that in the document's title... and compared to what some other top-tier quests do, it's really rather spoiler free. (I know that Zelda's Butt contains a full, albeit summarized, walk-through telling you where to go to find each level, and I know a lot of other quests have an item list telling you what you get in each dungeon.) Considering the list I meant wasn't really talking about items from dungeons, but rather just telling you how many HCPs or MCs (emphasis on the magic) are possible to get before entering such and such a place without telling you any sort of information other than that, I think you could make a checklist with virtually no spoilers.

The bestiary would be fun, and I would do it myself, if I didn't think it'd be wrong to name and describe creatures that were'nt my original idea. Doesn't mean I don't do it with myself, as you saw in my last post. (By the way, how did you like the describtion of the Octo-Gleeok? ) I could always whip one up and send it your way, but I'd need permission, and even with it it might take a while, as I still need to play the game too!

Again, thanks for taking my ideas into consideration. I'm happy to offer them, and happier to see that they don't get brushed off. I just hope that they aren't a bit TOO evil in respect to playing difficulty...(or do I? ) Gl.

Edited by Umbra, 06 April 2013 - 03:48 PM.

[Jubbz]

Gonna go live in just a few minutes and play this quest.

Will I be able to complete the pyramid dungeon? Or will i ragequit? WE SHALL SEE.

Stream is in my sig. Hope to see ya there!

[Umbra]

I'd watch, but I haven't caught up yet- I've gotta watch a few more of your previous ones first. Good luck, try not to die, and when Jamian updates the game, make sure to try everything new.

[Jamian]

Hey Jubbz, I felt your pain against Ganon Explore level 9 some more to find a better tunic.

Also, if you update the quest file, Ganon's magic causes a bit less damage. The best tunic is still heavily recommended.

Edited by Jamian, 07 April 2013 - 01:32 PM.

[OzzieAstaroth]

Hey there! Been playing this awesome quest, and I've got just about everything, except for the Hylian book. Where do I get it? I have the Yoshi doll in the trading sequence, but can't find anyone that wants it. Is that the last one? If not, I need to know where to take it and then where to find the book. I'm guessing it should be gotten before the fire and ice dungeon since there is a Hylian glyph there I can't read without it, and the lens reveals two glowing panels behind a statue on the fire side that I can't seem to do anything with.

Edited by OzzieAstaroth, 07 April 2013 - 03:37 AM.

[Jamian]

Swim around the overworld and you will find someone who wants the Yoshi (it'll be obvious when you see it).

[andnay]

But what about the 2 spots behind the dragon statue?
Im missing the golden arrow for the pyramid and ganons palace, and im running out of ideas.
Im guessing its got something to do withthe guy who wants his bones, but i cant find those either...

[Jamian]

These two spots indicate there's something hidden behind the statue (a key).

For the ghost who wants his bones, complete a trade sequence in Lynna in the present (there are a few items to exchange).

The golden arrow is in

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Uematsu Village

[Umbra]

Hmm... I'm thinking I missed a few magic containers, or maybe the X2 upgrade, because that wand drains my magic in 3-4 shots. How much magic should you have before level 6 anyway? (Speaking of level 6, what ARE those rabbit things there? Nothing seems to hurt them... I'm gonna have to check Jubbs' videos to see what he did there, because I'm stuck there.)

[Jamian]

Are you using the latest quest file (it makes beating them a bit easier to figure out)? There are two specific things that can hurt the rabbit, but you have to use the environment.

I believe there's only one magic container you can get before entering level 6. You have to be careful with wand usage until you get more.

[Umbra]

You're serious that that's the only one that I could have gotten? Then that's scary...
The latest quest file is which one exactly? Is it the one on the database, or the ones here? I downloaded it from the database, and thought it up to date, so if it isn't, then...

Oh, and any comments on the other ideas I left the other day? Just out of curiosity, as I get curious when the replies after it contain no mention of them... Makes me think I might have done something wrong. I'd rather know what someone thinks about them whether bad or good, than get no response... Because then I start to worry myself to pieces...