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[Russ]

Yeah, like TS said, he touched it once in OoT, and it split. So he gathered it up. He killed Link and Zelda (and then his entire army, for good measure), and rejoined the three pieces to get his wish. And that's how LttP happened.

 

Good point! Plot hole is a poor choice of words. But I feel this slight sensation that the entire split Triforce thing was an interesting idea, and probably just a concept used to explain why Ganon had the Triforce of Power in Zelda 1 and the cartoon (yes, sorry for bringing up the cartoon. Lol).

Except that's not why it was split there. It was split in OoT, and Ganon regained it some time before LttP. But then Link defeated him, and obtained the entire Triforce. It was passed down in the royal family, until, at some point, they decided not to keep it all together in case somebody were to take advantage of it. So they hid the Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace, passing down only Power and Wisdom from one ruler to the next. Ganon tried to get the Triforce from Zelda once, but failed (according to the Zelda II backstory and Hyrule Historia). So he tried again, building an army and stealing the Triforce of Power from the royal family. He made a grab at the Triforce of Wisdom too, but Zelda split it into 8 shards, leading into Zelda 1. So Ganon having Power in the first game is actually unrelated to the split that occurred when he tried to take the Triforce in OoT.

[The Satellite]

Not so sure he killed Zelda. Seven Sages sealed Ganon away regardless, and Zelda was the seventh, and the seven maidens in ALttP are descendants of Sages, so if Zelda was killed, well, that would be a plot hole. Besides, the material I see only says Link was defeated. Wind Waker proves Ganon didn't need to kill them to take their Triforce pieces, so he wouldn't have needed to kill Zelda.

 

Point being though, A Link Between Worlds is an upcoming game for the 3DS.

[Sheik]

The Triforce of Weakness, Cowardice, and Foolishness.

Probably the Triforce of Destruction, Despair and Sorrow. Such were the attributes introduced in Oracle of Seasons/Ages at least.

[TheLegend_njf]

Yeah, like TS said, he touched it once in OoT, and it split. So he gathered it up. He killed Link and Zelda (and then his entire army, for good measure), and rejoined the three pieces to get his wish. And that's how LttP happened.
 

Except that's not why it was split there. It was split in OoT, and Ganon regained it some time before LttP. But then Link defeated him, and obtained the entire Triforce. It was passed down in the royal family, until, at some point, they decided not to keep it all together in case somebody were to take advantage of it. So they hid the Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace, passing down only Power and Wisdom from one ruler to the next. Ganon tried to get the Triforce from Zelda once, but failed (according to the Zelda II backstory and Hyrule Historia). So he tried again, building an army and stealing the Triforce of Power from the royal family. He made a grab at the Triforce of Wisdom too, but Zelda split it into 8 shards, leading into Zelda 1. So Ganon having Power in the first game is actually unrelated to the split that occurred when he tried to take the Triforce in OoT.

Again is an example where I don't choose my words well. I don't mean it to say that the Triforce split is the exact reason why Ganon had the Triforce in Zelda 1. But I feel Nintendo attempted to explain the link between Ganon and the Triforce of Power in this way.

But I'll explain that in more detail tomorrow because tonight is not a good night.

[Avaro]

I don't get this about Link being defeated at the end of OoT. What's with Majoras Mask then?

[Shane]

There are three timeline splits after OoT:

 

Adult: where Link is sent back through time and Ganon rises again causing the Goddesses to flood Hyrule due to the lack of a hero. Starts WW.

 

Child: where Link goes on a personal journey to find a friend. Starts MM.

 

Downfall: where Link dies to Ganon. Starts aLttP.

Edited by Shane, 17 August 2013 - 09:20 AM.

[TheLegend_njf]

I may be wrong, but ain't the supposed canon of HH been found flawed with plot holes making it an impossible canon? I thought I heard somewhere that while this is the closest timeline to being canon, there will be slight modifications and adjustments in the future.

I dunno, maybe somebody got more information on this.

[Avaro]

Oh I forgot that there is a time line split. So A Link Between World takes place in a timeline where Link died to Ganon at the end of OoT. Hopefully there will be lots of new information of story in this game. I'm rather curious to see more of the sheikah's story. As someone else said before in this thread, Nintendo often comes up with new tribes in each game but they really don't care about the more interesting tribes so much.

