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[Fabbrizio]

Don't worry people, it will always exist somewhere on the internet. That being said, Hasbro is responsible for taking them down; therefore also to blame (the two words are roughly synonymous, despite having separate connotations), and fault is nothing but a matter of perspective (it essentially means an imperfection). But really, it is still their legal right to take them down, despite how much I or any other person may dislike it.

Right. It may seem a tad unfair that they're providing such limited ways to access the episodes, and I'll admit, putting them on Netflix would be GREATLY to their advantage, but for right now I think if they don't want their property stolen, we should respect that.

(hey, you. yes you. you've been stealing these episodes and for a while Hasbro just sat back and let you do so. In the words of GLaDOS: "Under the circumstances, I've been shockingly nice")

[Geoffrey]

Right. It may seem a tad unfair that they're providing such limited ways to access the episodes, and I'll admit, putting them on Netflix would be GREATLY to their advantage, but for right now I think if they don't want their property stolen, we should respect that.

"Stealing: Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it."
Be definition, duplication is not stealing - especially since the duplicated copies have been bought, not taken.

Perhaps when the episodes come out on DVD I will purchase them, but I never buy anything that lacks a physical copy.

Edited by Ornlu, 05 January 2012 - 08:40 PM.

[Fabbrizio]

"Stealing: Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it."
Be definition, duplication is not stealing - especially since the duplicated copies have been bought, not taken.

Perhaps when the episodes come out on DVD I will purchase them, but I never buy anything that lacks a physical copy.

The duplicated copies were ripped from TV. That's *hardly* purchasing.

[Geoffrey]

The duplicated copies were ripped from TV. That's *hardly* purchasing.

I was unaware of that. But in this case, I cannot argue. I suppose I should have realized that, since they are only coming out on DVD now.

Edited by Ornlu, 05 January 2012 - 08:52 PM.

[Fabbrizio]

I was unaware of that. But in this case, I cannot argue; you have won. I suppose I should have realized that, since they are only coming out on DVD now.

I mean, you can still get the copyright-broken iTunes rips via *tropical storm* on the *sea bandit harbor*, but it's the YouTube streams that are ripped direct from TV, so...

[Geoffrey]

I mean, you can still get the copyright-broken iTunes rips via *tropical storm* on the *sea bandit harbor*, but it's the YouTube streams that are ripped direct from TV, so...

I suppose it is good that I enjoy sailing on the seven seas then.

[Moosh]

Has Hasbro actually LOST a single cent from bronies? If anything, I'd think they'd have made an even bigger profit from their new pirating pals. I mean in comparison to previous seasons, the fanbase has what, doubled?

Also aside from making terrible toys and owning MLP, does Hasbro actually DO anything? I'd think if anyone would be mad about their work being stolen it would be Lauren Faust and company. You know, the folks actually animating the show?

Edit: Also, ultimately nothing of value has been lost because there's no way–barring SOPA–that Hasbro can stop the internet hate love machine.

Edited by Pokemonmaster64, 05 January 2012 - 10:01 PM.

[Geoffrey]

Also aside from making terrible toys and owning MLP, does Hasbro actually DO anything? I'd think if anyone would be mad about their work being stolen it would be Lauren Faust and company. You know, the folks actually animating the show?

This. This is the major reason I do not buy CDs; giving a company the majority of the money rather than the musician is absolutely absurd. The only time I spent money on music was when a band started playing on the ferry and were selling their album (all the money went to them).

[Moosh]

This. This is the major reason I do not buy CDs; giving a company the majority of the money rather than the musician is absolutely absurd. The only time I spent money on music was when a band started playing on the ferry and were selling their album (all the money went to them).

Agreed. As far as I care, the ones who "own" MLP are the ones who are actually making the good stuff. If the corporate assholes honestly think we're going to "respect their intellectual property" (oh that's a riot) and bend to their will, they have another thing coming. WE HAVE THE POWEEEEEER!

Edited by Pokemonmaster64, 05 January 2012 - 10:07 PM.

[Geoffrey]

Agreed. As far as I care, the ones who "own" MLP are the ones who are actually making the good stuff. If the corporate assholes honestly think we're going to "respect their intellectual property" (oh that's a riot) and bend to their will, they have another thing coming. WE HAVE THE POWEEEEEER!

MLP:FiM would likely be not nearly as good if there were no backing company though, due to lack of funds. That being said, I still would never consider it to be anyone's intellectual property but the creators, that goes for everything.

Understand that Hasbro does maintain the legal rights to the franchise, and can therefore do what they will with it; if they desired, they could simply cancel the show (or the entire product line), and never allow its revival. So, although I dislike them (and would never be afraid to express it), I doubt I would blatantly slander them.

[Moosh]

MLP:FiM would likely be not nearly as good if there were no backing company though, due to lack of funds. That being said, I still would never consider it to be anyone's intellectual property but the creators, that goes for everything.

Understand that Hasbro does maintain the legal rights to the franchise, and can therefore do what they will with it; if they desired, they could simply cancel the show (or the entire product line), and never allow its revival. So, although I dislike them (and would never be afraid to express it), I doubt I would blatantly slander them.

The thing about Hasbro is that they will never cancel MLP until it stops being profitable. FiM is I assume at the moment being the most profitable season of MLP to date and so even if none of the brony community were to buy the DVDs and toys, their regular target audience of little girls will still be enough for them to want to keep it going for a couple more seasons. As for your claim that Hasbro's backing of the show is what makes it good, I beg to differ. I very much believe that when FiM finally kicks the bucket, fans could simply take over and make a near perfect replica, effectively giving Hasbro the finger.

Edited by Pokemonmaster64, 05 January 2012 - 10:36 PM.

[Geoffrey]

The thing about Hasbro is that they will never cancel MLP until it stops being profitable. FiM is I assume at the moment being the most profitable season of MLP to date and so even if none of the brony community were to buy the DVDs and toys, their regular target audience of little girls will still be enough for them to want to keep it going for a couple more seasons. As for your claim that Hasbro's backing of the show is what makes it good, I beg to differ. I very much believe that when FiM finally kicks the bucket, fans could simply take over and make a near perfect replica, effectively giving Hasbro the finger.

It is not specifically Hasbro's backing that makes it good, but it is the financial support that a backing company gives that allows for the greater quality of most any media. I would never think them to cancel the show as of yet, but they do have the ability - that is what I was trying to convey. Furthermore, even when the show is cancelled, Hasbro will still maintain the legal rights to the franchise, and would likely send C&D's to anyone attempting to replicate it. (They may not be Squenix, but such activity would not surprise me.)

[Moosh]

It is not specifically Hasbro's backing that makes it good, but it is the financial support that a backing company gives that allows for the greater quality of most any media. I would never think them to cancel the show as of yet, but they do have the ability - that is what I was trying to convey. Furthermore, even when the show is cancelled, Hasbro will still maintain the legal rights to the franchise, and would likely send C&D's to anyone attempting to replicate it. (They may not be Squenix, but such activity would not surprise me.)

See the thing is in order to send a C&D, you need to know who the people to mail it to are.

Also, what would this funding cover besides paying folks who would not normally want to animate/voiceact ponies to animate/voiceact ponies? I'm pretty sure FiM was made with Flash. All the software needed was probably owned by the animators to begin with. I mean when you do animation for a living, you probably own software to do it with.

Edited by Pokemonmaster64, 05 January 2012 - 10:55 PM.

[Geoffrey]

Also, what would this funding cover besides paying folks who would not normally want to animate/voiceact ponies to animate/voiceact ponies? I'm pretty sure FiM was made with Flash. All the software needed was probably owned by the animators to begin with. I mean when you do animation for a living, you probably own software to do it with.

Yes, but you need a regular income as well; if they were to be free of Hasbro, they would still require funding for the rest of life.

[Beefster]

I doubt they'd be having a problem if it weren't SO DANG EASY to block ads on Youtube.

/me just hopes it will be on Hulu. Sorry, non-Americans.

I still think there's a good chance they'll continue to let the newer episodes go around Youtube, or at least Hulu.

To be honest, I actually want to see the ads that were on The Hub. People should consider putting up versions with the commercials left in.