[Binx]

Oh, there are a few major plot-holes in Hyrule Historia's timeline, not to mention the arguable non-canon status of 6 (soon to be 7) of the games, since you can't actually get any kind of bad ending in OoT. That being said, as of right now, it's the official Nintendo timeline. And yeah, there will likely be changes here and there, but I think, at least in relation to each other, that the current timeline will stand, with additional games being made to fill in the gaps and plotholes.

 

EDIT: Somehow I doubt any game that takes place after OoT is going to have TOO much insight into the backstory of the Sheikah, considering as of OoT, Impa is supposed to be the last of them (although how it's possible that all the other Impas are also Shiekah if that's true, I have no idea). I think we'll get a game set in between MC and OoT that details that. Maybe the new Wii U Zelda..

Edited by Lineas, 17 August 2013 - 08:31 PM.

[strike]

Zelda lore can be so obnoxious. When the in depth backstory is getting in the way of the overall arch, we've got a problem.

I was initially upset about the Hyrule Hystoria as the third timeline is like "Seriously? After you swore there were two?" , but I've gotten over it.

My Timeline befor the official was released:

SS- MC-FS-OOT

CHILD: MM- TP- ALTTP- OOA/OOS- LA- (And now ALBW)- FSA

ADULT: WW- PH- ST- LOZ- AOL

I think that was it. It has very few flaws; was it really neccesary to make a third branch?

As for more relevant material, I'm looking forward to the game. It looks genuinely different which is fantastic. Honestly though, I'm way more excited about Zelda Wii U. I sense that it really will revolutionize Zelda. Havong read interviews with the director, he simply seems fed up and tired of doing the same old thing. He's ready to change up some things which is great; the franchise needs some new blood.

-Strike

[Binx]

I knew the third timeline was going to be there. There are too many things in ALttP and on that just didn't fit into either the child or adult timeline. My theory had been that there was a second split in the adult timeline. Ganon breaks out of the Sacred Realm, there's a war in Link's absence, and if Ganon wins, the Gods flood Hyrule, if he loses, it goes on to ALttP (so, ALttP and WW would happen at approximately the same time) Mind you, I've had this theory since before Twilight Princess was released. But, oh well.

 

As far as your timeline goes, it had already been explicitly stated that ALttP is a prequel to LoZ, so they HAVE to be in the same timeline, and he already had his Trident in that game, so it couldn't be before FSA. otherwise I could see how yours would work.

 

I'm not looking forward to Zelda Wii U, honestly, I'm willing to put money they're going to stick with the motion controls and completely ignore their left-handed gamers, again. 

[Russ]

As far as your timeline goes, it had already been explicitly stated that ALttP is a prequel to LoZ, so they HAVE to be in the same timeline, and he already had his Trident in that game, so it couldn't be before FSA. otherwise I could see how yours would work.

I don't see why everybody assumed FSA had to be before LttP. There are different timelines, different Ganons. I'm pretty sure it was really strongly hinted at (and HH confirmed) that the Ganon in FSA was a new Ganon, whereas LttP Ganon was all but confirmed to be the same as in OoT, so LttP Ganon getting his trident in FSA didn't make any sense. I think, at least.

 

Also I may or may not have mixed up an acronym. Fixed.

[Shane]

Also this has got to be a meme:

 

SAYS THERE IS NO FOURTH TRIFORCE PIECE

 

ADDS A SECOND TRIFORCE

 

Also, Nintendo is most likely ditching WM+. Also why they'll use the Wii mote instead of the tablet is beyond me, so I don't know why people would assume they would bring such a gimmick back. They even said they didn't want to use it because fans didn't complete SS because of it.

 

WM+ worked for me better when the mote was on my left hand.

Edited by Shane, 17 August 2013 - 11:02 PM.

[Binx]

xD Well, they were right. The second triforce is a separate entity (and they'll probably give it some lame name like "shadowforce" or something. I know that's what I did when I had a dark triforce in the Zelda RP I ran.... and in the quest I'm working on, currently).

Edited by Lineas, 17 August 2013 - 10:58 PM.

[Shane]

Antiforce, anyone?